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Re: Cleveland: Old Brooklyn Neighborhood Discussion
« Reply #210 on: February 25, 2009, 12:13:47 PM »
New blog all about Old Brooklyn and the many great things here:
http://oldbrooklyn.blogspot.com/


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« Reply #211 on: March 09, 2009, 08:41:43 AM »
http://realneo.us/content/brooklyn-centre-old-brooklyn-targeted-slice-and-dice-council-leadership#comment-9859

There is some discussion on the proposed ward redistricing that relates to Old Brooklyn and Brooklyn Centre.  Although the commission has stated that keeping defined neighborhoods together - this appears not to apply to Brooklyn Centre and Old Brooklyn.

The OBCDC's service area currently consists of Ward 15 and 16.  If the same ward boudnaries were used - Old Brooklyn/Brooklyn Centre would be split amongst 4 wards!  Old Brooklyn/Brooklyn Center would share councilmen with Slavic Village, Tremont, Clark-Metro, and Kelley would remain Ward 16 in Old Brooklyn. 

This boggles my mind that the redistricting is being done in such a way just to eliminate one west side councilman and one east side councilman.

I would imagine it is all political posturing - but logic tells me that the east side should lose two councilmen as the population decline has been greater there.

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Re: Cleveland: Old Brooklyn Neighborhood Discussion
« Reply #212 on: March 10, 2009, 07:05:59 AM »
Thank's for continuing the conversation here.

Here is the latest posts on the Plan Dealer:

Cleveland Councilman Brian Cummins wants an alternative to carving up his ward in redistricting

Posted by Henry J. Gomez/Plain Dealer Reporter March 09, 2009
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/03/redistricting_worries_clevelan.html

EDITORIAL
As Cleveland draws new ward lines, it should let the public in on the process - editorial

Tuesday, March 10, 2009
http://www.cleveland.com/editorials/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/opinion/1236673945178760.xml&coll=2

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Re: Cleveland: Old Brooklyn Neighborhood Discussion
« Reply #213 on: March 10, 2009, 09:50:19 PM »
An email I received from Darren Hamm from Brooklyn Centre.
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Do you know what is happening to your neighborhood this week? If Cleveland City Council has its’ say...we are all in for a big change. If you care about the future of your neighborhood you will join with us on Monday, March 16 on the steps of City Hall at 6:00pm.

In November 2008, we saw the passage of a ballot initiative that provides Cleveland City Council the ability to redraw our ward boundaries. It was stated publicly that Council’s process and goals for redistricting would seek to protect the integrity, as well as historic and natural boundaries of Cleveland’s neighborhoods. In reality, the effort is revealing itself as another great exercise in the time-honored tradition of gerrymandering.

What’s most disheartening about this process is not merely “politicians being politicians” by securing their power structures and eliminating their adversaries. Moreover it is the fact that we the residents and voters have no input about our own communities. That’s why we need to stand now against this action and demand that our voices be heard and our interests be considered.

The leadership of Cleveland City Council is planning to rush an approval of a map drawn up in the back rooms of City Hall without any of our input. If your fate is like that of Ward 15, you too may see your community cut into four pieces with it’s livelihood in the hands of rival political personalities. What will this mean for the valuable community services? What will this mean for the already disenfranchised and less fortunate?

Won’t you stand with us and ask, “what is happening to our neighborhoods”? We all work too hard to watch our hope and progress washed away by this political gesture. If we’ve learned anything in the past year, it’s that now more than ever we need thoughtful, innovative leadership. We’ve also learned that when we get together, united, our hopes can truly make change happen.

Please join us Monday, March 16th at 6:00pm on the steps of Cleveland City Hall at 601 Lakeside Avenue. We’ll proceed into the Monday evening Council hearing at 7:00pm. Attached is a flyer to be passed along to all. Bring friends, bring signs, and bring hope.

Together our voices will be heard. Together we can change the direction of our wonderful City.

Darren T. Hamm


For more information, see the following links:
http://realneo.us/content/cleveland-lose-strong-political-voice
http://realneo.us/content/brooklyn-centre-old-brooklyn-targeted-slice-and-dice-council-leadership
http://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/index.ssf/2009/03/many_questions_few_answers_for.html
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/03/cleveland_councilman_brian_cum.html
http://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/index.ssf/2009/03/old_brooklyn_citizens_schedule.html
http://www.cleveland.com/plaindealer/stories/index.ssf?/base/opinion/1236673945178760.xml&coll=2
http://www.cleveland.com/plaindealer/stories/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1236673917178760.xml&coll=2
http://blog.Cleveland.com/metro/2009/03/old_brooklyn_citizens_schedule.html

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« Reply #214 on: March 11, 2009, 07:41:02 AM »
There are also special meetings taking place across the neighborhood to try to have one united voice to express concerns about the effect this will have on positive neighborhood momentum.  Having the existing wards split amongst 4 wards could potentially retard any cohesion that has begun to develop amongst the two wards. 

With the possible split of the wards without utilizing natural boundaries - a person livng on one corner may have neighbors on both sides of the street in 3 different wards.  I could see this very difficult when it comes to master planning or priorities - the neighborhood would have to have the support of many more politicans to move any program forward. 

Hopefully with continued outcry from our neighbors against the way this redistricting is proposed - we can truly have an effect on the outcome. 

I have no problem with the wards having to be redrawn - i have an issue with the current proposal.  It rejects natural boundaries and splits a defined neighborhood amongst too many councilpeople. 

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« Reply #215 on: March 12, 2009, 09:02:20 AM »
Neighborhood integrity is important, but isn't OB larger and more populous than most?   

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« Reply #216 on: March 12, 2009, 09:25:11 AM »
OB is likely more populous then other areas of the city except maybe "West Park" which is actually divided amongst smaller neighborhoods.  We currently have 2 councilmen that serve OB - with the new plan we could have 4!  I would estimate that OB has around 40,000 residents...so having more then one is understandable.

Dividing a unified neighborhood amongst 4 councilmen with competing needs in their existing wards will not benefit OB.  OB residents needs are very different then those in Slavic Village, Clark/Metro, Ohio City, Tremont, Downtown, etc.  We all live in the same city - but specific needs really vary. 

One of the other concerns is how is the OBCDC going to be funded with 4 councilpeople have various other CDC's to fund as well?  As of now, OBCDC receives funds from Ward 15/16 - they do not fund any other CDC.  Cimperman would be funding Downtown Alliance, Tremont West, Ohio City, possibily still the St.Clair/Superior neighborhood, and OB also?  Brancatelli would fund at least 2, Santiago at least 4...the only council ward to remain within one CDC service area is Ward 16 -  Kelley.

The way that the wards are being redrawn will have a significant impact on the residents and the ability of the CDC to move projects ahead.

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« Reply #217 on: March 12, 2009, 09:26:49 AM »
Have any maps been released?

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« Reply #218 on: March 12, 2009, 09:53:28 AM »
yea - you can see a split Ward 15 at the following link.  This is only a PROPOSAL though - it is likely the final version will be some variation of this. 

 http://realneo.us/system/files/Proposed+Ward+15+neighborhood+split+-+2010.jpg

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« Reply #219 on: March 12, 2009, 10:36:17 AM »
Thanks.  That map is pretty absurd, so I hope cooler heads prevail.

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« Reply #220 on: March 12, 2009, 09:35:21 PM »


http://www.ohiodailyblog.com/content/anger-frustration-and-total-disapproval-over-cleveland-ward-15

Anger, Frustration and Total Disapproval Over Cleveland Ward 15
Submitted by Paul Schroeder on Wed, 03/11/2009 - 9:16pm.

About 100 Old Brooklyn residents expressed anger, frustration, and total disapproval of a proposed plan to put them into the current East Side Ward 12.

Ward 15 Councilman Brian Cummins said he was told by consultants working on a new ward plan for Cleveland that “we concentrated the pain so the whole city doesn’t feel it.”

That’s fine, but Ward 15 is about to get cut into four pieces with portions being added to Wards 12, 13, 14 and 16. Rumors persist that City Council will vote on the new ward plan on March 16. Cummins said he is pushing for an extension to March 30 but expects the vote will be March 23.

Last night’s meeting was sponsored by the South Hills Association. Many residents expressed dismay at the prospect of being lumped into a ward that includes Slavic Village and other areas on Cleveland’s Southeast section.

“God put the river there for a reason,” one angry resident said.

Old Brooklyn residents are worried that the diminishing property values and increasing crime in Ward 12 will wind up in the South Hills area.

“That’s a war zone over there with gangs. It’s like Iraq,” another resident exclaimed.

The key issue, Cummins said, is that the Old Brooklyn portion of Ward 15 is to be split three ways, which in his view “leads to disenfranchisement. You’ll have to drive through Newburgh Heights to get to the rest of your ward.”

Cummins said he is hoping to “tweak” the proposal to push about 3,000 residents destined for Ward 13 to be included with the South Hills area. This area is bordered by Valley Road on the east, Pearl Road on the west and Tampa Ave. on the south.

“Old Brooklyn will be divided,” Cummins said, “but my goal with this is to keep theses 3,000 residents with the ward so it is divided only two ways instead of three.”

Cummins outlined the history of the Ward 15 dismemberment to date and the politics of the decision. “The politics of this stinks,” Cummins said. “I’m not looking for sympathy but I’ve gotten screwed. My only goal now is to protect the neighborhood as much as possible.”

The South Hills Association has a four-fold plan of action over the next 10 days or so. First is to flood the phones of each of Cleveland’s 20 other city council members.

Second, round up “as many residents as possible” to attend Monday’s City Council meeting with a short protest on City Hall steps prior to the meeting.

Third, invite Councilmen Joe Cimperman (Ward 13) and Anthony Brancatelli (Ward 12) to a follow-up meeting next week to hear resident complaints first hand.

And fourth, perhaps seek a legal injunction to stop the proposal based on disenfranchisement criteria under Fair Voting Act.

“Don’t protest. Let’s sue them,” one resident said to great applause.

As an association, “we (the South Hills organization) can form a legal fund for that,” Association President Mary Ann Jannnazo said.

Lawyers in the neighborhood are studying whether an injunction to stop the proposal is possible.
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« Reply #221 on: March 13, 2009, 07:33:28 AM »
Hopefully Brancatelli would be willing to open an "western office" for his ward so that South Hills residents don't have to travel to the now existing Ward 12 office for service. 

Regardless of the outcome - this is really going to strain any master planning that has been in place as well as funding. 

All we can do is voice our opinion, be activie partcipants in the process and discussions and hope for the best.

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« Reply #222 on: March 13, 2009, 08:41:50 AM »
I'm convinced the split should be less goofy for OB.  Certainly not the proposal in that map.  But I really cringe when I hear "God put the river there for a reason."  That almost changes my mind, because it sounds like the same old east-west crapola.  God may have put the river there for a reason, but that reason had nothing to do with the people living in Slavic Village.

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« Reply #223 on: March 14, 2009, 04:31:27 PM »
According to Cleveland.com - Looks like OLGC will remain open.  This is great news for the neighborhood.

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« Reply #224 on: March 14, 2009, 04:56:43 PM »


I'm convinced the split should be less goofy for OB.  Certainly not the proposal in that map.  But I really cringe when I hear "God put the river there for a reason."  That almost changes my mind, because it sounds like the same old east-west crapola.  God may have put the river there for a reason, but that reason had nothing to do with the people living in Slavic Village.

no, it's not east or west thing for me, its knowing the area and knowing our problems. if i am going to lose ward 15. i would like it to be split up with 14 and 16, because there next door.

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« Reply #225 on: March 14, 2009, 05:52:34 PM »
According to Cleveland.com - Looks like OLGC will remain open.  This is great news for the neighborhood.

My dad goes to St. Thomas More in Brooklyn and said that Corpus Christi is the only OB parish to close.  It'll merge with OLGC. 

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« Reply #226 on: March 14, 2009, 05:59:28 PM »
http://oldbrooklyn.blogspot.com/

Saturday, March 14, 2009
An Update on Ward 15 Redistricting
Old Brooklyn Blogs last left readers with a summary of the events that transpired up until last Saturday afternoon. Here are the most pertinent items from the last six or seven days.

* As noted, an illustration of how Old Brooklyn and Brooklyn Centre have been proposed to be gerrymandered was posted by Ward 15 Councilman Brian Cummins. In it, Ward 15 is spliced into four pieces, which are incorporated into Wards 12 (Slavic Village), 13 (Downtown, Tremont, Ohio City, St. Clair Superior), 14 (Ohio City, Tremont, Clark-Fulton), and 16 (Old Brooklyn, Stockyards). The entire plan still has not been made available for public review and comment.

* A group of Old Brooklyn and Brooklyn Centre residents is organizing a mass protest on the steps of Cleveland City Hall on Monday, March 16 at 6pm. Protesters will then move to city council chambers to have a presence and demonstrate that they will not accept the destruction of the fabric of their neighborhoods nor the process by which redistricting has been performed without citizen input and in a politically-motivated fashion. Transportation via bus will be available beginning at 5pm from the Cleveland Metroparks Zoo east parking lot. Attendees are strongly encouraged to come with their neighbors, family, and friends and to bring signs.

* South Hills Association members held an emergency meeting on Wednesday evening to discuss the proposal for their neighborhood to be incorporated into Ward 12, which is currently comprised of Slavic Village (North and South Broadway SPAs) across the Cuyahoga River and suburbs of Newburgh Heights and Cuyahoga Heights. According to the Ohio Daily Blog, about 100 residents attended on just a few days notice, and are furious and prepared to fight. South Hills residents have a four-part plan that focuses on contacting city council members en masse to convey their displeasure, organize as many residents as possible for the Monday protest, invite Ward 12 Councilman Tony Brancatelli and Ward 13 Councilman Joe Cimperman to hear their complaints firsthand, and possibly pursue legal action.

* There's been conversation about when city council will vote to approve the recommendations of Triad Consulting, the contractor hired by leadership to calculate population estimates by tract and draw new ward boundaries. Council must adopt new political districts to take effect in 2010 by April 1, or Mayor Frank Jackson will assume that decision-making authority. To date, a depiction of the new wards has not been released. News reports indicate that, in addition to Ward 15, Councilman Zack Reed's Ward 3 is slated to be eliminated under Triad's current plan. Both Councilman Reed and Ward 15 Councilman Brian Cummins have both been considered two of Council President Martin Sweeney's most outspoken critics.

* Bette Meyer, who served as facilitator of the forum to garner public input about Cleveland's political redistricting, sent an email to participants and how the process is very contradictory to the five major consensus principles that were identified by more than 200 citizens. In her message, she implores Clevelanders to contact the Clerk of Council and media to express that they want to see the proposed changes make available to members of the public for their consideration and input. A similar meeting for the East Side of Cleveland has been scheduled by community leaders on Tuesday, March 17.

* This week, WKYC Channel 3 broadcast two pieces about Ward 15 redistricting. A full interview of Councilman Cummins from Thursday is available here, and a story about how South Hills residents feel about their neighborhood becoming part of Ward 12 is here.

* Finally, fellow Old Brooklyn blogger Will at Skorasaurus has a full timeline of the redistricting process.

New information will be posted as it is received, so please bookmark Old Brooklyn Blogs for further details about redistricting as well as much more from Cleveland's Old Brooklyn neighborhood. Have additional info, a link to share, or remarks? Please post in the comments below.

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Re: Cleveland: Old Brooklyn Neighborhood Discussion
« Reply #227 on: March 14, 2009, 06:09:18 PM »
get rid of my ward.  Merge us into Univ. Circle.  We'll still be an intact neighborhood.

Leave OB alone.

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« Reply #228 on: March 16, 2009, 02:03:19 PM »
There are tons of helpful links if you visit the page on cleveland.com.  For some reason, they don't translate over to UO.
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http://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/index.ssf/2009/03/cleveland_residents_to_protest.html

Cleveland residents to protest City Council redistricting at City Hall this evening
by Henry J. Gomez/Plain Dealer Reporter
Monday March 16, 2009, 12:47 PM

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« Reply #229 on: March 17, 2009, 07:37:23 AM »
Just reporting back from the protest and council meeting last night.

We had somewhere around 80 protesters (I guesstimate) at the steps of city hall and about 200 hundred people in the council meeting.  I'd say that council chambers was 2/3 full with OB/BC residents.

Brian Cummins said during the meeting and in his address to protesters that he had been working with consultants for three hours yesterday to create some alternatives that would divide OB by only two to three wards.

Here's a better synopsis with media links: http://oldbrooklyn.blogspot.com/

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« Reply #230 on: March 19, 2009, 09:02:21 AM »
http://oldbrooklyn.blogspot.com/2009/03/ward-redistricting-presentation-to.html

Wednesday, March 18, 2009
Ward Redistricting Presentation to Council Friday Morning
OB Blogs received this email from Ward Reshuffle, a group that is advocating for a transparent redistricting process that is considerate of citizen input.

-- PUBLIC MEETING NOTICE --

    * When: 9:30 am Friday, March 20th
    * Where: City Council Committee Room 217, 601 Lakeside Avenue N.E.
    * What: Council’s consultants on the redistricting of Cleveland’s wards will be presenting their final recommendations to Council. All Councilmembers should attend this important session


    From: Allan Dreyer
    Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:28 PM
    To: All Council Members; All Staff
    Subject: Important Public Meeting regarding new city wards

    There will be a public meeting on Friday, March 20th, in City Council Committee Room 217, at 9:30 a.m. Council’s consultants on the redistricting of Cleveland’s wards will be presenting their final recommendations to Council. All Councilmembers should attend this important session

    ---Allan Dreyer, Deputy Clerk
    Cleveland City Council
    (216) 664-4198

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« Reply #231 on: March 23, 2009, 03:20:38 PM »
Will this have any bearing on tonight's anticipated approval of the redistricting recommendations?
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http://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/index.ssf/2009/03/ward_boundaries_that_would_pai.html

Ward boundaries that would pair Slavic Village with Old Brooklyn are 'horrible,' Councilman Tony Brancatelli says
by Henry J. Gomez/Plain Dealer Reporter
Monday March 23, 2009, 2:33 PM
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« Reply #232 on: March 23, 2009, 03:29:11 PM »
Wow, this could get uglier than I anticipated.  I agree with him (and didn't know he cared) that linkages between Slavic Village and the rest of the "south side" are notably missing.  To have no crossing between Carnegie and Harvard is just ridiculous.  After Harvard/Denison, what's the next one?  Brook Park?  Rockside/Snow?  I'm not counting freeways.  How do you get to Steelyard from Fleet Avenue?  I'd almost like to see SV and OB merged into one ward so that this gets addressed by somebody.

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« Reply #233 on: March 23, 2009, 03:58:56 PM »
South of Harvard/Denison (which also includes Old Harvard Road, which goes down into the Valley and connects with Jennings Road by the old Zeleznik's), the next crossing is Granger Road/Schaaf Road, whereby one would get to South Hills via Garfield Hts. and Cuyahoga Hts.

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« Reply #234 on: March 23, 2009, 04:05:58 PM »
 
South of Harvard/Denison (which also includes Old Harvard Road, which goes down into the Valley and connects with Jennings Road by the old Zeleznik's), the next crossing is Granger Road/Schaaf Road, whereby one would get to South Hills via Garfield Hts. and Cuyahoga Hts.

Right, at that point we're already into the suburbs.  There would be a ward that would require a trip through suburbs to connect the two parts of it.  Whatever happened to the Clark/Pershing bridge?  Is there no way to make a bridge or path through that area without hitting a steel mill?

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« Reply #235 on: March 23, 2009, 04:12:28 PM »
^ I-490?

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« Reply #236 on: March 23, 2009, 04:32:09 PM »
"I-490?"

For most intents and purposes, yes.  But is there a direct RTA connection across 490?  Plus 490 can't be walked.  You ought to be able to walk from SV across the valley somehow.  If you can't, they're different wards.  Regardless of wards, I think both sides of the valley would be better off with more links.  In particular, and I'd never thought of this, non-drivers in SV need a direct path to SYC.  I guess this all applies more to Brooklyn Center and Tremont than to Old Brooklyn, but that makes it even more clear to me that OB and SV should not share a ward.

I also found it interesting that Bracatelli resents Cimperman for being able to represent downtown and live on the west side.
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« Reply #237 on: March 23, 2009, 07:28:00 PM »
Went to the city council meeting tonight.  The plan that has Old Brooklyn in three pieces and Brooklyn Centre in two passed 16-4.

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« Reply #238 on: March 24, 2009, 08:50:50 AM »
Was this the best possible outcome, or the worst?

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« Reply #239 on: March 24, 2009, 09:46:57 AM »
^ Pretty close to being the worst.  It tears apart the fabric of the community, hinders our ability to pursue large projects, negates much of the master planning process that took place over the last year or so, and puts the future of the CDC, which will be highly dependent on the funding of four councilpersons with different agendas and pre-existing allegiances, in jeopardy.

My part of Ward 15 will become part of the ward that encompasses Slavic Village, and I can foresee conflicts later this year between the two completely different communities each trying to elect candidates from their neighborhoods.  I think that it can potentially become an ugly scenario.  In some ways, it already has, like what has happened with Brancatelli and his encounters with neighbors from South Hills.