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Re: Cuyahoga County Commissioners
« Reply #120 on: August 13, 2008, 06:44:34 AM »
If I had less judgement, and more computer skills, I would post an enhanced chart.

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« Reply #121 on: August 21, 2008, 11:22:18 AM »
Perhaps its time to relaunch that old website of yours. Do me a favor, will ya? Find out who assassinated Jim Vinci at Diamond Jim's years ago.

The website is still around, though I haven't checked clevelandmob.com since the FBI raids occurred. That would be as good a place to discuss what's been going on in with the county lately!

As for Jim Vinci, I was told by someone in the no-neck crowd who whacked him and it made complete sense.
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« Reply #122 on: August 22, 2008, 07:34:48 PM »
The family knows who did it, but nothing could be done about it - I proclaim complete ignorance.

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« Reply #123 on: August 22, 2008, 09:50:34 PM »
By the way, I got a call from an old source from when I had "the website." He is VERY tight with Jimmy D. He says JD had a sit down with someone from the no-neck crowd running a large temporary staffing firm here in town. That someone reassured JD that they will continue to take care of him and provide for his legal defense. Ironically, the person who reassured JD has his own issues -- he may go down for an arson/murder that happened back in the 1970s.

If JD is facing serious time, don't be surprised if he sings. But if he ends up facing lesser charges, then he will probably do the time like a man and the no-neck crowd will be happier for it. But suffice it to say, these are nervous times in Cleveland's underworld. They have JD under their watchful eye, which is actually very easy for them considering the city's mob boss lives right across the street from JD's very expensive home!

Edit: By the way, there's probably going to be a PD article in the next day or two that the FBI also quietly raided the law offices of George Argie Jr. in Highland Heights. The FBI was looking for business files pertaining to "one client." I have no idea who this is, but if I had to guess, the most powerful client of George Argie Jr. is James August Palladino. There is so much to say about Palladino, I don't know where to begin. But you can read about him in an old article of mine. Google "Cleveland's Wars of the Waste."
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Re: Cuyahoga County Commissioners
« Reply #124 on: September 24, 2008, 06:26:03 AM »
From Cleveland.Com

County commissioner candidates Jones and Sutherland face off in Q & A
Posted by Joe Guillen/Plain Dealer Reporter September 23, 2008 21:42PM
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Re: Cuyahoga County Commissioners
« Reply #125 on: November 30, 2008, 06:08:45 PM »
Now we're starting to get closer to the truth. When I ran the website Clevelandmob.com, there is a whole nest of organized crime activity surrounding Lucarelli, Dimora, Russo and others. For more, see my article at: http://www.clevelandmob.com/sterling.html

Auditor Frank Russo's links to workers comp firm investigated
Posted by Rachel Dissell and James Ewinger/Plain Dealer Reporters November 30, 2008 06:30AM

Federal agents are investigating links between Cuyahoga County Auditor Frank Russo and a politically connected firm that manages medical claims of injured workers and employed Russo's son, according to subpoenas and interviews.

More at
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/11/auditor_frank_russos_links_to.html
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Re: Cuyahoga County Commissioners
« Reply #126 on: December 01, 2008, 08:47:07 AM »
I think Frank Russo should have been kicked out of the county the second he authorized every frickin gas pump in the county to get his picture and name plastered accross it.  Blatant misuse of power.

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« Reply #127 on: December 01, 2008, 09:41:16 AM »
Why? Do you know how many other auditors around the country do the same thing? How is it a misuse of power?
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« Reply #128 on: December 01, 2008, 09:50:56 AM »
It is a misuse of power because those photos amount to campaign signs.  I haven't been everywhere, but most certification labels aren't dominated by a portrait.  The appearance of the person supervising weights and measures is 100% immaterial to the labels' purpose.  I don't think it would be acceptable for a president seeking reelection to put his picture, at public cost, on everyone's social security checks and tax returns.

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« Reply #129 on: December 01, 2008, 10:02:51 AM »
What picture appears on the ballot?
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« Reply #130 on: December 01, 2008, 10:27:17 AM »
What picture appears on the ballot?

None, but if his did, I'd be upset at having paid for that too.  I'm not sure what you're getting at.  Clear electoral advantage is gained from people associating his smiling face with the role of auditor.  That is a job for campaign ads, not for gas pumps with captive audiences.  When Swartzenegger ran for governor, California TV stations could not show his movies because doing so would have given him free face-time his opponent wasn't getting.  This was premised on the idea that public face-time has an inherent campaign value.

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« Reply #131 on: December 01, 2008, 01:45:34 PM »
I don't know if I totally agree with you 327, but you do bring up a valid point....and it occurs to me that I never really gave it a second thought on how subtle it was.
Very clever.

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« Reply #132 on: December 01, 2008, 01:52:15 PM »
It's wrong.  I'm actually surprised KJP disagrees.

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« Reply #133 on: December 01, 2008, 01:57:13 PM »
"Mayor Lansky" -- Sounds trustworthy, doesn't he?

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« Reply #134 on: December 01, 2008, 02:48:06 PM »
I like the pictures. I enjoy seeing the countless imaginative ways people deface his fugly mug on gas pumps all over the county. Plus out of towners always ask "what's the deal with that mafia dude's face on gas pumps?" which I find hilarious as well.

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« Reply #135 on: December 01, 2008, 03:09:26 PM »
I like the pictures. I enjoy seeing the countless imaginative ways people deface his fugly mug on gas pumps all over the county. Plus out of towners always ask "what's the deal with that mafia dude's face on gas pumps?" which I find hilarious as well.

That's my point... in no way do these stickers reflect well on our county.  The fact that non-locals are taken aback by it speaks volumes about how unacceptable it is.  I think the stickers alone were grounds to impeach him.
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« Reply #136 on: December 01, 2008, 03:12:07 PM »
I like the pictures. I enjoy seeing the countless imaginative ways people deface his fugly mug on gas pumps all over the county. Plus out of towners always ask "what's the deal with that mafia dude's face on gas pumps?" which I find hilarious as well.

That's my point... in no way do these stickers reflect well on our county.  The fact that non-locals are taken aback by it speaks volumes about how unacceptable it is.  I think the stickers alone were grounds to impeach him.

Are you serious? Really, are you serious???
 
How old are you?

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« Reply #137 on: December 01, 2008, 03:23:55 PM »
I like the pictures. I enjoy seeing the countless imaginative ways people deface his fugly mug on gas pumps all over the county. Plus out of towners always ask "what's the deal with that mafia dude's face on gas pumps?" which I find hilarious as well.

That's my point... in no way do these stickers reflect well on our county.  The fact that non-locals are taken aback by it speaks volumes about how unacceptable it is.  I think the stickers alone were grounds to impeach him.

Are you serious? Really, are you serious???
 
How old are you?

Five hundred and three.  Using public funds for personal gain, particularly for political gain, is decidedly corrupt.  I'm amazed this is even questionable.  This next bit sounds like my parents talking, but it goes to show just how broad the tolerance for corruption has become in these parts.  C'mon-- you can think of other, more serious examples.  But the gas pump stickers are a slap in the face, a way of gloating at how little recourse we have.

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« Reply #138 on: December 01, 2008, 03:29:16 PM »
Five hundred and three.  Using public funds for personal gain, particularly for political gain, is decidedly corrupt.  I'm amazed this is even questionable.  This next bit sounds like my parents talking, but it goes to show just how broad the tolerance for corruption has become in these parts.  C'mon-- you can think of other, more serious examples.  But the gas pump stickers are a slap in the face, a way of gloating at how little recourse we have.

I think it's an interesting point. I'm not sure if I agree with you, necessarily, but it definitely has me thinking.

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« Reply #139 on: December 01, 2008, 03:40:34 PM »
so I guess every mayor, commisionner, council person, etc. across the country should never have their name/picture attached to a (x) product/service?
 
 

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« Reply #140 on: December 01, 2008, 03:59:27 PM »
so I guess every mayor, commisionner, council person, etc. across the country should never have their name/picture attached to a (x) product/service?

No, they should commission busts of themselves like Roman emperors. 

Of course they shouldn't!!!  Great day in the morning, I can't believe this discussion is taking place.  The office is bigger than the individual holding it.  The office deserves more respect.  That's argument B.  Argument A is that it's completely inappropriate to self-aggrandize with money intended for the peoples' work.  It's theft.  We pay the auditor's office to ensure the gas pumps are properly calibrated.  We pay for stickers to memorialize the inspection.  We do not pay this guy to print 10,000 pictures of his face!

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« Reply #141 on: December 01, 2008, 04:00:52 PM »
so I guess every mayor, commissioner, council person, etc. across the country should never have their name/picture attached to a (x) product/service?

No, they should commission busts of themselves like Roman emperors. 

Of course they shouldn't!!!  Great day in the morning, I can't believe this discussion is taking place.  The office is bigger than the individual holding it.  The office deserves more respect.  That's argument B.  Argument A is that it's completely inappropriate to self-aggrandize with money intended for the peoples' work.  It's theft.  We pay the auditor's office to ensure the gas pumps are properly calibrated.  We pay for stickers to memorialize the inspection.  We do not pay this guy to print 10,000 pictures of his face!

Prove your case.  All I hear is reasonable doubt.

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« Reply #142 on: December 01, 2008, 05:35:49 PM »
so I guess every mayor, commisionner, council person, etc. across the country should never have their name/picture attached to a (x) product/service?

No, they should commission busts of themselves like Roman emperors. 

Of course they shouldn't!!!  Great day in the morning, I can't believe this discussion is taking place.  The office is bigger than the individual holding it.  The office deserves more respect.  That's argument B.  Argument A is that it's completely inappropriate to self-aggrandize with money intended for the peoples' work.  It's theft.  We pay the auditor's office to ensure the gas pumps are properly calibrated.  We pay for stickers to memorialize the inspection.  We do not pay this guy to print 10,000 pictures of his face!

True.  But the "additions" one sometimes sees, particularly the jail bars since the scandal broke, are pretty damn funny.

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« Reply #143 on: December 01, 2008, 05:55:01 PM »
I think what you mean is I'm making allegations without backing them up.  I'm a citizen who feels ripped off.  I'm not the prosecutor and I'm not levying actual charges.  If I were, I would start with RC 2921.41 and 2913.02(A)(2).  The former defines theft in office, while the latter forbids exerting control over property beyond the scope of its owners' express or implied consent.  His campaign owns his campaign materials, while the county owns the inspection stickers.  It could be argued that the county's (i.e. people's) consent for putting personal images on county property at county cost has never been given.  Then again, it could be argued that it has.   

Edit:  I misspoke, he doesn't personally own his campaign materials, his campaign does.  Same difference.  The cost of printing all those pictures should not be covered with tax money.
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« Reply #144 on: December 01, 2008, 08:58:02 PM »
What picture appears on the ballot?

None, but if his did, I'd be upset at having paid for that too.  I'm not sure what you're getting at.  Clear electoral advantage is gained from people associating his smiling face with the role of auditor.  That is a job for campaign ads, not for gas pumps with captive audiences.  When Swartzenegger ran for governor, California TV stations could not show his movies because doing so would have given him free face-time his opponent wasn't getting.  This was premised on the idea that public face-time has an inherent campaign value.

What I'm saying is that name recognition is a bigger factor in the voting booth than knowing what someone looks like. And every county auditor in Ohio gets their name on gas pumps, and even some mayors including Cleveland's Frank Jackson -- whoever oversees the weights and measures staff. If you want to make a legit beef, having the mayors names on the pump inspections is a huge stretch since he doesn't directly oversee the weights and measures staff. An auditor oversees the director of said staff; a mayor oversees a departmental director who oversee the bureau or office of weights and measures. Why does the mayor's name end up on the gas pump? Name recognition.

Now can we please get back to a discussion of THE CUYAHOGA COUNTY COMMISSIONERS?!?!?!
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« Reply #145 on: December 03, 2008, 08:49:15 AM »
I realize eveyone hates the Cuyahoga County Commissioners, but some of this is way off base.

1.  Ohio is not the only state that has the county auditor, or some form of auditor, picture or name/seal of approval on gas pumps.  In fact, almost every state has this...similar to being required by law to display your food service license.  So get over that.  If you don't want to have the "tax payer paid free publicity/campaign advertsing/slap in the face" then change the law requiring fuel pumps to be inspected or to have that inspection prominantly displayed.

2.  The original PD article is filled with statements that are just wrong.  Funny how we are very critical of the PD for doing "poor journalism" on many other articles, but in articles where the Urban Ohio Message Board has the same general opinion being presented in the article, the PD and its journalistic integrity is miraculously spot on.  Did it ever occur to you that the same poor journalistic habits seen in other articles are on display here? 

Knowing personally many of the people listed in the article, I can assure you no one from the PD contacted them to have them confirm statements made by other people - they basically took their word for it and moved on.  Some of the accusations are flat out lies.


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« Reply #146 on: December 03, 2008, 10:35:48 AM »
I realize eveyone hates the Cuyahoga County Commissioners, but some of this is way off base.

I agree, and I think it's because its socially acceptable to pick on Italians.  You know of course, that all Italians have ties to the Mafia.  I only have to make one phone call!

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« Reply #147 on: December 03, 2008, 10:43:49 AM »
1.  Ohio is not the only state that has the county auditor, or some form of auditor, picture or name/seal of approval on gas pumps.  In fact, almost every state has this...similar to being required by law to display your food service license.  So get over that.  If you don't want to have the "tax payer paid free publicity/campaign advertsing/slap in the face" then change the law requiring fuel pumps to be inspected or to have that inspection prominantly displayed.
Seriously?  The way to not have Russo's name and face plastered on every gas pump is to not inspect them at all?  :roll:

I remember when the prominent word accross the center of the sticker read "Inspected".  Now it reads "Frank Russo".  Who authorized that change?  :police:

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« Reply #148 on: December 03, 2008, 10:45:10 AM »
I realize eveyone hates the Cuyahoga County Commissioners, but some of this is way off base.

Speak for yourself, not me.  Thank you.  ;)
 
 

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« Reply #149 on: December 03, 2008, 11:00:14 AM »
There's a big difference between the inspection stickers you see everywhere and these that have a politician's picture on them.  Why doesn't every inspection department include a portrait on their stickers?  Because it costs a lot more money than a text-only sticker!

Next time you get gas, look at the greyscale in those things.  It's intricate enough to slow down the printing process and increase the reject percentage by quite a bit, not to mention additional art time.  I used to set pricing at a printing company, so I'm not making all this up.

I have no problem with the name of the responsible party appearing on the sticker.  That is pretty much universal.  It serves a purpose (whose office do I call), and as basic text it adds zero to the stickers' cost.  The picture is very different.  It's rare if not unique in the inspection-sticker universe, its purpose is essentially political, and it jacks up the sticker cost.