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Offline kendall

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #60 on: August 31, 2006, 06:14:26 PM »
I hope that is just a lame stock rendering of some kind.  That plan is awful, just awful.  Those ugly massive towers surrounded by no mans land, a circular shape that has no relationship to the site.  I hope the final product looks nothing like this.

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #61 on: August 31, 2006, 06:22:22 PM »
I suspect this isn't any kind of real proposal for this, they just paid someone $500 to come up with a computer rendering to go with a press release. 

I really hope you're right because this is without a doubt the absolute worst proposal, conceptual or otherwise, that I have ever seen in this city in my lifetime.

And to think that Hamilton Co. would've allowed this company to be in charge of the banks...

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #62 on: August 31, 2006, 07:15:27 PM »
This is worse than the kroger garage! :-o Where is Samuel Hannaford when you need him..!? Why do we keep building crap!? A block on my Sim city looks 10X better than this block of shite.

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #63 on: August 31, 2006, 07:36:20 PM »
the buildings look like giant cheese graters though i dont take much stock in anything in the rendering.  i think all of us on this board should know by now that original concepts NEVER come to fruition.  Butler has grown a little bold with the aparent success of The Ascent which i can appreciate but these things just look terrible.  its as if he has taken the balcony arangement from the ascent slapped it on rectangular buildings and hit copy.  this is exactly why one developer should never have control of so much land.  they are replacing project with buildings that look like...projects. 

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #64 on: September 01, 2006, 04:53:10 AM »
The site is now up, complete with a comments/suggestions box.  We can all let them know just how much we love this project.

http://www.newportriverfront.com/

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #65 on: September 01, 2006, 07:18:38 AM »
^I just sent them a crap-ton of my feelings about this mess of a project!!!  Anywho here is an interesting article, maybe the announcement of this Newport thing will light a fire under the Banks project and really get things going to ensure that Cincy isn't beat to it by Nky.

The reaction from Ohio
'Good for everybody'
ENQUIRER STAFF REPORT
September 1, 2006

CINCINNATI - Hamilton County commissioners don't see a $600 million office, residential and retail development proposed for the Newport riverfront as a threat to their own $600 million riverfront commercial, residential and retail development known as The Banks in downtown Cincinnati.

"Generally, I think these projects are good for everybody on both sides of the river. I don't see it as a threat," Commissioner Pat DeWine said.

E-mail dklepal@enquirer.com, kperry@enquirer.com or jnewberry@enquirer.com
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060901/BIZ01/609010362
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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #66 on: September 01, 2006, 07:21:03 AM »
Another article...

Project planned for Newport
Corporex group has big plan for site where rivers meet
BY MIKE RUTLEDGE AND JON NEWBERRY | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITERS


NEWPORT - The Covington-based developer that walked away from The Banks development on Cincinnati's riverfront has been chosen to lead development of a 13-acre site at the confluence of the Ohio and Licking rivers and promises "big plans" - including office and residential high-rise buildings and retail.

Corporex Cos. and Boorn Partners beat out four other groups to develop the prime land, which commands views of both rivers and downtown Cincinnati.

http://news.nky.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20060901/BIZ01/609010352
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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #67 on: September 01, 2006, 07:42:05 AM »
I guess the name of the project should now be: "Ovation".  But anyways, I thought I'd make it a little easier to see the renderings so...here are some of the other images from the website:









And here is a recap of the other two renderings I posted earlier:



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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #68 on: September 01, 2006, 07:47:20 AM »
A few concerns given the new info in the new article...

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Guidugli gave a rough cost estimate of $600 million - the same amount as is estimated for the Banks. He was uncertain how much taxpayer money might be needed. The city told Corporex up front that the city had limited financial resources and that a developer must buy the land rather than receive it as a gift

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Butler said an undetermined amount of financial help would still be needed from the city, state and federal governments to make it happen.

This is exacltly the same situation as The Banks had, only they are even farther behind in their due diligence!  That last quote basically gives him an out, "undetermined" where is all this money going to come from?

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Parking garage revenue helped finance Newport on the Levee, but Guidugli wasn't sure the city could do the same with this project.

I believe NOTL has yet to make a payment back to whatever gov'nt issued the bonds for the garage and construction, I am sure the State of KY is aware of this breach of contract and will be leary to fund much larger garages in the same city.

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But to lift the "ground level" to the height of the earthen levee, parking garages must be built on stilts, in the same way Corporex's RiverCenter towers were elevated by parking levels.

People forget that the City of Covington and the State of Kentucky paid the entire cost of the garages for the entire RiverCenter development, these were massive tax dollars given to the project.

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City officials and Butler said they would integrate the development with the rest of Newport. Officials will hold community meetings to give Newport residents input, Butler said.

My concerns here are twofold: one, given the rendering, nice try (I know it is just an early concept, but they have a long, long way to go here), two, I believe Newport does not slope up the way the Cincinnati side does and remains pretty flat.  If the entire project is built 20-30 feet up on garages, at some point there is going to be a massive elevation change that must be made, not sure how you could integrate this in a subtle manner.


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this is exactly why one developer should never have control of so much land.  they are replacing project with buildings that look like...projects. 

I was also shocked by Newport's choice of Corporex for the same reason.  They are going to be playing Newport against Covington for their office space.  There is still plenty of space available in RiverCenter, as well as the final phase planned for the parking lot behind the Embassy Suites as well.  Furthermore, Corporex owns and manages most of the hotels on the NKY riverfront.  The Greater Cincinnati hotel market has been at or near the bottom of the hotel market for years now, do you think Butler is going to build another hotel on the riverfront to compete with an already soft market and the bulk of his portfolio?


Finally, this thing is now as big as The Banks; it is obviously not nearly thought out as well as The Banks plan was, even at its inception, nor do I believe does the State of KY, Campbell County, or the City of Newport have the resources that the Ohio side does to throw into this project.  Remember The Banks plan was conceived by the Riverfront Advisors, a committee of the best and brightest in town and the plan, costs, and revenues were extremely detailed. This thing is just based on the City of Newport's analysis and the internal analysis of Corporex.  Also, the Banks plan was heavily reliant on parking revenues, for which there is a market at the Banks, not so in Newport.  The Banks has the downtown office market and the stadium events from which to draw revenue, where is the demand for parking in Newport if they are going to rely on it?  If they are not going to rely on parking revenue, it is just another chunk of money the taxpayers will have to pony up.

So, I would not hold my breath on this project starting anytime soon.


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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #69 on: September 01, 2006, 08:01:01 AM »
^Very good points.....very true and very daunting for Newport.
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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #70 on: September 01, 2006, 08:40:11 AM »
This Post article has a lot more details. None of the pics below show a "community amphitheater"? I was surprised to hear that the size and cost is comparable to the Banks. They will be endlessly compared now. At least the Banks has a 6 year head start.

Major facelift for riverfront

By Greg Paeth
Post staff reporter

The once dreary northwest corner of Newport would become the glitziest stretch of riverfront real estate in Greater Cincinnati if a developer can deliver on its vision.

A riverfront amphitheater, a 3,000-seat Las Vegas-style showroom, high-rise office towers - one 25 stories tall - two hotels, a variety of retailers and more than 1,000 condominiums and townhouses are all part of the vision in a project estimated to cost at least $600 million.

http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060901/NEWS01/609010338
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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #71 on: September 01, 2006, 11:01:40 AM »
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Current plans call for 114,000 square feet of small retail shops as well as another 88,000 square feet of space that could be used by anchor retailers in what is being called "Jubilee Circle."

"Jubilee Circle"?  WTF!  That is about the dumbest name I have ever heard, either someone's kid named it or it is going to be an X-Men based theme.  Cyclops Tower, Wolverine Promenade and Magneto Way are sure to follow!

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #72 on: September 01, 2006, 11:09:07 AM »
If this monster gets built, I am sure it will change its looks several times (I hope). This would be Newport's Museum Tower (Louisville style). OUCH!!!

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #73 on: September 01, 2006, 11:14:18 AM »
Kentucky is a hoot, isn't it?  First, Slavery Jenga in Luhlvulle, then the Nike Swoosh in Covington, and now Le Corbusier + Stanley Kubrick = Newport's Robert Moses moderne take.

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #74 on: September 01, 2006, 11:36:41 AM »
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this is exactly why one developer should never have control of so much land.  they are replacing project with buildings that look like...projects. 

LOL.  That's exactly what I thought when I opened the paper this morning. I told my wife "look, there going to put projects up next to Newport on the Levee".

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #75 on: September 01, 2006, 11:39:47 AM »
It does look as if Kentucky is in the lead (by a great distance) in the race to build the worst/ugliest projects in America.  They somehow manage to screw up every piece of valuable waterfront property in the state.

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #76 on: September 01, 2006, 11:53:24 AM »
They talk about Newport not having a focus, well, what about the World Peace Bell?! 

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #77 on: September 01, 2006, 12:58:09 PM »
Does anyone know who the architect / designer is?

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #78 on: September 01, 2006, 01:01:59 PM »
^I just sent them a crap-ton of my feelings about this mess of a project!!!

Here is their response...with my original questions/comments that I sent them at the end:

Date: Fri 1 Sep 13:00:40 EDT 2006
From: "Ovation at Corporex.com" <Ovation@corporex.com> Add To Address Book | This is Spam
Subject: RE: Comment From newportriverfront.com
To: <simesra@email.uc.edu>


Thank you for your interest in Ovation. 

The renderings that were made public on Thursday are preliminary visions
of the use of the space.  The renderings were done by Hellmuth Obata
Kassabaum (HOK) one of the top 10 global architectural practices.
 

HOK started with an evaluation of the site considering views to and from
the site, existing infrastructure, existing connections and connections
that need to be made to weave the site into the larger community.  From
this they created a massing plan for a mixed use community (residential,
office, retail, lodging, public green spaces and more) that delivered
the content that Corporex and Boorn Partners believed would best serve
the region. 

To be clear, the renderings shown do not represent the final design.
Exterior finishes, exact building placement, sq footages and more will
all be reviewed and most likely optimized as we move forward.  City,
Public and market influences will all be considered before the plan is
finalized.

What we hope to do with these renderings is to give an idea of what
could be.  I hope you see, as we do, the potential to create a world
class river city.  The potential to create an engine of prosperity that
radiates positive energy and growth through out Newport and beyond,
lifting the entire region.

Please watch the web site for updates.  Once the Master Development
Agreement is in place our plan is to create opportunities for more
detailed explanation of the plans and public input.





Comment/Question from the newportriverfront.com web site...
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 Name: Randy Simes
Email: simesra@email.uc.edu


Question/Comment:
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-Why are the smaller mid-rises in the middle with the taller high-rises
on the outside...it could be flip-floped so that everyone has river/Cincy
views

-Why is there such a disparity amoung bldg heights....you've got 3 story
bldgs, and then 25 story bldgs inserted throughout (some consistancy
would be nice)

-Why do all of the bldg styles/architectures have to be
identical....isn't that what you had there previously and that you are trying to get away
from (a mega-block development)

-Much of the presented green space looks to be unusable/will be under
utilized....simply placing strips of grass periodicaly throughout a
development does not do the trick of creating a vibrant urban park
network....this greenspace could be reworked to create larger swaths of
open area, while at the same time creating a development that appears to
be denser.

-The project also seems to trounce all over the existing urban fabric of
Newport...it seems as though this project could be inserted in Anywhere
USA, instead of being specifically geared to the Nky and Cincinnati
riverfront.
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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #79 on: September 01, 2006, 06:54:54 PM »
Somebody needs to send them the link to urbanohio so they can see how real urbanists think.

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #80 on: September 01, 2006, 07:14:47 PM »
So anyone going to break this off to it's own thread? Subj. Newport Riverfront: Ovation or something. Though based on comments it could become another Hope VI project. I'm going to reserve judgment, but it does seem the spacing of the buildings is odd. Is everyone going to have to drive around in the circle to get to work. ;-)
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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #81 on: September 01, 2006, 07:55:28 PM »
Rando;
I liked your questions, and their answers seem about what I thought.  It is all very preliminary. Massing, heights, uses will all change.  But the attitude shown in the renderings does represent view that is generally destructive to urban life.   

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #82 on: September 01, 2006, 08:20:15 PM »
A 3,000-seat Vegas-style performance space? What on earth are they going to show there?

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #83 on: September 02, 2006, 12:03:35 AM »
Nick Lachey.  Duh.
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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #84 on: September 02, 2006, 02:00:54 AM »
98 Degrees on Ice.

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #85 on: September 02, 2006, 06:43:04 AM »
KY. effort is area catalyst
BY JON NEWBERRY | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER


A Corporex Cos. executive said Friday that negotiating a deal with the city of Newport to develop 13 acres at the confluence of the Ohio and Licking rivers was easier than working out a deal to develop the Banks because there were so few competing interests.

Corporex executive vice president Tom Banta said it's possible that the Covington-based developer could fail to reach an agreement with Newport as it did with Hamilton County on the Banks. But, he said, Newport has at least one big advantage: The site is essentially controlled by a single entity, the city of Newport.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060902/BIZ01/609020385/1076/BIZ
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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #86 on: September 02, 2006, 07:48:28 AM »
A 3,000-seat Vegas-style performance space? What on earth are they going to show there?

Bronson Arroyo in the offseason.

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« Reply #87 on: September 02, 2006, 09:04:11 AM »
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The Newport site, opposite downtown Cincinnati at the confluence of the Ohio and Licking rivers, also offers opportunities to create great views - something Corporex found to be highly valuable when it began marketing the Ascent condominium tower in Covington.

The Banks site, which sits between two stadiums and is limited by building-height restrictions, doesn't afford the same kinds of views, Banta said.


No shit.

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #88 on: September 02, 2006, 12:44:08 PM »
There essentially is no story here, it's basically just a press release insinuating that The Banks is not only a mess but doomed to play second fiddle to this.  It's picking a fight while claiming there is no competition. 

Eh:

"The best thing that could happen is that they both accelerate and gain traction," Banta said.

"Newport is starting from a much higher level," Banta said, citing the success of Newport on the Levee and the Newport Aquarium. "They've got traction. That's a huge advantage."




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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #89 on: September 02, 2006, 01:30:50 PM »
its been a while since I posted anything on the entire site but I HAVE to chime in on this. That projects looks hideous. I hope they aren't going to emphasize retail there because if any of you have been to the levee lately it hasn't even managed to fill up its second floor so how are they going to attract retail to this horrid thing. (leaving aside the fact that building new retail or office space causes old spaces to fill up more too because that force is marginal in this instance.)  as for the banks not having a view thats because kentucky doesn't have a skyline lol. its not supposed to have a view its supposed to be practical which it is. when I'm sitting at home thinking about whether to go to kenwood mall or the levee  or florence etc I don't often stop and ask myself "what view am I in the mood for " nor would companies ask that about the office space they would be leasing for their employees. I sincerely hope this thing is some kind of practical joke. my other question is if it were to look anything like that where are the streets? would it cut into newport through traffic?