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Re: Cincinnati: Random Development News & Info
« Reply #3090 on: August 24, 2017, 02:45:55 PM »
Been curious about 5/3 as well. Haven't been able to find mind info. It'd be great if they added some element of a LED Backlight to the signage.

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« Reply #3091 on: August 24, 2017, 02:49:09 PM »
New York City banned corporate logos from its towers back in the 1960s.  The MetLife Building (formerly Pan Am) is what motivated the ban.  Just imagine it today littered with 100+ logos. 

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« Reply #3092 on: August 25, 2017, 10:53:25 AM »
Fifth Third is bringing new look to Fountain Square
By Steve Watkins  –  Staff Reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier


Fountain Square and Cincinnati’s skyline will soon have a new look as Fifth Third Bancorp is changing the sign atop its headquarters building.

Downtown-based Fifth Third (Nasdaq: FITB), Cincinnati’s largest locally based bank and the nation’s 13th biggest, is adding lighting and changing the background on the “Fifth Third Bank” sign at the top of the 32-story building, Fifth Third spokeswoman Shandi Huber told me. The new programmable lighting and new white background will allow Fifth Third to change colors on the sign, which faces Fountain Square.

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« Reply #3093 on: August 25, 2017, 01:14:00 PM »
Nice that sounds like a great upgrade. 

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« Reply #3094 on: August 25, 2017, 01:49:37 PM »
Steiner planning $15M apartment project in Columbia Tusculum 
By Tom Demeropolis
Senior Staff Reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier
Aug 25, 2017, 12:06pm EDT

 
 
Steiner + Associates, the Columbus-based developer of Liberty Center, is working on plans to develop an apartment project in the Cincinnati neighborhood of Columbia Tusculum.

The developer is scheduled to go before the Cincinnati City Planning Commission on Sept. 1 for its proposed project on the western side of Hoge Street between Columbia Parkway and Widman Place. The developer is requesting a change of zoning for the property to planned development from residential mixed. The change would allow Steiner to develop a $15 million, four-story residential building with 69 apartment units that will be constructed on top of a one-level parking garage.

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« Reply #3095 on: August 28, 2017, 02:56:12 PM »
The Cincinnatian Hotel will become a "Curio" by Hilton: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/08/28/exclusive-cincinnati-lands-ohio-s-first-curio.html?ana=TWT_staffTD

The interior design of The Cincinnatian seems a bit bland and dated... so I suspect the interiors will be updated to have more personality, and be more competitive with 21C, Hotel Covington, and the soon to open Autograph Collection (at the Anna Louise Inn).

Curio manages the "Hotel Phillips" in Kansas City, which looks like a similar historic, downtown building: http://curiocollection3.hilton.com/en/hotels/missouri/hotel-phillips-kansas-city-curio-collection-by-hilton-MKCCUQQ/index.html

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« Reply #3096 on: August 29, 2017, 02:52:50 PM »
Cincinnati Ballet hunting for new, larger facility

The Cincinnati Ballet has outgrown its West End facility and is searching for a new location in the city’s core.

Scott Altman, president and CEO of the Cincinnati Ballet, said the organization initially reached out last fall to see if people in the real estate and development community had land or an existing structure that could accommodate its growing needs. The organization continues to look at any possible sites that could meet its requirements.

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/08/29/cincinnati-ballet-hunting-for-new-larger-facility.html
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« Reply #3097 on: August 29, 2017, 03:21:27 PM »
Would make sense to land within otr considering the presence of all the current theaters like ensemble theater, and music hall and of course the new cincy shakes theater on elm.

Only question is where they could land this within in otr that would make sense?

A part of me wonders if that empty lot in between memorial hall and music hall could fit?
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« Reply #3098 on: August 29, 2017, 03:27:16 PM »
Would the Emery make sense for the Ballet? Aside from the auditorium, I know the Emery has a few classroom/gallery spaces that might work as rehearsal spaces. I'd love to see them make it work, though I imagine there'd be some challenges.

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« Reply #3099 on: August 29, 2017, 04:00:18 PM »
Kind of a fat chance but would be sweet if it went here next to the 8th and Main Development in a stand alone building.  Maybe on the lot directly to the west they could develop a mixed-use building with structured parking.  I know, ugh parking, but they got to incentivize the parking lot owners somehow.  Either way, I'm mostly never too fed up about building parking ramps in mixed used buildings downtown, if it allows more development to happen around it and helps bring in more people from the suburbs.  As long as we continue to add lots of population, and also if the developers / owners of the new buildings construct the ramps to have even floors to eventually convert to more office if need be...

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« Reply #3100 on: August 29, 2017, 04:25:43 PM »
Maybe the Ballet could be a new tenant for the soon to be decommissioned Main Library Annex?

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« Reply #3101 on: August 30, 2017, 11:00:27 AM »
Maybe the Ballet could be a new tenant for the soon to be decommissioned Main Library Annex?

I actually think that could be a great idea. Re-reading the article about the ballet, (and looking at the examples cited from Salt Lake City, Houston, and Kansas City), it's clear that the new facility would *NOT* be intended to be the ballet's primary performance venue (rules out The Emery). In all 3 of those cities, the training facilities are separate from the primary performance venues. With Music Hall and the Aronoff, the Cincinnati Ballet will continue to use those venues for their performances. The new Cincinnati ballet facility would be for training. In other words, it would serve a similar role as their current facility in the West End. They'd just be upgrading to a newer, larger facility. I assume they'd have some spaces for small performances, but I would not expect them to build a large auditorium.

I'm not sure how tall the ceilings need to be for the ballet studio spaces, but according to the auditor's site, the library annex has 3 floors with 12' height. (It also has 2 floors with 8' height, used for storage and stacks). The 3 stories with 12' height have a cumulative square footage of about 85,000 sq ft. The Annex has a drop-off lane on 9th street, an attached surface lot on the east side, and close proximity to a few garages and surface lots. If you draw a straight line from the Aronoff to Music Hall, it basically passes right through the Annex (in other words, if you're trying to minimize cumulative distance to Aronoff+Music Hall, you won't be able to do better).

Here are the requirements as listed in the article, all of which seem to be met by the Annex:
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Cincinnati Ballet is looking to double the size of its facility, to about 70,000 square feet from the 35,000 square feet it it has leased at 1555 Central Parkway since 1994.
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The ballet would prefer to relocate in downtown Cincinnati or near the city’s core. Altman said the idea is to be close to the Aronoff Center for the Arts and Music Hall, as well as its sister organizations in the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra and the Cincinnati Opera.
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It would need large, open spaces with tall ceilings for ballet studios. Altman also said the ballet is looking for a location with accessibility, safe drop-off and pick-up areas for students and families, and parking.

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« Reply #3102 on: August 30, 2017, 11:08:39 AM »
^ I can't recall exactly, but I think that the library floors are supported by normally spaced interior columns. I'd think that alone would be a deal killer.

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« Reply #3103 on: August 30, 2017, 11:50:30 AM »
^ I can't recall exactly, but I think that the library floors are supported by normally spaced interior columns. I'd think that alone would be a deal killer.
ahh... if that's true, that'd be a deal killer.

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« Reply #3104 on: August 30, 2017, 12:15:47 PM »
I very much like the idea of using the library annex for the ballet facility. It might not be possible from a space perspective, but it's a great idea and it seems like it would be about the right size.

My parents are long time ballet supporters, and I know they go to the West End facility for the "new works" series each year. There is definitely a performance space requirement for the new facility, but I think it can be a little more of a flexible concept than a traditional theatre. Moving the ballet from its current location, which is pretty off the beaten path for most of OTR and Downtown, could be a way to breathe some life into a portion of the core that could use it.

If they are going to build a new facility, maybe one of the surface lots on the west side of Central Parkway could be good. They'd be across the street from SCPA, close to Music Hall and the streetcar, and they could still provide pretty easy parking for visitors.

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« Reply #3105 on: August 30, 2017, 09:12:23 PM »
So I have a friend that works in the library system who has told me that the annex is likely to be used for a library operations facility to consolidate all of the administrative people into one building that they have been wanting to build for some time but don't have the money to build a new building for.  He said from what he's heard they will either sell it or do this but it's looking like they are leaning towards this.

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« Reply #3106 on: August 30, 2017, 10:04:40 PM »
^ Thanks for the info. That would be an easy and logical use of the building, and it would bring more employees Downtown.

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« Reply #3107 on: August 31, 2017, 07:52:57 AM »
But still leave a rather boring building with absolutely awful siting in place. The northern building really has no business being located on that block the way it is. It's really unfortunate. I know it's a result of the era it was built, but it's really terrible.

I hope they do sell and something more imaginative and engaging winds up in its place.

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« Reply #3108 on: August 31, 2017, 10:51:19 AM »
The redevelopment of this block and building is very low on the list of development needs in downtown Cincinnati, imo. When we have all the surface lots built on, maybe we can revisit the library's north building.

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« Reply #3109 on: August 31, 2017, 11:37:31 AM »
I disagree. It's directly in the path of the most logical pedestrian connections between OTR, Court Street, and Downtown.

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« Reply #3110 on: August 31, 2017, 11:55:09 AM »
Unfortunately this north building has always felt a little "dead", even though it is open for business.  There are surface parking lots on the opposite sides of its bordering streets.  The Vine lot is small but the rest of the block is similarly "deadish".  The Walnut St. side faces a much larger parking lot. 

Casual pedestrians (especially tourists) don't like crossing even a one-block break in the action.  They definitely won't cross two dead blocks, which is what the situation is now (or truthfully three all the way up to 12th).  In Columbus, High St. has been steadily filled in to the point where there is now a 3-mile stretch with no dead blocks, which is an incredible achievement for a mid-sized city.  The whole upper part of downtown needs to fill in all of the large parking lots with large buildings with some street restaurants/retail.     

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« Reply #3111 on: August 31, 2017, 12:52:12 PM »
^Putting some cool lighting/public art under the bridge could probably substantially help lessen the dark and dead feeling of that area at night. Some sort of neon installation would be cool, I think.

As far as increasing the vibrancy of that area, I think the fact that West of Vine is essentially a complete dead zone is a much bigger problem than the library north building. The whole area between City Hall and the library is SO under utilized, and there are a ton of surface lots. Fill those in, and fill in some more of the lots east of Vine, and the library blocks become much less problematic.

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« Reply #3112 on: August 31, 2017, 02:35:15 PM »
I do think that for a city of our size it is possible to spread yourself too thin however. I think there is something to what Columbus and Louisville and other cities do by focusing all the bars, restaurants, hotels, entertainment, etc. on one street so that there is an unbroken chain of action. I think instead of trying to spread east or west downtown we need to focus on Vine street from Fountain Square all the way to Findlay Market/Playground to act as the central pedestrian spine of the core. Once that spine is solid, you can worry about spreading out to the West side of downtown.

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« Reply #3113 on: August 31, 2017, 03:25:23 PM »
^I agree completely with what you are saying.  Vine from Fountain all the way up to the hill should be the main corridor for Cincinnati downtown, then the rest will fill in more or less from market pressure, etc. and help needed in certain areas.

Quick question: What is Louisville doing currently which is in line with this?  I am curious because my friend used to live there, I loved it there as it reminded me of a mini-Cincy in a way, but wanted to see where at they were focusing efforts there?

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« Reply #3114 on: August 31, 2017, 05:23:04 PM »
Can we please get a European style pedestrian entertainment  corridor that have no cars and only pedestrians and benches and cafes.

Why American cities don't have more of these is beyond me.

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« Reply #3115 on: August 31, 2017, 06:19:46 PM »
Can we please get a European style pedestrian entertainment  corridor that have no cars and only pedestrians and benches and cafes.

Why American cities don't have more of these is beyond me.

One reason is the lack of transit, so it's harder to fill up the space with pedestrians since it's easier to just drive somewhere else.  Also because of our wider streets, it's even harder still to make the street feel bustling and activated.  That leads to it feeling dangerous and creepy.  Proper pedestrian streets are usually less than 30 feet from building front to building front. 

http://newworldeconomics.com/narrow-streets-for-people/
http://newworldeconomics.com/narrow-streets-for-people-2-subtleties-of-street-width/
http://newworldeconomics.com/place-and-non-place/
http://newworldeconomics.com/the-triad-of-city-design-failure/
http://newworldeconomics.com/toledo-spain-or-toledo-ohio/
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« Reply #3116 on: August 31, 2017, 06:38:34 PM »
Are the streets in otr not compatible for this? I feel like main is a really centralized street that could be suitable for such a pedestrian entertainment street.

Also the street car could funnel pedestrians in and out.

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« Reply #3117 on: September 01, 2017, 11:01:13 AM »
I don't know about traffic free, but Vine street should two-way from the carousel all the way up through OTR, one lane each direction with parking either side and bumpouts with wider sidewalks through the CBD. The streetcar already straddles this route on either side to aid in pedestrian movement as well. 

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« Reply #3118 on: September 01, 2017, 12:02:26 PM »
I don't know about traffic free, but Vine street should two-way from the carousel all the way up through OTR, one lane each direction with parking either side and bumpouts with wider sidewalks through the CBD. The streetcar already straddles this route on either side to aid in pedestrian movement as well.

At least in the abstract, I like that idea. Vine St is such a cool "spine" that runs from the river, up though the CBD, OTR, Clifton Heights, Avondale, and beyond. In the short term, before making updates to Vine St in the CBD, I'd like to see the city make updates to Vine St north of Liberty: burying utilities, adding trees, adding bumpouts. That stretch of Vine gets a lot of through traffic and currently looks very rough. Since it's the "welcome" to the basin for people coming down Vine St, I feel it should be a priority to clean it up.

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« Reply #3119 on: September 22, 2017, 10:52:07 PM »
The Library plans to close its North Building and consolidate all operations in the South Building, which opens up nearly an entire block downtown for redevelopment. 3CDC is being tagged as a 'consultant' but I wonder if they are going to bid to redevelop the lot as well.

 http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2017/07/31/public-library-close-north-building-might-leave-entire-downtown-block-available/492586001/

The "Democratic Socialists of Metro Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky" oppose this deal. A member of that group was banned from the library for 6 months for passing out anti-3CDC pamphlets inside the library.