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Offline Jeffrey

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Boycott Dayton
« on: November 25, 2008, 05:58:42 PM »


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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2008, 08:22:09 PM »
Uh...
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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2008, 08:25:01 PM »
What the f$&k run on sentences and bad grammar and punctuation and snippets of racist hispanic elderly man United States something.

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Daytonís Civic Leaders & Religious Leaders & their followers & supporters have done nothing aggressive or positive to crack down on crime & violence in Dayton, Ohio & now Dayton is considered to be one of the most unsafe cities in America according to Forbes & criminals from Dayton, Ohio of all races, ethnic backgrounds & religions are moving to the suburbs & bringing it out here where I live. Some are white, some are Hispanic & some are black or of other races of people & all are worthless & valueless citizens of The United States Of America that could care less about you or me or our safety. Boycott Dayton is not about race or racism & I am not a racist or into racism & never have been. It is simply about trying to finally get something done about crime & violence in Dayton, Ohio that ultimately adversely affects innocent people of all races, ethinic backgrounds & religions in Dayton & also people in the surrounding suburbs. We are all suffering equally in this respect. Innocent children & the elderly that have no choice are constantly being victimized. That is not okay. Not if you are a real man or woman or citizen of American.

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Holy crap, it keeps going on and on.
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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2008, 08:33:27 PM »
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just like the Dayton Daily News comments section.
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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2008, 12:31:21 AM »
I typically try to not even give these sites one single hit, or mention to other people, so that they get as little traffic as possible.

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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2008, 01:29:32 AM »
Unbelievable. So boycotting Dayton and refusing to spend any money there is somehow going to help the situation?! :lol:

This guy is crazy. Boycotting Dayton will just make things worse. The less money to be made legally in the city, the more people will turn to illegal means.

4. I will not make any charitable contributions to any Dayton charities such as The United Fund & especially not to churches or religious organizations or food banks or Goodwill Stores or other thrift stores located in The City Limits Of Dayton, Ohio.

Alright, this guy is clearly off his rocker...

I will also not vote for any political candidate that is endorsed by Daytonís Civic Or Religious Leaders or SCLC or NAACP or their followers or supporters nor will I cooperate with them in anyway. All of these people & organizations are simply enablers that allowed crime & violence to go on in Dayton all to long now.

...and completely ignorant. Attacking non-profit organizations who are trying to help the community does nothing to solve the crime problem. Trust me, most of the organizations he listed don't like violent crime any more than he does. He's picking the wrong enemies.

To me, that whole blog had a very disturbing tone to it. Clearly this is someone filled with anger and hate (supposedly from losing his son). I don't like reading stuff like that. There's a big difference between being upset about the situation and offering legitimate criticism and just going off the deep end and attacking every single thing remotely associated with the city of Dayton. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is cooking up some violent vigilante uprising.
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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2008, 02:32:11 AM »
He obviously does not have warm feelings for the city, so what keeps him there?  Maybe family, money, bad housing market or a combination of all.... certainly not optimism.  I read the first chunk and got bored.

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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2008, 04:22:02 AM »
I think the author was a crime victim, or it reads that way a bit.

But he has a point.  As Dayton becomes abandoned even more poverty-stricken there is no more prey for the predators.

And with less housing left in the city those with criminal intent have to live somewhere, which could be in suburbia if they can get cheap rent in anonymous older apartment-land.

Also,  what he might really talking about is not crime but the equation "Dayton/Daytonians=Crime", and as Daytonians move to suburbia people thing they bring their crime with them, even if people moving out from the city are not necessarily criminals.

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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2008, 01:26:47 PM »
I read through the "about" section posted.  I really think the guy is taking a wrong approach to helping things in Dayton, and I think his actions are some of the things that can cause a city to decline.  I get the impression that he really didn't see a need to do anything about crime in Dayton until it started "coming to the suburbs."  I also wonder if he's involved in his community at all, such as in a neighborhood watch program or even a Citizens on Patrol program.  Does he volunteer his time?  I would think creating a blog like this will do nothing to help clear crime.  Instead, I think it could just cause more ill-will towards a city.  Of course, having fewer people in the city is never a good thing. 

I typically try to not even give these sites one single hit, or mention to other people, so that they get as little traffic as possible.

I will not look at this site again.  I don't want this guy to get any more hits.

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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2008, 02:08:30 PM »
Is it possible to change the name of this thread to "what is boycott Dayton" a blog.
 
I totally thought this was about Dayton and a boycott.

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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2008, 03:01:10 PM »
I'm boycotting that blog.  What a pointless waste of bandwith

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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2008, 03:16:01 PM »
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I will not look at this site again.  I don't want this guy to get any more hits.

He actually links to Urban Ohio, believe it or not.

I was thinking of starting a blog like that.  "Dirt-town", about what a mess Dayton and vicinity are.  But it would be tough to keep up an extended rant against Dayton.  I can do that at City-Data forum instead of blogging on it.



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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2008, 05:49:37 PM »
So you all are p!ssed that someone is concerned about drug dealing and gang violence in Dayton?

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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2008, 06:17:10 PM »
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what he's talking about is a real issue, or real perception, but people are attacking him for the "dis the city" POV.

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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2008, 06:27:35 PM »
I was thinking of starting a blog like that.  "Dirt-town", about what a mess Dayton and vicinity are.  But it would be tough to keep up an extended rant against Dayton.  I can do that at City-Data forum instead of blogging on it.

Haha. Yeah, city-data is pretty much nothing but city bash fests. Almost everyone on there is pro-suburban, at least in the Ohio section.

what he's talking about is a real issue, or real perception, but people are attacking him for the "dis the city" POV.

My problem is not that he's dissing Dayton (hell, most Ohioans hate their cities, it's expected). My problem is that he's dissing some organizations trying to help the situation. He's stereotyping and making blanket statements with nothing but his own opinion/experience to back it up. It's one thing to rant with reason, it's quite another to claim that every organization under the sun is responsible for Dayton's crime problems (which of course are real).

And let's not forget his blog is just terribly written. There are much better and more creative ways to bash Dayton. I've seen some pretty hilarious and/or well-researched rants about Ohio cities. His blog was neither. I personally like reading good rants when they're funny or at least have a lot of truth in them.
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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2008, 08:34:33 PM »
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what he's talking about is a real issue, or real perception, but people are attacking him for the "dis the city" POV.


I see no problem with someone talking about a real issue.  However, I don't think his proposed boycott will do anything to address these issues.

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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2008, 10:59:50 AM »
Did anyone see this in his "About the author" statement:

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My payment & reward for all of this was my home town was practically destroyed by criminals, I had to move & my son was robbed & brutally murdered in Dayton, Ohio through no fault of his own.

Behind every cynic is a broken hearted idealist. I don't condone this guy's proposals, but if I were him I could see myself wanting to see the place as the next Al-Qaeda ground zero.
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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2008, 01:31:58 PM »
Yeah, you can't expect someone like that to be completely level headed. Crime, poverty and govt corruption and/or apathy are REAL issues that need to be dealt with. People get so fed up and they take it to the extreme because they see that none of the normal tools are working. Just like gays wanting to ban products from California, or certain Harlemites wanting to ban..well, Harlem.
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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2008, 02:23:11 PM »
I don't presume to meet the author on his terms, but in my opinion -

I grew up in Dayton in the 60s and 70s, and I deliberately "escaped" out of the area after I graduated from college and moved away from the area. Coming back and seeing Dayton through an outsider's eyes, but with the familiarity I have with the region, I see Dayton as "bad seed", an area that has turned rotten and negative. Dayton needs to die and implode and something and someone else needs to take its place.

I don't mean that everyone who now tries to make Dayton better in incremental ways should not do so or that I wish they would drop dead. What I mean is that Dayton is a truly lost cause.

In certain ways, the Dayton metro area is the biggest ghetto in the US - has the most prevailing "we suck and we like sucking" mentality among entrenched locals.

Let's put it this way. I have lived all over the country. It's only in Dayton that someone ahead of me walking out of a store would let a glass door go behind them without holding it for the next person walking out - I was amazed to get out of Dayton and see actual common courtesy practiced toward strangers. I also remember growing up and not being able to simply converse with someone in Dayton without it being prepended with a lengthy introduction - the people here are xenophobic - if they don't know you they suspect you.  And Dayton is the place (actually on Rt 201 outside of Huber Heights) where someone threw a rock the size of an egg from a truck driving in the opposite direction at my car (it landed in the back seat - I didn't know what happened until I got home.) Dayton is now where I have been merging at a quiet time of the day onto Rt 35 in Beavercreek from 675 and had a briar a$$shole in a truck exactly hold his position and not let me move out of the merge lane.

I used to attend a church in Dayton. My wife and I stopped attending because the church would rather help local crackheads and methheads in their publicized high profile good works programs than a family member of ours, also a long time church member, in need. The key there was yet another bad, rotten aspect of Dayton - the clique mentality. You HAVE to be an accepted member of a ruling clique here in order to be respected or listened to. Otherwise, you're an expendable nuisance.

The attitude in Dayton is just plain nasty. There are bright spots. I am not against anyone helping that community, I am not against good things that have been initiated in Dayton either. I just think Dayton is a completely lost cause.

The author of that blog blames Daytonians and their laziness and apathy, and by extension blames all Daytonians. That is not fair, but on the other hand, Dayton is the least civil and friendly place I have ever lived in the US (and I have lived on both coasts and several places in the middle.)

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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2008, 03:14:51 PM »
In certain ways, the Dayton metro area is the biggest ghetto in the US - has the most prevailing "we suck and we like sucking" mentality among entrenched locals.


this is funny. I grew up in NE Ohio and visited Dayton only once about 30 years ago. I didn't think it was that awful. Fast forward to a few years ago. I was working in an ad agency in New York with a woman (African-American) who was an actress originally from Los Angeles. She toured Ohio in the early 90's in a road company of the musical "How to Succeed in Business..." When asked how she liked Ohio she said she loved Cleveland. Then she mentioned performing in Dayton. She was at a beautiful restored theatre downtown--that was nice--but the town itself was a complete dump--sooo ghetto, as she put it. She couldn't find enough negative superlatives to describe life in downtown Dayton! (to this day I can't believe it's that bad  :laugh:)

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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2008, 06:10:10 PM »
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She was at the Victoria, and at the time she was in Dayton downtown was....not too different than it is now....in other words totally dead on weekends, which is probably when she was there if she was part of a Broadway tour.  About the only people on the street during the day are the oldesters from the Biltmore and the "transit dependent population" waiting for RTA.  Downtown in the early 1990s probably seem even more derlict as the old, empty Lazarus/Rikes hulk was still standing.

BTW, the host of "Boycott Dayton" has an About Me page.

I found this out:

"My payment & reward for all of this was my home town was practically destroyed by criminals, I had to move & my son was robbed & brutally murdered in Dayton, Ohio through no fault of his own.

"All he was guilty of was trusting someone & meeting them there to buy drugs for another person.

"What he was doing was illegal & the same thing thousands of people that live in Dayton do every day.

"Go to an illegal drug dealers to buy drugs simply because they can not buy them from safe sources because they are illegal.

The person that did this to my son was sent to prison for 15 years to life so there is no question who was at fault unless you think the prosecutor & the judge was stupid.


So he and his family ended up leaving the city, then his son goes into town to buy drugs was involved in a drug deal that apparently went bad. 

 It's almost like he is endorsing drug use becuase "everyone does it". 

I'm sorry, if someone asked me to go into town to meet someonoe at such & such location to buy drugs I'd look at them like they were nuts.  In fact I probably wouldn't know that person if they asked me that, or keep them at a safe distance.

I think his son was part of the problem he is complaining about if he agreed to do a drug deal for someone.

It's like asking for trouble.



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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2008, 08:58:05 AM »
I'm sorry, if someone asked me to go into town to meet someonoe at such & such location to buy drugs I'd look at them like they were nuts.  In fact I probably wouldn't know that person if they asked me that, or keep them at a safe distance.

I think his son was part of the problem he is complaining about if he agreed to do a drug deal for someone.

It's like asking for trouble.

I agree.  I hate hearing about murders, but I can't help but think this son may still be alive today if he had not agreed to this drug deal.  I'm surprised that anyone would expect a drug dealer to be a model citizen, and my guess is that that the same thing could happen in any city. 

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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2008, 09:40:05 AM »
I already noted the murder in the author's life.

One could see this as a Dayton ghetto lifestyle that ensnared the kid. In other words, Dayton offered the opportunity and enticement to engage in risky behaviors, be set up, and murdered.

So I can see the author deciding that it probably wouldn't happen elsewhere, therefore, the town is evil.

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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2008, 12:51:32 PM »
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One could see this as a Dayton ghetto lifestyle that ensnared the kid. In other words, Dayton offered the opportunity and enticement to engage in risky behaviors, be set up, and murdered.

At some point one starts to read things into the backstory behind the blog.   His point was that Dayton crime is coming to the suburbs so the city should be boycotted.  On further inspection, the criminal (illegal purchase of controlled substance) was already in the suburbs.
 
At first I saw this as a sort of worst-case example of "Dayton Sux", but now I see it as blaming the city in general for someones bad life choices.

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, I see Dayton as "bad seed", an area that has turned rotten and negative.

This is pretty good, though.  I would qualify "area" as extending beyond the city limits.  I'd also ad "passive aggressive" to your list of generailzed negative traits found among the locals.







 


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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2008, 01:31:10 PM »
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, I see Dayton as "bad seed", an area that has turned rotten and negative.

This is pretty good, though.  I would qualify "area" as extending beyond the city limits.  I'd also ad "passive aggressive" to your list of generailzed negative traits found among the locals.

Agreed. Dayton is ringed by suburbs where there is a culture of needing to feel superior to someone else. I'd sum it up as a generalized and consistent meanness and selfishness.

I think it may perhaps be partially the result of entitlement mentality on the part of the many unionized workers in the region, soured by 35+ years of locally bad economic news due to plant closings, downsizings, poor domestic auto industry performance, etc.

I know that when I grew up in Dayton, I wasn't particularly spoiled materially, but I just picked up a huge sense of entitlement, that I should "have things" and that life should be easier. It was baked into me growing up there. I had to move away to get an appreciation of how life really is. I also had many, many weird defense mechanisms and "tics", shared by classmates from Dayton, that I haven't seen in anyone from any other region.

To be even pithier, Dayton has incredibly bad "karma".

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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2008, 03:42:21 PM »
You can't criticize Dayton (or any other troubled city) and call it a lost cause without criticizing the people who fled it an turned their backs on it instead of trying to fix it before it  became a "lost cause."

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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2008, 03:46:28 PM »
Yeah and we should all have stayed with out crazy ex girlfriends to help them work their issues out. People move on to better things.
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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2008, 03:57:25 PM »
Right. Everything we do, just move on and damn the consequences.

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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2008, 04:08:24 PM »
You can't criticize Dayton (or any other troubled city) and call it a lost cause without criticizing the people who fled it an turned their backs on it instead of trying to fix it before it  became a "lost cause."

But what made people turn their backs? Job migration, changing demographics, and corrupt city government. 2 out of 3 are circumstances beyond the control of the majority of the population. Changing demographics is debatable as to whether it is class related or racially motivated. You surely can't expect a father with a family of 5 to feed who got laid off from a closing steel plant to stay in a rust belt city without a job b/c, in terms of urbanism, it was the right thing to do.

When talking jobs, finances, and the safety and well being of family...principles sometimes have to take a backseat. The failure of cities to adjust to changing economies and provide adequate services, infrastructure, etc. is just as much, if not more so, to blame as the choices individuals made to leave them.
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Re: Boycott Dayton
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2008, 04:10:50 PM »
Right. Everything we do, just move on and damn the consequences.

Hey if my ex girlfriend kills herself that's on her!