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« Reply #3750 on: August 08, 2018, 04:59:28 PM »
The CPS teachers refusing the parking spots in the Town Center garage is pretty laughable.  Though the distance is the same from the Washington Park garage they complain about having to walk across Central.  Uh hey teachers hundreds if not thousands of people walk across that street everyday to get to and from their job, you guys can do the same. 

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« Reply #3751 on: August 08, 2018, 05:25:17 PM »
Pretty sure their main gripe about Town Center is that there is the very likely possibility it gets torn down in the near future and they're back to having to find a new place to park.

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« Reply #3752 on: August 08, 2018, 05:33:15 PM »
The CPS teachers refusing the parking spots in the Town Center garage is pretty laughable.  Though the distance is the same from the Washington Park garage they complain about having to walk across Central.  Uh hey teachers hundreds if not thousands of people walk across that street everyday to get to and from their job, you guys can do the same. 

If only there were a bridge across central from that garage..........I kid, I kid!!

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« Reply #3753 on: August 08, 2018, 05:57:35 PM »
Yeah, it's funny because we had a big political fight about the exact same thing less than a year ago. Music Hall patrons and now the teachers' union have both complained that it is not safe to cross Central Parkway. What's odd is that the city repainted two of the crosswalks on Central Parkway with zebra stripes after the skywalk was demolished and I haven't heard anything else about the skywalk since that happened. So apparently it was a good idea to not spend millions rebuilding the skywalk...but maybe we could spend a fraction of that amount on making a few more pedestrian improvements to Central Parkway to make teachers and all other pedestrians feel safer.

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« Reply #3754 on: August 08, 2018, 06:03:51 PM »
Yeah, it's funny because we had a big political fight about the exact same thing less than a year ago. Music Hall patrons and now the teachers' union have both complained that it is not safe to cross Central Parkway. What's odd is that the city repainted two of the crosswalks on Central Parkway with zebra stripes after the skywalk was demolished and I haven't heard anything else about the skywalk since that happened. So apparently it was a good idea to not spend millions rebuilding the skywalk...but maybe we could spend a fraction of that amount on making a few more pedestrian improvements to Central Parkway to make teachers and all other pedestrians feel safer.

You can take a lane off Central Parkway and traffic flow would only be reduced by a few miles per hour. Oh and get rid of the 2nd left turn onto Walnut while we're at it.
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« Reply #3755 on: August 08, 2018, 06:18:05 PM »
Pretty sure their main gripe about Town Center is that there is the very likely possibility it gets torn down in the near future and they're back to having to find a new place to park.
The city and 3CDC said yesterday there is no immanent plan to do anything with the town center garage.  Now they could be lying about that or know that something will happen but not for a year or two.  But the city did say that unlike what we all thought the town center garage is not part of FCCs plan. 

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« Reply #3756 on: August 08, 2018, 06:35:54 PM »
My understanding is that WCET owns the center building and has not yet announced what they plan to do next--whether they are interested in selling the building and relocating elsewhere, or not. WCET leased space to Cincinnati Public Radio, which is planning to relocate due to that uncertainty. The city has been trying to find a place to add more parking in that area for a long time, because there are various players that want more parking, including the owners of the Streitmann office building. One idea that was floated was building a garage on the parking lot next to the YMCA building, right at the Central Parkway curve. I'm sure the city would prefer to partner with an org like 3CDC to redevelop the Town Center/WCET block. The advantage is that you could kill multiple birds with one stone--providing parking for Streitmann, Music Hall, and FCC with one new garage. If WCET refuses to sell, we might end up with two separate smaller garages--one by the YMCA and one somewhere else near the stadium site.

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« Reply #3757 on: August 09, 2018, 08:59:14 AM »
Yeah, it's funny because we had a big political fight about the exact same thing less than a year ago. Music Hall patrons and now the teachers' union have both complained that it is not safe to cross Central Parkway. What's odd is that the city repainted two of the crosswalks on Central Parkway with zebra stripes after the skywalk was demolished and I haven't heard anything else about the skywalk since that happened. So apparently it was a good idea to not spend millions rebuilding the skywalk...but maybe we could spend a fraction of that amount on making a few more pedestrian improvements to Central Parkway to make teachers and all other pedestrians feel safer.

You can take a lane off Central Parkway and traffic flow would only be reduced by a few miles per hour. Oh and get rid of the 2nd left turn onto Walnut while we're at it.

When they were doing work on the rapid transit tunnels (Jake, what's the actual name?) Central Parkway was down to one lane for over a month and no one noticed or cared.

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« Reply #3760 on: August 16, 2018, 11:20:07 AM »
When they were doing work on the rapid transit tunnels (Jake, what's the actual name?) Central Parkway was down to one lane for over a month and no one noticed or cared.

I recall that the sign they had up in 2010 actually said "rapid transit tunnels".  It definitely didn't say "subway", or "boondoggle". 

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« Reply #3761 on: August 27, 2018, 10:51:29 PM »
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« Reply #3762 on: August 28, 2018, 01:18:30 AM »
The fenestration pattern on the corner building is puzzling. You have extra tall narrow windows on 14th and then these giant monstrosities on Race. What the hell? Maybe one of the architects can offer an explanation, but to me it just looks dumb.

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« Reply #3763 on: August 28, 2018, 07:49:44 AM »
It's denoting which side is the front in its most basic form. The thing is that that chunk of the building is trying to pass itself off as a separate building and it's much too narrow to do so. It is a massing that has no precedent in OTR really so it stands out which is probably what you're reading.

This whole block is a lost opportunity. These aren't bad buildings, but they're just so lackluster. None of the infill in this block is even remotely noteworthy or memorable. They're also not a large enough scale. The faux granular design is exhausting and is broken into too many tiny pieces to feel even slightly real or organic. Meh.

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« Reply #3764 on: August 28, 2018, 09:24:15 AM »
I think they were going to be a story or so higher but then something came up worrying about the parking. Would have been nice to get an extra story or two on there.

Oh well, onto the next one after these. Hopefully 3CDC's next block wide development goes a bit taller.

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« Reply #3765 on: August 28, 2018, 03:04:38 PM »
I think the west block is architecturally successful. It does not impose artificial granularity. The east block, as already mentioned, does the exact opposite very frustratingly. I don't know if people remember, but the corner of Race and 15th was supposed to be a ONE STORY BUILDING... ON THE STREETCAR LINE! Just really unbelievable. I'm happy to to see the extra two stories. The consistency makes this a really solid block. Height would be great, but I'm not nitpicking this one outside of the unsuccessful granularity.

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« Reply #3766 on: September 12, 2018, 08:52:52 AM »
Just came across these original renderings for Mercer Commons. Interesting to see how the project changed from this original plan.

Here's my one wish for Mercer Commons: that they leave Rodney Alley paved in brick.

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« Reply #3767 on: September 12, 2018, 03:52:26 PM »
Update on the Columbia building on Walnut.

3cdc updated there projects, and added the Columbia building project recently. This is the exert;

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The Columbia, which sits at the corner of 13th & Walnut streets, is a complete renovation of 32,000 square feet of an existing historic building. 3CDC is the owner of the building, also serving as the developer of the project, which will yield 36 apartment units and four first-floor commercial spaces upon completion. The project is part of 3CDC’s larger strategy to develop quality mixed-income residences in the heart of OTR. Of the 36 units, 8 will be made available to persons or families at 80% of the Area Median Income (AMI). Completion is expected by June of 2019.

https://www.3cdc.org/project/the-columbia/

I'm excited for this project. It will hopefully liven walnut st a bit more, and push out the few remaining drug dealers that still try to deal on that corner for whatever reason to suburban families.

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« Reply #3768 on: September 12, 2018, 04:09:42 PM »
Yes that is a big help to Walnut.  Get that building rehabbed and get retail/restaurant/bar/whatever in the ground floor of this building and The Stafford across the street and Walnut has a lot more life. 

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« Reply #3769 on: September 12, 2018, 04:24:16 PM »
The original circa-2006 plans for Mercer Commmons was tearing everything down and building a school to replace Rothenberg, which was itself going to get torn down. 

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« Reply #3770 on: September 12, 2018, 04:24:48 PM »
The original circa-2006 plans for Mercer Commmons was tearing everything down and building a school to replace Rothenberg, which was itself going to get torn down. 

I had forgotten about that. Really glad that didn't happen

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« Reply #3771 on: September 12, 2018, 04:55:45 PM »
The original circa-2006 plans for Mercer Commmons was tearing everything down and building a school to replace Rothenberg, which was itself going to get torn down. 

I had forgotten about that. Really glad that didn't happen


CPS still got to tear down 5-6 buildings at the SE corner of 12th & Elm for SCPA while replacing much of the parking lot section of that block...with a parking lot. 

Then they got to tear down a few buildings on Main to create Rothenberg's parking lot plus fill in some brewery tunnels. 

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« Reply #3772 on: September 14, 2018, 08:15:42 PM »
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« Reply #3773 on: September 14, 2018, 09:10:40 PM »
^looks great, good project. Appreciate the granularity. The one thing about it is that the uniform height along Race does stick out a little bit- it seems a variation in heights between buildings is a defining feature of Over the Rhine.

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« Reply #3774 on: September 14, 2018, 10:23:25 PM »
When all of the vacant lots are filled in, we will be kicking ourselves that we filled them with 2 or 3 story buildings instead of maxing them out with 4 or 5 story buildings.

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« Reply #3775 on: September 14, 2018, 10:41:06 PM »
When all of the vacant lots are filled in, we will be kicking ourselves that we filled them with 2 or 3 story buildings instead of maxing them out with 4 or 5 story buildings.

I guess if 3cdc really wanted to in the future, they could maybe take that empty lot (that i'm guessing is used for residential parking behind the buildings), and build some type of narrow dense structure that's taller in that space?

On a side note, it's sort of crazy to think that 4 years ago, that block was mainly a grassy field, with 1 collapse historic structure, and a block down was a church that was almost demolished, and is now one of the most successful microbreweries in cincy.



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« Reply #3776 on: September 17, 2018, 01:26:41 PM »
In a memo sent out today, 3cdc is trying to purchase the alabama fish bar building on race st in otr, and wants to own and redevelop the property

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« Reply #3777 on: September 17, 2018, 02:48:22 PM »
In a memo sent out today, 3cdc is trying to purchase the alabama fish bar building on race st in otr, and wants to own and redevelop the property


Wonder if they will also do something with the lot to the west of it.

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« Reply #3778 on: September 17, 2018, 03:17:51 PM »
In a memo sent out today, 3cdc is trying to purchase the alabama fish bar building on race st in otr, and wants to own and redevelop the property

That place is the best!!! Did the business close??

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« Reply #3779 on: September 17, 2018, 03:28:38 PM »
I am surprised 3cdc wants to renovate something north of Liberty.