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Re: Cincinnati City Council
« Reply #1140 on: July 26, 2018, 01:46:37 PM »
I feel like wards have a very negative connotation from creating parts of cities that are governed differently. Various parts of town artificially become winners and losers depending on whether the voters are good at picking candidates or are subject to shysters. Of course, the entirety of Cincinnati is represented by a shyster at the top as we speak.

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« Reply #1141 on: July 26, 2018, 01:56:09 PM »
The *only* advantage of wards is that no-budget candidates can win by simply shaking a lot of hands. 

But that works on the citywide level in Cincinnati since people like Chris Smitherman campaign ENDLESSLY.  The guy has campaigned for 50+ hours per week, year-round for the past 15 years, because he's absolutely insane.  We saw what happened when he was knocked out of office -- he showed up to city council meetings and caused a scene like Mary Kuhl or another neighborhood agitator. 

Wards?  Mary Kuhl would have a council seat.  Here's the Kuhl Goul arguing against the Cincinnati Streetcar...IN BLUE ASH:


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Re: Cincinnati City Council
« Reply #1142 on: July 26, 2018, 02:04:46 PM »
I feel like wards have a very negative connotation from creating parts of cities that are governed differently. Various parts of town artificially become winners and losers depending on whether the voters are good at picking candidates or are subject to shysters. Of course, the entirety of Cincinnati is represented by a shyster at the top as we speak.

Cincinnati already has a self-defeating attitude where many outer neighborhood residents hate downtown, and even with our current fully at-large system, council and mayoral candidates run and win by saying "we need to focus on the neighborhoods instead of downtown." Creating wards in Cincinnati would just codify this sentiment. It would create a situation where council members representing the outer wards would vote against any new downtown or OTR investment unless their ward got some token investment to "balance" it out. The revitalization of OTR may not not have happened if we had a ward system, because those council members would have insisted that we invest an equal amount into Westwood Square and Oakley Square as we did into OTR.

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« Reply #1143 on: July 26, 2018, 02:16:58 PM »
I have lived in CUF & Corryville for the past 10+ years and have not once heard a peep from the CUF or Corryville community councils.  I have not been to a meeting.  I don't even know where the meetings are held. 

But we hear endlessly from 3-4 community councils who claim that their issues are THE ISSUES. 

Local politics are always mired by neighborhood agitators like Mary Kuhl, etc.  They show up to every meeting and make it all about them.     

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Re: Cincinnati City Council
« Reply #1144 on: July 26, 2018, 03:02:39 PM »
Mary Kuhl is a perpetual thorn in the side of Cincinnati. I wish she would just move to Green Twp. or something already. It seems like Westwood has largely been able to get around her lately, though, which is fortunate, because she really could poison just about any discussion. I was in a meeting once where she attended, and several other prominent Westwoodians finally told her off, and said that she doesn't speak for the whole community, but rather just her narrow interests/obsessions. It was amazing. She got so red in the face and ultimately stormed out of the meeting.

Love the Kuhl Goul nickname lmao.

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« Reply #1145 on: July 26, 2018, 03:11:46 PM »
Love the Kuhl Goul nickname lmao.

That was coined by Nate Livingston. 

My aunt and uncle who have lived in Loveland for 20+ years frequently complained of a Kuhl-type character up there.  Whoever this person was, they didn't take their act outside the cozy confines of Loveland, but they were enough of an issue that we had to hear about them just about every time we visited Loveland.  My uncle's funniest story was when he said he was reading the letters to the editor in the local paper, and was getting fired up reading a letter tearing into this individual, then he looked down to see who wrote it and it was...his wife! 

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« Reply #1146 on: August 01, 2018, 11:32:14 AM »
There will be two issues on the ballot this November to change the way City Council works. One will be to return to two year terms. The other will be to keep 4 year terms but stagger them, with half of council elected. If both were to pass, the one with the higher percentage of "yes" would take effect and the other would not.

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« Reply #1147 on: August 01, 2018, 11:56:42 AM »
With the staggered proposal, would the top 4 vote-getters in 2021 get a 4 year term, and the bottom 5 get a 2-year term and from then on out they are all 4 year terms?

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« Reply #1148 on: August 01, 2018, 01:11:40 PM »
The text is:

ORDINANCE, (EMERGENCY) submitted by Councilmember Greg Landsman, from Paula Boggs Muething, City Solicitor, TO SUBMIT to the electors of the City of Cincinnati an amendment to the Charter of the City to provide that, effective as of the general election of November 2021, the members of Council shall be elected at-large for staggered four-year terms, which shall commence as of the January 2022 Council term, with five members of Council serving four-year terms and four members of Council serving two year terms, and thereafter, all Councilmembers serving four-year terms which shall occur on a staggered basis, with elections for either four or five designated Council positions being held every two years, by amending existing Sections 4 and 5a of Article II, "Legislative Power," Section 3 of Article III, "Mayor," and Sections 1, 2a, 2b, 3, 5a, and 8 of Article IX, "Nominations and Elections." (VERSION B)

So the top 5 vote-getters in 2021 would get 4 year terms. The lower 4 would get 2 year terms. Then those 4 seats would be up for re-election in 2023 for 4 year terms.

It's a little unfortunate because I was hoping that the mayor + 4 will be elected at once, then 5 will be elected at mid-term, making for 5 elected officials chosen every 2 years. What's actually going to happen is that the mayor + 5 will be elected together and 4 will be elected in mid-terms. So it'll be an alternating 6/4/6/4... instead of a 5/5/5/5...

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« Reply #1149 on: August 01, 2018, 01:16:45 PM »
This also opens up the potential for things to get wonky if a council member ever leaves office early. I assume the current rule would still apply where if a council members leaves office before the mid-way point of their 4 year term, they will be replaced by a special election. So if 5 "Class A" council members win 4 year terms in 2021, and 5 "Class B" win in 2023, but one of the Class B members decides to step down before 2025, their special election will take place in 2025. So you will have 6 council members elected in 2025 and only 3 elected in 2027, and then the lopsided 6/3/6/3 cycle will continue...

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Re: Cincinnati City Council
« Reply #1150 on: August 01, 2018, 01:21:20 PM »
There will be two issues on the ballot this November to change the way City Council works. One will be to return to two year terms. The other will be to keep 4 year terms but stagger them, with half of council elected. If both were to pass, the one with the higher percentage of "yes" would take effect and the other would not.

Yeah, let's intentionally confuse the voters.  Good Government, and all that. 

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« Reply #1151 on: August 22, 2018, 02:04:40 PM »
It always blows my mind when I walk past a window or a lawn with yard signs for two diametrically opposed political candidates. How is it possible to know so little about politics that you would support both, say, Smitherman and Garry, with their views being almost completely opposite of each other?

Also, the election was almost a year ago. Time to take down your signs.

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« Reply #1152 on: August 22, 2018, 05:10:23 PM »
Weren't both endorsed by the Green Party?

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Re: Cincinnati City Council
« Reply #1153 on: September 10, 2018, 05:06:24 PM »
Council members balk at Fourth and Race deal over streetcar money

Three City Council members objected to part of the latest version of the Fourth and Race mixed-use apartment/garage deal because the developer will not pay into the account that funds the Cincinnati Bell Connector streetcar.

The streetcar’s operations are funded in part by payments made by developers of new and rehabilitated buildings downtown from a reduction in their tax abatements.

In Monday’s Budget and Finance Committee, council members P.G. Sittenfeld, Chris Seelbach and Wendell Young, all Democrats, voted against the part of the deal that included a tax abatement for 22,000 square feet of first-floor commercial space at the 118 W. Fourth St. site. The ordinance does not require the developer, Indianapolis-based Flaherty & Collins or the Cincinnati Center City Development Corp., which will oversee the garage and commercial space, to make the voluntary tax incentive contribution agreement (VTICA) payments to the streetcar.

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/09/10/council-members-balk-at-fourth-and-race-deal-over.html
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Re: Cincinnati City Council
« Reply #1154 on: September 11, 2018, 03:55:49 PM »
Did City Council support latest payment to Cincinnati’s former city manager?

Four members of the Cincinnati City Council opposed and three backed the city administration’s deal to give former City Manager Harry Black an additional $370,000 to avoid a lawsuit over his forced resignation in April.

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Re: Cincinnati City Council
« Reply #1155 on: September 11, 2018, 04:00:42 PM »
Did City Council support latest payment to Cincinnati’s former city manager?

Four members of the Cincinnati City Council opposed and three backed the city administration’s deal to give former City Manager Harry Black an additional $370,000 to avoid a lawsuit over his forced resignation in April.

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Who has the authority to hire/fire a city manager?

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« Reply #1156 on: September 11, 2018, 04:02:36 PM »
To hire a City Manger, the Mayor nominates someone and majority of City Council has to approve.

City Council was getting ready to vote to fire Black, so he resigned the morning before that vote was scheduled to happen.

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« Reply #1157 on: September 11, 2018, 04:05:28 PM »
To hire a City Manger, the Mayor nominates someone and majority of City Council has to approve.

City Council was getting ready to vote to fire Black, so he resigned the morning before that vote was scheduled to happen.
Thanks. Not a lawyer so why to payout? Just fire him. The article mentioned something about Cranley doing something that could have violated city laws or something. Did not follow this closely.

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« Reply #1158 on: September 11, 2018, 04:19:25 PM »
Cranley wanted the city to write Black a big check in exchange for him resigning and signing an NDA so that none of Black's dirt on Cranley would ever come out. City Council did not want to agree to that. That drama played out over a period of several weeks. Finally, Cranley was able to get a majority of City Council on board with that plan. So they were about to vote to fire Black, but before City Council could vote, Black resigned. He was paid out a certain amount of severance that was specified by his employment agreement in addition to unused vacation time. But since he did not sign any NDA agreeing to keep quiet, now his accusations about Cranley are starting to come out.

The additional payout being discussed in that article is a settlement between the city and Black where he was paid $370,000 to agree not to sue the city about the circumstances regarding his resignation/termination.

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« Reply #1159 on: September 11, 2018, 04:41:53 PM »
Cranley wanted the city to write Black a big check in exchange for him resigning and signing an NDA so that none of Black's dirt on Cranley would ever come out. City Council did not want to agree to that. That drama played out over a period of several weeks. Finally, Cranley was able to get a majority of City Council on board with that plan. So they were about to vote to fire Black, but before City Council could vote, Black resigned. He was paid out a certain amount of severance that was specified by his employment agreement in addition to unused vacation time. But since he did not sign any NDA agreeing to keep quiet, now his accusations about Cranley are starting to come out.

The additional payout being discussed in that article is a settlement between the city and Black where he was paid $370,000 to agree not to sue the city about the circumstances regarding his resignation/termination.

Thanks. What is the possible dirt on Cranley?

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« Reply #1160 on: September 11, 2018, 05:01:40 PM »
Likely there was an agreement signed on resignation of some sort. Just because he resigned vs fired is more semantics. He still gets paid.

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« Reply #1161 on: September 11, 2018, 05:09:53 PM »
Cranley wanted the city to write Black a big check in exchange for him resigning and signing an NDA so that none of Black's dirt on Cranley would ever come out. City Council did not want to agree to that. That drama played out over a period of several weeks. Finally, Cranley was able to get a majority of City Council on board with that plan. So they were about to vote to fire Black, but before City Council could vote, Black resigned. He was paid out a certain amount of severance that was specified by his employment agreement in addition to unused vacation time. But since he did not sign any NDA agreeing to keep quiet, now his accusations about Cranley are starting to come out.

The additional payout being discussed in that article is a settlement between the city and Black where he was paid $370,000 to agree not to sue the city about the circumstances regarding his resignation/termination.

Thanks. What is the possible dirt on Cranley?

Cranley frequently inserts himself into negotiations for development deals, in which he is not supposed to play any role. Remember that the CEO of our city is the City Manager. In our current system of government, the Mayor is not much more than a figure head with a few clearly defined powers, such as nominating or appointing members to various boards, introducing or vetoing legislation, etc. The City Manager was getting frustrated with the Mayor going around his back and making deals, and that's why the battle between them broke out.

More of Harry Black's allegations about John Cranley are coming out:

“(T)he mayor would insert himself into the negotiation for the purpose of giving the developer what it wanted, including using money in the city’s capital budget to fund the project,” the letter alleges. “Mr. Black believed these ‘sweetheart’ deals were fiscally terrible for the city and had contributed to the city’s budget shortfall of $25 million for 2018.”

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« Reply #1162 on: September 11, 2018, 05:12:20 PM »
Cranley wanted the city to write Black a big check in exchange for him resigning and signing an NDA so that none of Black's dirt on Cranley would ever come out. City Council did not want to agree to that. That drama played out over a period of several weeks. Finally, Cranley was able to get a majority of City Council on board with that plan. So they were about to vote to fire Black, but before City Council could vote, Black resigned. He was paid out a certain amount of severance that was specified by his employment agreement in addition to unused vacation time. But since he did not sign any NDA agreeing to keep quiet, now his accusations about Cranley are starting to come out.

The additional payout being discussed in that article is a settlement between the city and Black where he was paid $370,000 to agree not to sue the city about the circumstances regarding his resignation/termination.

Thanks. What is the possible dirt on Cranley?

Cranley frequently inserts himself into negotiations for development deals, in which he is not supposed to play any role. Remember that the CEO of our city is the City Manager. In our current system of government, the Mayor is not much more than a figure head with a few clearly defined powers, such as nominating or appointing members to various boards, introducing or vetoing legislation, etc. The City Manager was getting frustrated with the Mayor going around his back and making deals, and that's why the battle between the City Manager and the Mayor broke out.

More of Harry Black's allegations about John Cranley are coming out:

“(T)he mayor would insert himself into the negotiation for the purpose of giving the developer what it wanted, including using money in the city’s capital budget to fund the project,” the letter alleges. “Mr. Black believed these ‘sweetheart’ deals were fiscally terrible for the city and had contributed to the city’s budget shortfall of $25 million for 2018.”

OK that makes sense.

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« Reply #1163 on: September 11, 2018, 05:30:19 PM »
Not to get off topic, but do all local governments use NDAs as frequently as Cincinnati does? Aftab is wrapped up in a lawsuit right now regarding his use of NDAs (specifically the disparagement clauses, I believe). This is common in the corporate world but seems wildly out of place in the local government world. It's not like these folks are dealing with classified info - the only reason for these agreements seems to be keeping political secrets.

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« Reply #1164 on: September 12, 2018, 09:38:50 AM »
Even classified info is already protected by something stronger than a NDA -- criminal law.