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« Reply #450 on: July 02, 2017, 11:08:13 AM »
This seems like edifice-itis by trustees who don't know what else to do. Is construction what Tri-C really needs? They should work on a quality faculty and better academics first.
Such short sighted thinking. It's not an either/or proposition. It should be both. Tri-C's new construction plans could be catalytic, particularly around the metro campus. I don't know how anyone could think that's a bad thing

Studies show that given a sound roof and basic sanitation facilities, the school building itself has little or no effect on the quality of education. Asking for a 25-year (i.e. permanent) tax increase for some unknown construction project says the Tri-C administration has not done its homework. Based on what we know so far, voters should defeat the tax.
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« Reply #451 on: July 02, 2017, 11:35:02 AM »
This seems like edifice-itis by trustees who don't know what else to do. Is construction what Tri-C really needs? They should work on a quality faculty and better academics first.
Such short sighted thinking. It's not an either/or proposition. It should be both. Tri-C's new construction plans could be catalytic, particularly around the metro campus. I don't know how anyone could think that's a bad thing

Studies show that given a sound roof and basic sanitation facilities, the school building itself has little or no effect on the quality of education. Asking for a 25-year (i.e. permanent) tax increase for some unknown construction project says the Tri-C administration has not done its homework. Based on what we know so far, voters should defeat the tax.

What "unknown construction project" are you referring to?  The article clearly states what the projects are going to be.  Most seem to address "sound roof and basic sanitation facilities" or are STEM field related- an area of high need that has special requirements for educational space.

In a metro without a sizeable, major, national university to help feed our local populace and work force with a continuing stream of top notch graduates each year (think: OSU) - bolstering the visibility of our already way-too-locally-prominent community college is what the region's taxpayers should be asked to directly support? I just don't get it...

What's a "major, national university"?  Case doesn't qualify?  And since we don't have one we shouldn't invest in the universities we do have?  You're afraid that by making CCC better that people will notice it exists?  I really don't get your point.

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« Reply #452 on: July 02, 2017, 12:32:25 PM »

What "unknown construction project" are you referring to?  The article clearly states what the projects are going to be.  Most seem to address "sound roof and basic sanitation facilities" or are STEM field related- an area of high need that has special requirements for educational space.

The article seems pretty vague to me. Yes, a few generic projects are named, but they are undefined even in the phase II plan. How can they possibly know how much money they need? And if they want a tax increase for routine maineneance, they have mismanaged their facilities.
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« Reply #453 on: July 02, 2017, 01:44:51 PM »
What's a "major, national university"?  Case doesn't qualify?  And since we don't have one we shouldn't invest in the universities we do have?  You're afraid that by making CCC better that people will notice it exists?  I really don't get your point.

He's probably referring to the fact that Ohio State University and University of Cincinnati are large state universities. Case Western Reserve University is academically on par with the best schools in the country, but it's a relatively small (~5,000 undergraduates and ~6,000 postgraduates) private school whose enrollment is international in character, meaning it's almost certain that a smaller proportion of them stay in Cleveland after graduation in comparison to those moving to attend OSU and UC. And yes, while we do have Cleveland State, I'd argue that beyond its smaller size (about half as many students as UC and a quarter as many as OSU), it's in no way an actual peer, whether academically or in prestige, to the major public universities in Cincinnati and Columbus.
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« Reply #454 on: July 02, 2017, 02:03:54 PM »
This discussion sheds light on why I love Ronald Berkman leading CSU. I know he has caught some criticism - most notably for his comfortable lifestyle - but he has done an incredible job with Cleveland State.

If we were to look at the Campus District in 2010 versus what it is now it is not even comparable. The new nursing, NEOMed, Student Center, and now engineering buildings are incredible. Not to mention the fact that in 2008, there were about 900 CSU students living full time in the campus district. Next fall there will be over 5,000. From what I have heard, it is Berkman's vision to leave the school as an "actual" college campus. I know some years back there was talk of changing the school's name to Cleveland University, but I'm not certain that would make a huge difference with perception. All in all, I think we could have a very, very nice, expansive university by 2022.

The major issue with housing is the lack of traditional "front porch" housing that so many schools rely upon, such as Ohio State and UC. The Langston has been a nice addition and the Edge looks to be a fun addition as well, but I wouldn't mind seeing a surface lot converted into college-appropriate row homes.

The addition of lacrosse has been a terrific move as well, as the Vikings have only the 2nd D1 lax program in the state.

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« Reply #455 on: July 02, 2017, 07:33:22 PM »
This begs the question...how do universities grow to become an OSU or UC in size and prestige? How does CSU become a more academically elite university? I would imagine the answer involves numerous factors and hopefully CSU is heading in the right direction. It would be amazing for CSU to one day be one of the premiere state universities in Ohio, and right in the middle of our downtown core! Is that even possible?

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« Reply #456 on: July 02, 2017, 11:57:33 PM »
No, not for this thread it doesn't.  You're more than welcome to refer that conversation to this thread, though:

https://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,10753.315.html

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« Reply #457 on: July 03, 2017, 09:02:28 AM »
"They should work on a quality faculty and better academics first."
"bolstering the visibility of our already way-too-locally-prominent community college is what the region's taxpayers should be asked to directly support? "
"Studies show that given a sound roof and basic sanitation facilities, the school building itself has little or no effect on the quality of education."
"And if they want a tax increase for routine maineneance, they have mismanaged their facilities."


For the first time in my time on UrbanOhio i had to walk away from the computer.

First, A large metro region should have both a strong, modern, functional CC and a mix of state universities and private colleges. They can all co-exist, they won't hurt each other. Not everyone is going to go for a bachelor's right away, and not everyone SHOULD be at a four year. The trends are showing that more jobs will require at least an associates' or some training and these are decent paying jobs, and that people will be "thinking twice" before sending their kids off to college for 50K in debt. We're already seeing it in Pennsylvania with our state university enrollment (I am aware this isnt the ONLY reason).

Second, I pointed out earlier in the thread that there is STILL a frightening level of disdain for Community Colleges in this part of the country, which has an effect on retention and graduation rates, something that the south and west are killing us at. Why? They have modern facilities, modern programs that fit their areas, and fantastic matriculation agreements and partnerships with their local universities and colleges. We need to get on board with the rest of the country.
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« Reply #458 on: July 03, 2017, 09:30:18 AM »
"They should work on a quality faculty and better academics first."
"bolstering the visibility of our already way-too-locally-prominent community college is what the region's taxpayers should be asked to directly support? "
"Studies show that given a sound roof and basic sanitation facilities, the school building itself has little or no effect on the quality of education."
"And if they want a tax increase for routine maineneance, they have mismanaged their facilities."

For the first time in my time on UrbanOhio i had to walk away from the computer.

First, A large metro region should have both a strong, modern, functional CC and a mix of state universities and private colleges. They can all co-exist, they won't hurt each other. Not everyone is going to go for a bachelor's right away, and not everyone SHOULD be at a four year. The trends are showing that more jobs will require at least an associates' or some training and these are decent paying jobs, and that people will be "thinking twice" before sending their kids off to college for 50K in debt. We're already seeing it in Pennsylvania with our state university enrollment (I am aware this isnt the ONLY reason).

Second, I pointed out earlier in the thread that there is STILL a frightening level of disdain for Community Colleges in this part of the country, which has an effect on retention and graduation rates, something that the south and west are killing us at. Why? They have modern facilities, modern programs that fit their areas, and fantastic matriculation agreements and partnerships with their local universities and colleges. We need to get on board with the rest of the country.
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« Reply #459 on: July 03, 2017, 10:47:46 AM »
One of our nation's' best CCs..... in Boston.

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Re: Cleveland: Campus District
« Reply #460 on: July 08, 2017, 12:46:55 PM »
Just noticed the "Norton Furniture Building" is for sale. Would make an awesome residential conversion....

2106-2108 Payne Ave
Cleveland, OH 44114 · 113,000 SF · Industrial For Sale $3,000,000
http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/20377393/2106-2108-Payne-Ave-Cleveland-OH/

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« Reply #461 on: July 10, 2017, 08:55:21 AM »
Just noticed the "Norton Furniture Building" is for sale. Would make an awesome residential conversion....

2106-2108 Payne Ave
Cleveland, OH 44114 · 113,000 SF · Industrial For Sale $3,000,000
http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/20377393/2106-2108-Payne-Ave-Cleveland-OH/



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« Reply #462 on: July 10, 2017, 03:47:28 PM »
Much history in that building.  Trent Reznor worked in the studio there while working on Pretty Hate Machine.

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« Reply #463 on: July 14, 2017, 02:57:15 PM »
I think it would be great to see Cleveland State's campus presence expand north.

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« Reply #464 on: July 14, 2017, 03:21:27 PM »
Luxury' student housing opens in downtown Cleveland

The lights are going on at the newest downtown Cleveland residential project, the 11-story student housing project called The Edge on Euclid.Early move-ins — before the fall college year — began July 1, according to the developers of the 240-suite complex, CRG, a St. Louis, Mo.-based design-builder, and Koman Group, a real estate developer and owner with offices in St. Louis, Mo., and San Diego.The structure at 1750 Euclid Ave. is described as "luxury student housing" as it offers …

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170714/NEWS/170719861/luxury-student-housing-opens-in-downtown-cleveland

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« Reply #465 on: July 17, 2017, 04:34:12 PM »
First Off-Campus Student Housing High Rise in Downtown Cleveland Opens for Its Doors
JULY 17, 2017   

CLEVELAND, OH - CRG and The Koman Group have begun leasing for The Edge on Euclid, a luxury housing complex with top-of-the-line amenities and private community spaces. Located directly across from Cleveland State University, the new development neighbors the Playhouse Square District.

The building includes 240 residential suites with a fitness center, lounge, café, study areas and a 163-car secured garage. Each of the one- to four fully furnished bedroom suites include a living room, kitchen, granite countertops, spacious closets, washer/dryer and a private bath for each bedroom.  Outside, tenants can enjoy a private outdoor amenity courtyard and the 11th floor sky deck with spectacular views of University's main campus and the downtown Cleveland area.

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http://www.multifamilybiz.com/News/7775/First_OffCampus_Student_Housing_High_Rise_in_Downt...
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« Reply #466 on: July 24, 2017, 10:57:21 PM »
More Edge news....

Moving on up: The Edge on Euclid is downtown's first off-campus student housing high-rise.
KARIN CONNELLY RICE | MONDAY, JULY 24, 2017

A 262,000-square-foot, 11-story luxury apartment building is not only the newest addition to the skyline, but the first of its kind in downtown Cleveland—meeting demand for both high-end off-campus student housing and affordable urban apartments for the young professional crowd.
 
Enter the Edge on Euclid (1750 Euclid Ave.), which sits just adjacent to Cleveland State University and Playhouse Square. Along with close proximity to campus and culture, the building also offers a quick commute to schools like Case Western Reserve in University Circle and a central location for recent graduates just launching their careers in Cleveland.
 
The Edge is the first new residential construction project in the Campus District in more than 10 years, according to developers St. Louis-based CRG and San Diego-based Koman Group, which began eyeing the former Jewish Federation property around 2014.

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http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/breaking-ground/TheEdge072417.aspx
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« Reply #467 on: September 18, 2017, 12:01:20 PM »
From Friday night as we headed over to Han Chinese Kabob & Grill in Asiatown for dinner.....

20170915_191849[1] by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr

http://campusdistrict.org/global-x-rehab-2101-superior-underway/

Global X Rehab of 2101 Superior Underway!

Global X has begun their extensive rehabilitation of the historic K.K. Holmes Building on 2101 Superior Ave., also known over the past 25+ years as the “Daffy Dan” building. Once a part of Cleveland’s historic garment district, the building is now being renovated for Global X’s corporate headquarters with two floors to house other businesses.The project is expected to be complete by December 2017. A statement on the project reads: “It is estimated that 139 construction jobs and 15 permanent jobs will be created as a result of this redevelopment project, in addition to the 20 jobs being moved to the Superior Arts Corridor as a result of global X’s relocation.”

While the rehabilitation goes on in 2101 Superior, Daffy Dan’s has moved temporarily into a separate building across Superior. Once completed, Daffy Dan’s is set to return to the building on the first floor, with Global X utilizing the majority of upper floors.
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« Reply #468 on: September 18, 2017, 01:00:48 PM »
That's such a great looking building.  I'm always amazed at how much lighter the real color of the brick is on these buildings, too.

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« Reply #469 on: September 18, 2017, 01:52:46 PM »
I forgot all about this development, amongst all the bigger developments in the heart of the CBD. So when I drove past it, I couldn't remember what the project was.
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« Reply #470 on: September 18, 2017, 02:11:46 PM »
It really is amazing how much is going on in the city right now, especially considering where things were just a few years ago.

I go to Columbus often and it's really impressive seeing all those cranes in the air. Upon further investigation though, a lot of those buildings are only six stories. Similar in size to the majority of new apartments/developments getting built here.

Imagine if there was a crane over every midrise building going up here. That would look pretty cool.

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« Reply #471 on: September 18, 2017, 02:33:46 PM »
I didn't realize Daffy Dan was still a thing. I remember one of his suburban stores near me growing up but it's no longer. He has been lax with his marketing of recent - he probably was ahead of his time now that you have Homage, CLE Clothing Company, etc.

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« Reply #472 on: September 18, 2017, 02:45:29 PM »
It really is amazing how much is going on in the city right now, especially considering where things were just a few years ago.

I go to Columbus often and it's really impressive seeing all those cranes in the air. Upon further investigation though, a lot of those buildings are only six stories. Similar in size to the majority of new apartments/developments getting built here.

Imagine if there was a crane over every midrise building going up here. That would look pretty cool.

I've noticed that same thing in Columbus. A lot of mid-rise buildings that you look at and wonder "why is there a crane? It's only 5-6 stories high". Are there regional building methods/codes that would drive a developer in Columbus to use a crane where if the same building was built in Cleveland there wouldn't be one?

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« Reply #473 on: September 19, 2017, 09:13:04 AM »
It really is amazing how much is going on in the city right now, especially considering where things were just a few years ago.

I go to Columbus often and it's really impressive seeing all those cranes in the air. Upon further investigation though, a lot of those buildings are only six stories. Similar in size to the majority of new apartments/developments getting built here.

Imagine if there was a crane over every midrise building going up here. That would look pretty cool.

I've noticed that same thing in Columbus. A lot of mid-rise buildings that you look at and wonder "why is there a crane? It's only 5-6 stories high". Are there regional building methods/codes that would drive a developer in Columbus to use a crane where if the same building was built in Cleveland there wouldn't be one?

There was a good conversation going on in the Centric thread about "4 over 1" and "5 over 2" construction for these 5-7 floor apartment buildings.  Note that in the photos there's a crane for that one as well.

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« Reply #474 on: September 19, 2017, 09:26:46 AM »
Is there prefabrication? If so, you'll need a crane to haul the components. It's also easier to just lift materials up by crane than by a service elevator.

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« Reply #475 on: September 19, 2017, 09:38:16 AM »
It really is amazing how much is going on in the city right now, especially considering where things were just a few years ago.

I go to Columbus often and it's really impressive seeing all those cranes in the air. Upon further investigation though, a lot of those buildings are only six stories. Similar in size to the majority of new apartments/developments getting built here.

Imagine if there was a crane over every midrise building going up here. That would look pretty cool.
It's not about the height as much as it is the site size, and the constraints of staging a crane, and being able to boom out.  If you rememebr, Stonebridge in Cleveland was 12 stories, but was still able to go without a tower crane.  There was plenty of room to move a crane around and boom.  You could have a super tight site however with building on either side that require a crane to be above the site versus on it.  Snavely project on 25th and Detroit had to be darn close to needing a tower crane as the utilized that whole site. 

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« Reply #476 on: September 19, 2017, 09:43:09 AM »
^ Would it also be correlated to available, skilled man power?

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« Reply #477 on: September 19, 2017, 11:05:32 AM »
It really is amazing how much is going on in the city right now, especially considering where things were just a few years ago.

I go to Columbus often and it's really impressive seeing all those cranes in the air. Upon further investigation though, a lot of those buildings are only six stories. Similar in size to the majority of new apartments/developments getting built here.

Imagine if there was a crane over every midrise building going up here. That would look pretty cool.
It's not about the height as much as it is the site size, and the constraints of staging a crane, and being able to boom out.  If you rememebr, Stonebridge in Cleveland was 12 stories, but was still able to go without a tower crane.  There was plenty of room to move a crane around and boom.  You could have a super tight site however with building on either side that require a crane to be above the site versus on it.  Snavely project on 25th and Detroit had to be darn close to needing a tower crane as the utilized that whole site.

Site constraints are what I believe it comes down to. Most of the Columbus sites are right on High Street, which is their main thoroughfare and right in the dense university district and busy downtown area.

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« Reply #478 on: September 19, 2017, 03:09:47 PM »
I drove through Columbus this past weekend and thought the same thing.

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« Reply #479 on: September 19, 2017, 07:06:02 PM »
It really is amazing how much is going on in the city right now, especially considering where things were just a few years ago.

I go to Columbus often and it's really impressive seeing all those cranes in the air. Upon further investigation though, a lot of those buildings are only six stories. Similar in size to the majority of new apartments/developments getting built here.

Imagine if there was a crane over every midrise building going up here. That would look pretty cool.
It's not about the height as much as it is the site size, and the constraints of staging a crane, and being able to boom out.  If you rememebr, Stonebridge in Cleveland was 12 stories, but was still able to go without a tower crane.  There was plenty of room to move a crane around and boom.  You could have a super tight site however with building on either side that require a crane to be above the site versus on it.  Snavely project on 25th and Detroit had to be darn close to needing a tower crane as the utilized that whole site.

Site constraints are what I believe it comes down to. Most of the Columbus sites are right on High Street, which is their main thoroughfare and right in the dense university district and busy downtown area.

And for this reason I give Cleveland all the credit in the world for the flowering and exciting CSU campus district.  Unlike Short North and University District, Columbus is the near 150-year old home to internationally-renowned OSU which has 58,000 students who have historically been residential.  Cleveland/CSU created something out of pretty much nothing.  Until only a decade or so ago, CSU was a cold, concrete commuter-student jungle.  It was a dead zone of fast foods and honky-tonk rip-off joints not really catering to students immediately after Playhouse Square.  Those converted mixed-use apt/retail buildings a decade ago at 1900 Euclid was a start... Now it is a lush residential college town of green grass, lots of budding student apartments and dorms and bright, increasingly lively commercial district of old and new mixed use buildings.  The movement between PHS and CSU is becoming almost seamless (save the gaudy archway screaming Playhouse Square).  The Edge is already up and running and soon (X your fingers) we'll have the 32-story PHS apt tower which will further spill over into Campus District... It's all good!