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Re: Cleveland: Wind Turbine Construction News
« Reply #480 on: March 01, 2017, 09:48:02 AM »
Will Lake Erie Be Home to the First Wind Farm in the Great Lakes?

By Susan Cosier

The winds whipping across Lake Erie can average up to 16 miles per hour. And about 7 to 10 miles northwest of Cleveland, there's a pilot project in the works to capture them. The offshore wind farm would be the second in the nation and the first ever in a Great Lake.

The offshore wind industry is already expanding on the northeastern seaboard, but a freshwater wind farm would face different conditions than those in the salty seas of the Atlantic—the biggest one being ice. Lake Erie, the most shallow of the Great Lakes, usually freezes during winter, so a turbine would have to withstand huge chunks of ice crashing into its pole. That hasn't stopped LEEDCo, the renewable energy company proposing the project, from pushing ahead. Earlier this month, it submitted its permit application for the project, dubbed Icebreaker Wind.

If the regulatory agencies—including the Ohio Power Siting Board, the state department of natural resources, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the U.S. Coast Guard—give the thumbs up, the towers could go up as early as next year.

MORE:
http://www.ecowatch.com/icebreaker-wind-farm-2276466791.html?utm_source=EcoWatch+List&utm_campaign=4e38100793-MailChimp+Email+Blast&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_49c7d43dc9-4e38100793-85344653
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Re: Cleveland: Wind Turbine Construction News
« Reply #481 on: March 01, 2017, 10:56:14 AM »
Will Lake Erie Be Home to the First Wind Farm in the Great Lakes?

By Susan Cosier

The winds whipping across Lake Erie can average up to 16 miles per hour. And about 7 to 10 miles northwest of Cleveland, there's a pilot project in the works to capture them. The offshore wind farm would be the second in the nation and the first ever in a Great Lake.

The offshore wind industry is already expanding on the northeastern seaboard, but a freshwater wind farm would face different conditions than those in the salty seas of the Atlantic—the biggest one being ice. Lake Erie, the most shallow of the Great Lakes, usually freezes during winter, so a turbine would have to withstand huge chunks of ice crashing into its pole. That hasn't stopped LEEDCo, the renewable energy company proposing the project, from pushing ahead. Earlier this month, it submitted its permit application for the project, dubbed Icebreaker Wind.

If the regulatory agencies—including the Ohio Power Siting Board, the state department of natural resources, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the U.S. Coast Guard—give the thumbs up, the towers could go up as early as next year.

MORE:
http://www.ecowatch.com/icebreaker-wind-farm-2276466791.html?utm_source=EcoWatch+List&utm_campaign=4e38100793-MailChimp+Email+Blast&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_49c7d43dc9-4e38100793-85344653


The ice should be a solvable engineering issue, but is there any reason not to collect wave generated energy simultanously, piggybacking it onto the transmission lines?

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Re: Cleveland: Wind Turbine Construction News
« Reply #482 on: March 01, 2017, 11:13:10 AM »
Will Lake Erie Be Home to the First Wind Farm in the Great Lakes?

By Susan Cosier

The winds whipping across Lake Erie can average up to 16 miles per hour. And about 7 to 10 miles northwest of Cleveland, there's a pilot project in the works to capture them. The offshore wind farm would be the second in the nation and the first ever in a Great Lake.

The offshore wind industry is already expanding on the northeastern seaboard, but a freshwater wind farm would face different conditions than those in the salty seas of the Atlantic—the biggest one being ice. Lake Erie, the most shallow of the Great Lakes, usually freezes during winter, so a turbine would have to withstand huge chunks of ice crashing into its pole. That hasn't stopped LEEDCo, the renewable energy company proposing the project, from pushing ahead. Earlier this month, it submitted its permit application for the project, dubbed Icebreaker Wind.

If the regulatory agencies—including the Ohio Power Siting Board, the state department of natural resources, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the U.S. Coast Guard—give the thumbs up, the towers could go up as early as next year.

MORE:
http://www.ecowatch.com/icebreaker-wind-farm-2276466791.html?utm_source=EcoWatch+List&utm_campaign=4e38100793-MailChimp+Email+Blast&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_49c7d43dc9-4e38100793-85344653


It's frustrating that since 2004 when this was originally discussed, not a single wind turbine has been built in Lake Erie.  I know, I know... funding.

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Re: Cleveland: Wind Turbine Construction News
« Reply #483 on: March 01, 2017, 11:29:50 AM »
It's frustrating that since 2004 when this was originally discussed, not a single wind turbine has been built in Lake Erie.  I know, I know... funding.

Meanwhile in other parts of the world....




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Re: Cleveland: Wind Turbine Construction News
« Reply #484 on: March 01, 2017, 12:20:27 PM »
The ice should be a solvable engineering issue, but is there any reason not to collect wave generated energy simultanously, piggybacking it onto the transmission lines?

I doubt the wave power in Lake Erie is consistent enough in power or direction to really be worth the effort.  This map seems to prove that point:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_power#/media/File:World_wave_energy_resource_map.png

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Re: Cleveland: Wind Turbine Construction News
« Reply #485 on: March 01, 2017, 12:48:02 PM »
The ice should be a solvable engineering issue, but is there any reason not to collect wave generated energy simultanously, piggybacking it onto the transmission lines?

I doubt the wave power in Lake Erie is consistent enough in power or direction to really be worth the effort.  This map seems to prove that point:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_power#/media/File:World_wave_energy_resource_map.png

Wind energy is very inconsistent as well.  That's the problem with it for high energy density applications.


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Re: Cleveland: Wind Turbine Construction News
« Reply #486 on: March 01, 2017, 12:55:47 PM »
^Absolutely true, but that can be countered with a system of a large number of turbines with good geographic diversity.  It's also already being proven that wind power generation can be consistently forecast in these large systems making them usable as base load generators.  Germany seems to be spearheading these efforts and has had some success.  If you can accurately forecast power generation from wind it may allow you to shut down some fossil fuel burning plants for a time.

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« Reply #487 on: March 01, 2017, 02:03:11 PM »
I'm genuinely curious about this, why the fascination with offshore specifically?  Not just in Ohio but globally?  Is it because the wind is more reliable offshore?  Or just land use and permitting headaches onshore?  We're not exactly land-poor onshore even in Ohio, and in places like Texas and much of the Great Plains and Southwest, they've got tons of land with tons of reasonably reliable wind.

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Re: Cleveland: Wind Turbine Construction News
« Reply #488 on: March 01, 2017, 02:33:28 PM »
I'm genuinely curious about this, why the fascination with offshore specifically?  Not just in Ohio but globally?  Is it because the wind is more reliable offshore?  Or just land use and permitting headaches onshore?  We're not exactly land-poor onshore even in Ohio, and in places like Texas and much of the Great Plains and Southwest, they've got tons of land with tons of reasonably reliable wind.

Reliable wind from any direction.

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« Reply #489 on: March 01, 2017, 02:35:57 PM »
^^As I understand it there are several basic benefits to offshore wind.  Two of them you have already mentioned.  The wind is more reliable offshore and you avoid difficult zoning (height) and permitting headaches, although there are other NIMBY related headaches that come along with offshore.  Another benefit is that the power generating wind turbines can be placed much closer to population centers offshore than they typically could be on land because of the huge number of people that live on the coasts.  A wind farm in Iowa might be 100 miles away from the nearest major population center compared to offshore wind turbines which could be placed 10 miles away from Manhattan, for example.  So the reduced transmission costs might make up for the added expense of offshore construction.

With that said, obviously places like Texas have little use for offshore wind.  This is really meant for areas of the country where land is scarce and/or expensive and the wind is unreliable.
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Re: Cleveland: Wind Turbine Construction News
« Reply #490 on: March 01, 2017, 02:41:17 PM »
I'm genuinely curious about this, why the fascination with offshore specifically?  Not just in Ohio but globally?  Is it because the wind is more reliable offshore?  Or just land use and permitting headaches onshore?  We're not exactly land-poor onshore even in Ohio, and in places like Texas and much of the Great Plains and Southwest, they've got tons of land with tons of reasonably reliable wind.

I thinks it's because so much potential lies off shore. You can see on the map that the greatest wind resource is by far the coastal areas.

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Re: Cleveland: Wind Turbine Construction News
« Reply #491 on: March 01, 2017, 04:31:04 PM »
Also, the Ohio legislature enacted fairly strict setback requirements a couple years ago that make land-based turbines relatively difficult to site. No doubt somewhat hyperbolic, but Amazon described them as "an effective moratorium of sorts on new wind development."
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2016/05/19/amazon-wind.html

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Re: Cleveland: Wind Turbine Construction News
« Reply #492 on: March 02, 2017, 07:56:34 PM »
I'm genuinely curious about this, why the fascination with offshore specifically?  Not just in Ohio but globally?  Is it because the wind is more reliable offshore?  Or just land use and permitting headaches onshore?  We're not exactly land-poor onshore even in Ohio, and in places like Texas and much of the Great Plains and Southwest, they've got tons of land with tons of reasonably reliable wind.

Wind turbines can be a little rough on birds, to say the least.  There aren't as many out away from the shoreline, and the mess isn't an additional issue.

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Re: Cleveland: Wind Turbine Construction News
« Reply #493 on: March 03, 2017, 08:27:13 AM »
^Yeah, wind turbines do pose a risk to birds and will kill some, potentially millions per year.  But the risk isn't unique to turbines and is mostly caused by the tower itself and not so much the spinning blades.  So the risk is really on par with any communication tower or large building. 

Modern large turbines spin at relatively slow speeds so the risk of bird death due to impact with a blade is limited to the last 1/3 or so of the blade (near the tip) which passes through any given point in space less frequently than the smaller blades of the past.  The belief that wind turbines are bird blenders started because the old, small turbines at Altamont Pass do kill thousands of birds per year, but the new turbines are much better and kill far fewer birds.  While mitigation efforts are warranted, especially for certain migratory bird paths, it is certainly no reason to curtail wind energy development in my opinion. 

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« Reply #495 on: March 03, 2017, 01:59:34 PM »
non-flashing tower lights may increase risk to birds..

http://www.npr.org/2017/01/24/510811662/how-to-make-broadcast-towers-more-bird-friendly-turn-off-some-lights

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Re: Cleveland: Wind Turbine Construction News
« Reply #496 on: March 09, 2017, 08:13:31 AM »
interesting -- from the city website i saw bg's wind farm debt was all paid off early:


WIND TURBINES

Bowling Green is home to Ohio’s first utility-sized wind farm. There are four turbines that are 257 feet tall. These turbines are as tall as a 30-story building and generate up to 7.2 megawatts of power — enough to supply electricity for approximately 2,500 residential customers. Located about six miles from the city, the turbines can be seen for miles and have become a local attraction.

Debt on the wind turbine project was paid in full in 2015.   This is a tremendous accomplishment as the debt was paid off several years early and the project is now one of the City’s lowest energy resources.


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Re: Cleveland: Wind Turbine Construction News
« Reply #497 on: March 09, 2017, 01:39:48 PM »
... the project is now one of the City’s lowest energy resources.

Word missing?  :?
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Re: Cleveland: Wind Turbine Construction News
« Reply #498 on: April 12, 2017, 10:24:33 AM »
You know what's infinitely worse for birds than wind turbines in the Great Lakes? Fossil fuels and climate change. https://t.co/22zF7qcEYH

Just a reminder that coal kills at least 24x more birds than wind turbines https://t.co/nQFpLuwgz6
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Re: Cleveland: Wind Turbine Construction News
« Reply #499 on: April 13, 2017, 12:13:00 AM »
Spliethoff is bringing the heavy lift ship Happy River into Cleveland April 25th, the day after the arrival of their regular liner service ship. I wonder if Happy River will be carrying wind turbine components. The caissons look massive.
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Re: Cleveland: Wind Turbine Construction News
« Reply #500 on: September 12, 2017, 09:21:50 AM »
Draft environmental report for Lake Erie offshore wind project is promising
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Kathiann M. Kowalski
September 11, 2017

A draft Department of Energy report shows mainly minor or negligible short-term impacts from a plan to construct and operate six wind turbines approximately eight miles offshore of Cleveland.

“Having a draft environmental assessment the public can comment on is a huge milestone,” said Lorry Wagner, president of LEEDCo, the Lake Erie Energy Development Corporation, at an informational open house in Lakewood, Ohio, on September 6. The report’s review of potential environmental impacts is a requirement under the National Environmental Policy Act.

“The draft Environmental Assessment (EA) presents a detailed analysis of the potential impacts of the proposed demonstration offshore wind project,” explained Roak Parker of DOE’s NEPA office. Feedback from the public and other state and federal agencies on the draft “will make the final EA more robust,” Parker added, although he declined to speculate on that outcome before review of the comments.

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Re: Cleveland: Wind Turbine Construction News
« Reply #501 on: September 18, 2017, 08:42:18 AM »
CLASSIFICATION: UNCLASSIFIED

A Public Notice has been issued for Department of the Army Project Number 2010-00223 for Icebreaker Windpower, Incorporated (aka Lake Erie Energy Development Corporation).  You can view the public notice as well as the accompanying documentation at our website at the following URL:  http://www.lrb.usace.army.mil/Missions/Regulatory/Public-Notices/


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Re: Cleveland: Wind Turbine Construction News
« Reply #502 on: November 07, 2017, 09:00:02 PM »
A New Green Future Is Building on Lake Erie
Cleveland is on track to lead a nascent offshore wind industry in the U.S., creating clean energy and jobs for a city in need of both.
https://nextcity.org/features/view/new-green-future-building-lake-erie
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