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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1650 on: June 11, 2018, 10:19:32 AM »
Another take on this #mls2atx/#SaveTheCrew "deadline month" can be found in this twitter thread from The Fake Sigi at https://twitter.com/thefakesigi/status/1005934898715222016




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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1651 on: June 12, 2018, 03:09:46 AM »
Cant imagine Garber will be okay with this whole fiasco dragging out into the playoffs and MLS Cup and his next State of the League address with all the negative publicity he had to endure last year.

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« Reply #1652 on: June 13, 2018, 05:18:49 AM »
I'm pretty sure Garber has a personal vendetta against the Crew and will do absolutely everything in his power to not get in the way of the move.

I think the best chance the Crew have is for the lawsuit to becoming threateningly real. I believe that will nudge the league toward saying 'forget it' before they're forced to hand over the books to discovery. Above all else, the league does not want their financials exposed.

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1653 on: June 14, 2018, 12:55:21 PM »
GAME #17:  https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2018-06-13-columbus-crew-sc-vs-atlanta-united-fc/recap

https://www.massivereport.com/2018/6/13/17462218/atlanta-united-end-columbus-crew-sc-unbeaten-streak-with-2-0-win-mls-2018


Columbus was riding a 9-game unbeaten streak (4-0-5) going into this match - which marks the halfway point of the 34-game MLS season.  Despite that unbeaten streak, the last three MLS results for the Crew were draws.  And with Atlanta coming into Mapfre leading by only three points, this was a golden opportunity for the Crew to tie Atlanta for 1st in points with a win going into the league's World Cup break.

But it didn't work out that way.  Mensah had a great chance on a header that went just wide off a free-kick in the 28th minute.  But instead it was Atlanta that scored in the 30th minute off a header from a corner-kick to go up 1-0.  The Crew pressed forward in the second half to get an equalizing goal, and had some decent chances at 51', 60', 71', & 76'.   But Atlanta's keeper Brad Guzan was up to the task and made some quality saves to keep the Crew scoreless.  In the 82nd minute, Atlanta scored an insurance goal on a counterattack to clinch the match.

So the Crew go into the break at third in the East with a 7-4-6 record.  They won't play again until June 23 when they travel to Los Angeles to face the expansion club LAFC.
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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1654 on: June 18, 2018, 04:52:18 PM »
Precourt has a lot riding on next week's Austin City Council meeting



Summer recess looms for Austin's City Council, and what it decides at its meeting in 10 days will directly affect whether the Crew SC moves to the Texas city by the 2019 season.

Calling it a “very favorable deal to the city," Precourt Sports Ventures and its principal, Anthony Precourt, have proposed a stadium at McKalla Place, a 24-acre, city-owned site.

If the deal moves forward, PSV has indicated the Crew would play the 2019 season at a temporary stadium site, according to the Austin Business Journal. The sooner a decision comes, the sooner Precourt can move forward.

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1655 on: June 19, 2018, 11:45:22 AM »
^ That's probably accurate.  Precourt desperately needs something (almost anything at this point) from the June 28 Austin City Council meeting that he can point to as "positive momentum".  There are two competing legislation on the June 28 agenda.  One legislation would designate Austin to enter negotations with Precourt for the McKalla Place propoerty and would give Precourt that positive momentum (although even the bill's sponsors are calling for negotiating far better terms than PSV initial proposal - so still not a "done deal").  The second legislation calls for Austin to enter an RFP process for the McKalla Place property (which would pretty much close the door on PSV's inferior proposal).

However, as much as I appreciate that information posted by the administrator formerly known as ColDayMan, I question the inclusion of that semi-bucolic waterside view of downtown Austin.  Precourt's MLS2ATX stadium wouldn't be going anywhere near downtown Austin.  Instead, it would be going on this non-bucolic former chemical dump site 10 miles north of downtown at McKalla Place!  There is a tour of this "awesome location" on a previous page at https://www.urbanohio.com/forum/index.php/topic,13478.msg917370.html#msg917370

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1656 on: June 19, 2018, 11:59:23 PM »
It's amusing that PSV thinks they'll shuttle in half the capacity of the stadium for each and every game. 10,000 from shuttles. Does he realize how many shuttles that is?

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« Reply #1657 on: June 20, 2018, 01:22:45 AM »
Even if Austin acquiesces and negotiates with PSV.......and they square away a deal for the site.........They still have a lawsuit with the State of Ohio and City of Columbus to deal with. No matter anyones personal view on the constitutionality of the Modell Law.....its still currently a law and if they attempt to leave they will have violated it. Let's not forget they are in court against Mike Dewine. The same Mike Dewine running for governor and the same Mike Dewine who drafted the Modell Law. Ohio and Columbus wont be giving up anytime soon.

And about the approximately 10,000 people who would be shuttled from off-site parking locations......I remember reading that they would require like 180 some shuttles or something. I dont know if that means 180 individual buses or like a few dozen buses making multiple runs back and forth but either way....that's quite ridiculous to think that many people would be okay with getting to the stadium like that.

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1658 on: June 20, 2018, 08:42:44 AM »
If only Columbus had such a prime piece of Urban land like McKalla place they could have built the stadium on PSV would not be moving the team. As MLS states, they want an urban environment next to warehouses, light industrial buildings, chemical companies along with street level retail like tire stores and auto parts stores and food amenities like McDonalds and Taco Bell for its fans to be able to visit before and after the games. IF only.

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« Reply #1659 on: June 20, 2018, 08:44:38 AM »
Even if Austin acquiesces and negotiates with PSV.......and they square away a deal for the site.........They still have a lawsuit with the State of Ohio and City of Columbus to deal with. No matter anyones personal view on the constitutionality of the Modell Law.....its still currently a law and if they attempt to leave they will have violated it. Let's not forget they are in court against Mike Dewine. The same Mike Dewine running for governor and the same Mike Dewine who drafted the Modell Law. Ohio and Columbus wont be giving up anytime soon.

And about the approximately 10,000 people who would be shuttled from off-site parking locations......I remember reading that they would require like 180 some shuttles or something. I dont know if that means 180 individual buses or like a few dozen buses making multiple runs back and forth but either way....that's quite ridiculous to think that many people would be okay with getting to the stadium like that.

Not to be a Debbie Downer on the whole Moddell Law, but it really does have no teeth. I wont be surprised if it gets thrown out, and even if it doesn't, a court is pretty loathe to require specific performance on something and almost never does. They really cant force PSV to sell because of his property rights. The only thing that would come from this law is a bigger settlement with the city on a buyout.

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« Reply #1660 on: June 20, 2018, 11:35:10 AM »
Even if Austin acquiesces and negotiates with PSV.......and they square away a deal for the site.........They still have a lawsuit with the State of Ohio and City of Columbus to deal with.  No matter anyones personal view on the constitutionality of the Modell Law.....its still currently a law and if they attempt to leave they will have violated it.  Let's not forget they are in court against Mike Dewine.  The same Mike Dewine running for governor and the same Mike Dewine who drafted the Modell Law. Ohio and Columbus wont be giving up anytime soon.

No matter anyone's personal or legal opinions about the Modell Law, the fact that it exists and is an existing court case is a real issue for PSV, MLS & Austin.  The Modell Law may or may not prove fruitless in keeping the Crew in Columbus.  But the legal process must still be played out - and that doesn't seem good for PSV's already tight time-frame to play in Austin in 2019.

It's been interesting to see the legal commentary on twitter regarding the Modell Law.  Those legal experts were initially very skeptical about the Modell Law.  But then, as the legal filings of the PSV-MLS side were made public, they have been so nonplussed by their incoherence that they are beginning to wonder about the lawsuit's outcome.  One of the twitter followers - who also runs the https://socceresq.com/ website said this after PSV's latest legal filing to an appeal court:

https://twitter.com/turneresq/status/1006234329507217408: "They start out arguing that the lower-court has (wrongly) effectively entered a preliminary injunction. No surprise there. -- Their basis for this is that the law is unconstitutional for X/Y/Z reasons, and that they've complied with the law. But, the lower court has not made a determination as to any of that. So, how can one appeal rulings that haven't been made?"

He actually said about this PSV filing, "That's not how law works!"  PSV-MLS could still end up winning their case against the Modell Law, but it won't on the brilliance of the legal work.

https://twitter.com/turneresq/status/1006242409431236608: "Are @aprecourt/@MLS finally admitting in their filing that they're moving the @ColumbusCrewSC in 2019, no if/and/buts? This section from the brief gets pretty close. -- That said, it still doesn't comply with the statutory language, and no documentation to that effect has been sent to local governments. -- And in the next paragraph, they are back to being vague, so never mind probably."

So there is an existing law that PSV needs to follow the process of - at the very least - whether they find it inconvenient to their desired time-frame or not.
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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1661 on: June 20, 2018, 11:35:33 AM »
And about the approximately 10,000 people who would be shuttled from off-site parking locations......I remember reading that they would require like 180 some shuttles or something.  I dont know if that means 180 individual buses or like a few dozen buses making multiple runs back and forth but either way....that's quite ridiculous to think that many people would be okay with getting to the stadium like that.

If think that's ridiculous (it is btw) PSV's Plan A was to build on Butler Shores Park across the river from downtown Austin.  Doing so would have occupied all of the available parkland with a similar low level of on-site parking as McKalla.  PSV's answers to those Butler Shores parking concerns was to say that fans could park downtown and take "water shuttles" across the river to the stadium!!!

PSV's amateur antics would be funny if the fate of the Crew didn't hang in the balance.
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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1662 on: June 20, 2018, 01:30:41 PM »
The bigger challenge for PreCourt is what is Plan B if the city of Austin does not want the team. Given the bad will he has created with Columbus, I cant see him salvaging the relationship if the Crew does not move to Austin. That would mean he either sells or moves some other place. Then the issue becomes if the contracts he has will let him go anywhere besides Austin without significant additional costs. However, staying in Columbus with him as owner does not seem like the likely conclusion here. Something is going to have to give one way or another.

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« Reply #1663 on: June 20, 2018, 01:35:41 PM »
Why doesn't he just move the team to Sacramento if he's so intent on moving? They already have a stadium under construction (at least I have heard they do), and Sacramento was on the short list for MLS expansion. Plus, isn't Precourt from California? Seems like the path of least resistance. Why is he so set on Austin?

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« Reply #1664 on: June 20, 2018, 01:40:08 PM »
^ 1) I think is purchase contract allows him to void the lease early should an option to move to Austin and only Austin become viable
2) If he wanted to go to Sac he would need more approvals from the league and would either have to wait until his lease in Columbus ran out (not a good option), or buy out the lease (not a good option either)
3) Sacramento has their favored ownership group in place already and they could make things difficult or try and extract a pound of flesh or additional influence he may not be willing to give up at this time.

While Sacramento would make sense at one level, and if Austin fails, I am sure it will be used for leverage, it is not as good of a option as Austin for Precourt for some of the above reasons.

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1665 on: June 20, 2018, 01:54:19 PM »
MLS owns the team. By their own words, Precourt is simply the "operator/investor".  It is ultimately up to the league to shoot down the move.

The biggest issue MLS may have with the lawsuit is their books being exposed to the public. The league really does not want that to happen.
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« Reply #1666 on: June 20, 2018, 02:14:42 PM »
Yes, MLS owns the team, but Precourt isn't allowed to relocate the team to any city he wants whenever he wants. His contract provides an out if he moves to Austin. If he wanted to move to Sacramento, I think he would have to get approval from the MLS board, who may shoot it down (I think they would approve it, personally).

Also, Sacramento doesn't have their full ownership yet for an MLS team. They need someone to come in with much more money than they currently have. The problem is, Sacramento doesn't have a strong business community. They have no Fortune 500 companies in their metro area. Cincinnati has 9. Columbus has 4. Austin has one large one (Dell). There aren't a lot of rich people in Sacramento, so they need to find others to invest in the city.

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« Reply #1667 on: June 20, 2018, 04:18:22 PM »
I do not believe MLS can legally (because of a contract) approve a relocation to Sacramento, even if they wanted to.  If Precourt wants to sell the Crew to a local group in Columbus and join the Sacramento team, then more power to him. But he bought the Crew with the intention of moving them to Austin.  He wants this.  He wants it so bad he's willing to build his stadium with his own money (despite citing this as a problem in Columbus) on a former chemical dump site with inadequate transportation infrastructure miles from downtown Austin (another issue cited against Columbus: he wanted a downtown stadium).

Precourt is a liar and a scumbag. Why anyone would want to do business with him is beyond me.

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« Reply #1668 on: June 20, 2018, 05:24:44 PM »
I do not believe MLS can legally (because of a contract) approve a relocation to Sacramento, even if they wanted to.  If Precourt wants to sell the Crew to a local group in Columbus and join the Sacramento team, then more power to him. But he bought the Crew with the intention of moving them to Austin.  He wants this.  He wants it so bad he's willing to build his stadium with his own money (despite citing this as a problem in Columbus) on a former chemical dump site with inadequate transportation infrastructure miles from downtown Austin (another issue cited against Columbus: he wanted a downtown stadium).

Precourt is a liar and a scumbag. Why anyone would want to do business with him is beyond me.
"Precourt is a liar and a scumbag. Why anyone would want to do business with him is beyond me."

This. This is what should be going through the minds of the Austin City Council. Why go with this lying bastard on anything-especially his horrible hypocritical proposal?  He is lying, untrustable, and will screw over Austin just as easily as he is trying to screw over Columbus. This is not a good look at all for MLS.

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1669 on: June 20, 2018, 07:52:24 PM »
OMG - just smell the desperation coming from PSV in Austin!!!  8) 8) 8)



PSV spokesman: McKalla site resolution threatens MLS move to Austin
By Chris Bils - American-Statesman Correspondent
Posted: 5:53 p.m. - Wednesday, June 20, 2018


While four Austin City Council members put out a release Wednesday detailing plans for an “open and fair process on McKalla Place,” a spokesman for Precourt Sports Ventures said that process could kill plans for a Major League Soccer team in Austin.  Council Members Leslie Pool, Ora Houston, Alison Alter and Ellen Troxclair have co-signed a resolution intended to solicit development plans for the 24-acre city-owned site in North Austin.
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Richard Suttle, a lobbyist representing PSV and MLS said, “If that resolution were to pass, it’s just not consistent with the timing of bringing MLS to Austin.”

A second resolution on the agenda for the June 28 council meeting asks for Austin’s city manager to begin exclusive negotiations with PSV for a stadium.  Co-sponsors on that resolution are Mayor Steve Adler along with Council Members Kathie Tovo, Sabino “Pio” Renteria and Delia Garza.
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Pool, Houston, Alter and Troxclair argue that the city is putting itself at a disadvantage by not considering other options.  “It makes sense that we would want to know what our options are, no matter how Council decides to move forward on this topic,” Pool said in the release.  “Knowing all of the opportunities available to us not only helps us make an informed decision, but it puts us in a better negotiating position with all of the participants, as well.”
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Pool has maintained that she will not be rushed into a decision and has been critical of PSV’s proposal.  Alter, Houston and Troxclair also would like to see it weighed against other development plans.  “I would love to have a soccer team in Austin,” Alter said in the release.  “Nonetheless, the terms of the deal matter. There is a high price involved with giving this land to PSV, and we need an accurate accounting of the opportunity costs to ensure that this decision is not made in a vacuum.”

MORE: https://www.mystatesman.com/sports/soccer/psv-spokesman-mckalla-site-resolution-threatens-mls-move-austin/KYvSBC5bn3BNIBJkmJDGYK/
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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1671 on: June 21, 2018, 01:50:25 PM »
This twitter thread also seems relevant to the situation PSV finds itself in:

https://twitter.com/bernhardtsoccer/status/1009607146160508929

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1672 on: June 21, 2018, 01:51:24 PM »
Per Andrew Erickson of The Dispatch, the PSV/MLS appeal has been dismissed. This is positive news for STC in the courtroom.

https://twitter.com/AEricksonCD/status/1009850616217251840


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« Reply #1674 on: June 21, 2018, 02:21:13 PM »
^Sounds like it is not leveraging Columbus and Austin per PSV anymore, it is Austin and other places. It appears like Precourt is determined to leave Columbus no matter what, which was probably his endgame when he bought the team 5 years ago.

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« Reply #1675 on: June 21, 2018, 02:33:12 PM »
Like I said before - PSV's amateur antics would be funny if the fate of the Crew didn't hang in the balance:

https://twitter.com/tomuky/status/1009807202062950400

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1676 on: June 21, 2018, 10:11:16 PM »
Crew SC owner, Major League Soccer shut down by court of appeals

The 10th District Court of Appeals has swiftly refused to dismiss the Columbus Crew SC lawsuit.

Precourt Sports Ventures, Columbus Crew SC and Major League Soccer argued in a filing last week that the "Art Modell Law" – the focal point in the lawsuit filed by the city and state to keep the soccer team in Columbus – was unconstitutional. They also said the Franklin County Common Pleas Court had overstepped its reach in the case.

The appeals court ruled today that their request was premature. Until Franklin County Common Pleas Judge Jeffrey Brown issues a final ruling in the case, the appeals court said it has a "lack of jurisdiction," according to court documents obtained by Columbus Business First.

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1677 on: June 22, 2018, 06:51:29 PM »
Austin's largest newspaper weighs in on PSV and their negotiation "tactics":

https://twitter.com/ChrisBils/status/1010213076589785088

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1678 on: June 23, 2018, 07:01:49 PM »
https://www.massivereport.com/2018/6/21/17490116/columbus-crew-sc-zack-steffen-out-vs-los-angeles-fc-with-knee-injury-mls-2018

I dislike it when the Crew goes on a break, but returns more broken than before the break.  In this case, it is phenom goalkeeper Zach Steffen who got broken during a Thursday practice session with a knee injury.  Because of this he will not be travelling to Los Angeles for tonight's game.  The extent of Steffen's injury is not known yet.


http://www.dispatch.com/sports/20180622/soccer--crew-lafc-will-be-without-key-pieces

Somewhat mitigating the loss of Steffen in tonight's game is that LAFC will be without their leading scorer Carlos Vela, who is playing with Mexico’s national team at the World Cup (and scored a PK goal in Mexico's victory today).
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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1679 on: June 23, 2018, 08:02:59 PM »
Ketterer isn't starting, is he?  After watching that USOC shootout, I'm positive there are some local high school GKs with more ability.