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Re: Cleveland: Flats East Bank
« Reply #6360 on: September 13, 2017, 08:45:02 PM »
Heads up, just heard that Happy Dog will be opening next to Dante's.

THIRSTY Dog is supposed to open next to Dante but close :)

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« Reply #6361 on: September 13, 2017, 09:27:42 PM »
Heads up, just heard that Happy Dog will be opening next to Dante's.

THIRSTY Dog is supposed to open next to Dante but close :)

Supporting PoshSteve on this: This week's Crain's piece on the Dante's Inferno pizza opening (which I just checked again) does, indeed, refer to the coming, adjacent tenant as "HAPPY Dog" though I can only assume they mean the previously announced "Thirsty Dog".

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« Reply #6362 on: September 13, 2017, 09:33:42 PM »
I could be wrong on this, but isn't FEB finally 100% leased on all the retail?

When can we expect to hear the Phase 3 announcement?

I believe one never-leased spot between Dante's and Magnolia remains - plus the Willeyville spot.

I have seen, in past lease maps, a Kilwin's chocolate/ice cream shop on the FEB map, as I often see in resort type places.  Though real retail is preferred vs another bar or restaurant, a place like Kilwin's or the Peace, Love, and Little Donuts mini-chain from places like Kent might be a good "treat" fit.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats East Bank
« Reply #6363 on: September 14, 2017, 12:19:49 AM »
When did Willeyville close?

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Re: Cleveland: Flats East Bank
« Reply #6365 on: September 14, 2017, 08:20:52 AM »
When did Willeyville close?

Back in November.

Portside has also closed:

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/09/portside_brewery-distillery_in.html


Coincidental that both these places were on the "back side" of the FEB development.  Minimal exposure

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« Reply #6366 on: September 14, 2017, 08:24:07 AM »
When did Willeyville close?

Back in November.

Portside has also closed:

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/09/portside_brewery-distillery_in.html


Coincidental that both these places were on the "back side" of the FEB development.  Minimal exposure

good point.  Portside I feel was in an even more "remote" location than Willeyville.  I think that people heading to the Flats will want to be on the waterfront and these locations don't provide that experience.

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« Reply #6367 on: September 14, 2017, 08:50:39 AM »
How is Flipside doing? Since we are talking about places that lack exposure I forgot this was here until I was on the elevated portion of the WFL heading to the Browns game.

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« Reply #6368 on: September 14, 2017, 09:00:00 AM »
How is Flipside doing? Since we are talking about places that lack exposure I forgot this was here until I was on the elevated portion of the WFL heading to the Browns game.

I was there last weekend... Crowded 11:30-1:30 and then again 5:30-8:30, but it dies out after that, unlike the other spots down there. They're not really targeted to that crowd, though, as they close at 10 on weekends.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats East Bank
« Reply #6369 on: September 14, 2017, 09:03:13 AM »
Do they get any lunch business during the week? 

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« Reply #6370 on: September 14, 2017, 09:09:33 AM »
When did Willeyville close?

Back in November.

Portside has also closed:

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/09/portside_brewery-distillery_in.html


Coincidental that both these places were on the "back side" of the FEB development.  Minimal exposure

good point.  Portside I feel was in an even more "remote" location than Willeyville.  I think that people heading to the Flats will want to be on the waterfront and these locations don't provide that experience.

I agree.  Both the PD and Scene when reporting Portside's closing stated, in headlines, that it was located in FEB, which it really isn't.  It is up the hill on Front Ave in kind of a 'no man's land' between FEB and WHD which, as noted, was likely part of its problem.  I only pass by Portside's location when driving leaving the Flats and am usually knee deep in traffic.  Pedestrian visibility and access to Portside was far from ideal.  But to report this failure as being in Flats East Bank casts an unfair negative pall on FEB which, overall, seems to be thriving... This is poor reporting.

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« Reply #6371 on: September 14, 2017, 10:37:33 AM »
Agreed on the location being awful...the only time I saw the place was when I was driving by it.
(it also didn't help that the one brew I bought from them at Heinen's failed to impress)

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Re: Cleveland: Flats East Bank
« Reply #6372 on: September 29, 2017, 12:28:42 PM »
Scott Wolstein eyes Flats East Bank phase three, other ventures after 5 years at Starwood Retail

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CLEVELAND, Ohio - Sitting on a patio in the Flats on a surprisingly sweaty late-summer afternoon, Scott Wolstein seemed relaxed despite the nearby bustle of valets, trains and boats.

...He hopes to break ground in the spring for a third wave of development, which will include a high-end movie theater, restaurants and an apartment tower.

If that timeline holds, new buildings could open by late 2019, joining the existing Ernst & Young Tower, the Aloft hotel, waterfront apartments, dining and entertainment venues.

http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2017/09/scott_wolstein_eyes_flats_east.html
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« Reply #6373 on: September 29, 2017, 12:29:00 PM »
Scott Wolstein eyes Flats East Bank phase three, other ventures after 5 years at Starwood Retail


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Developer Scott Wolstein hopes to break ground in the spring for the third phase of his Flats East Bank project on the Cuyahoga River in downtown Cleveland. The first and second phases, including an office tower, apartments and restaurants, are visible across the water from the west bank of the Flats. (Gus Chan/The Plain Dealer)
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CLEVELAND, Ohio - Sitting on a patio in the Flats on a surprisingly sweaty late-summer afternoon, Scott Wolstein seemed relaxed despite the nearby bustle of valets, trains and boats.

For the first time in five years, he's not commuting from Cleveland to Chicago for work every week. On Sept. 11, Starwood Retail Partners announced that Wolstein, 65, was stepping aside as chief executive officer. Though he'll stay involved as a senior advisor to the shopping-mall company's parent investment firm, Wolstein is free to do his own thing.

In Cleveland, that means taking a more hands-on approach at the Flats East Bank, the riverfront project that's largely a legacy investment for Wolstein and his mother, Iris. He hopes to break ground in the spring for a third wave of development, which will include a high-end movie theater, restaurants and an apartment tower.

http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2017/09/scott_wolstein_eyes_flats_east.html#incart_river_home

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Re: Cleveland: Flats East Bank
« Reply #6374 on: September 29, 2017, 12:45:27 PM »
What's interesting about that to me is that I didn't think the site south of FWD would be developed at all, let alone as part of Phase III.

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« Reply #6375 on: September 29, 2017, 12:51:41 PM »
Too bad the Waterfront Line will probably be going back to weekends-only starting next year as GCRTA slashes service systemwide to cope with the loss of the MCO sales tax and the state's unwillingness to fix it.
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« Reply #6376 on: September 29, 2017, 01:00:24 PM »
Thrilled to finally see some possible movement on Phase 3.  Let's see what Wolstein's full court press can deliver.  Quite obviously Phases 1 and 2 have been a hit and I'm happy to read the apartments are 92% rented, though I'm sure Phase 3 is going to be challenging... Curious that neither Adam Fishman nor Fairmount properties were mentioned.  Did they drop out?

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« Reply #6377 on: September 29, 2017, 01:07:39 PM »
I think increasing the residential density could be a significant boost for the whole area.  I could see lots of smaller units doing well with the just out of college crowd.  The warehouse district/east bank is being a little left behind with all the residential being built on the east side of downtown.  Hope to see it happen.  With the water taxi and connection to whiskey island on the west bank, the area becomes more appealing beyond an entertainment district.

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« Reply #6378 on: September 29, 2017, 01:08:30 PM »
Thrilled to finally see some possible movement on Phase 3.  Let's see what Wolstein's full court press can deliver.  Quite obviously Phases 1 and 2 have been a hit and I'm happy to read the apartments are 92% rented, though I'm sure Phase 3 is going to be challenging... Curious that neither Adam Fishman nor Fairmount properties were mentioned.  Did they drop out?

You can't have more apartments at that price point and expect both apartment complexes to thrive. The tower has to come in with condo's. There is plenty down there to draw people, they would sell fast and help the comps for downtown.

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« Reply #6379 on: September 29, 2017, 01:40:52 PM »
Best news I heard all week. And if I'm not mistaken the earlier renderings showed something around 10 stories on that parking lot. Apparently they plan to go taller.

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Wolstein also is talking to the Cleveland International Fund, the senior lender on land earmarked for phase three. That property includes grassy space where new restaurants could rise between FWD Day and Nightclub and Alley Cat Oyster Bar, near the Cuyahoga River, and a parking lot behind the existing apartments. The movie theater would occupy the northern end of the parking lot, with retail and a 15-to-20-story apartment tower to the south.
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« Reply #6380 on: September 29, 2017, 02:20:40 PM »
11, actually. And yes, it's great news if they can pull it off.

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« Reply #6381 on: September 30, 2017, 01:42:09 AM »
Glad to see the Flats are starting to take shape of a walkeable area. I'm sure there will be more renderings if there's 15-20 stories of floor-space. This is a massive addition to the list of residential projects currently under way... I love it already! Verticality is better right?
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« Reply #6382 on: September 30, 2017, 12:30:01 PM »
Good to hear things are still moving forward. Though I'm not sold on the viability of the movie theater. Crocker Park and Independence offer convenient parking. Being someplace in FEB at a given time is going to be a difficult proposition for the RTA-phobic majority.

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« Reply #6383 on: September 30, 2017, 02:04:18 PM »
Good to hear things are still moving forward. Though I'm not sold on the viability of the movie theater. Crocker Park and Independence offer convenient parking. Being someplace in FEB at a given time is going to be a difficult proposition for the RTA-phobic majority.

Things sort themselves out.  For those to whom parking is the be-all, end-all likely wouldn't come downtown any except for a concert or game that interests them.  Let them stay in the burbs at their beloved malls for there are plenty who a crowding downtown these days, including downtown residents.

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« Reply #6384 on: September 30, 2017, 04:15:50 PM »
If its still like the original plans, its going to be one of those high end theaters where they serve you food and drink at your seats. I could certainly see that competing with the parking in the burbs with no problem.

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« Reply #6385 on: September 30, 2017, 05:26:56 PM »
I think a smaller theater with maybe three screens would do just fine in that location; that would be used moreso by the folks that live downtown as more of a "neighborhood" theater (Detroit / W.65th being an example). Tower City could be looked at as having a larger draw than just for the folks who live downtown.

But what do I know... Competition could be good for downtown and the region in general.

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« Reply #6386 on: September 30, 2017, 05:29:36 PM »
Do they still make smaller theaters like that? New build theaters I mean? Maybe they do, I just haven't seen any. I don't know if that product exists out there

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« Reply #6387 on: September 30, 2017, 06:19:18 PM »
Since Fairmount Properties is developing a Silverspot luxury theater at their Pinecrest - and is or was involved with FEB, my guess is that this may be a Silverspot. If so, its a great place... with legit restaurant and comfy, lounge-like theaters with concession bar for (reasonably priced!) drinks, etc. A definite draw...


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« Reply #6388 on: September 30, 2017, 08:02:37 PM »
A cinema would be great---and would be used not only of Downtown and Flats residents, but also people visiting CLE. And particularly if the films shown are good, like stuff at the Angelika or Film Forum, you'd have people from the suburbs coming in as well if its the only screen in town showing a particular film. The Cleveland Cinematheque is great, but they only show previously-run films as far as I know.

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« Reply #6389 on: October 01, 2017, 07:45:38 AM »
I think the city needs to reel back these hard restrictions on these parking meters on the weekend. Visitors getting their car towed can only happen so much before they move on. I don't buy the "it blocks emergency vehicles" reason. It's too coincidental that the restriction is only in the areas that have lots. I know I'm beating a dead horse but it worries me.