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« Reply #5370 on: June 18, 2018, 09:08:22 AM »
I think the only divide that separates Clifton and OTR is the fact that north of liberty is quite sketchy to walk across, especially at night.

There is no doubt in my mind that if North is liberty was redeveloped you would see more college students and pedestrians walking up and down the hill...itís not a bad walk either, itís just that walking through north of liberty to get to the redeveloped stretches of otr is not the most appealing thought in the world.

I would guess that 40-60% of Americans realistically can't and 90% of Americans won't walk up the hill

I still maintain that the view from Bellevue Hill Park is better than from the chalet on Mont Royal in Montreal, and yet hundreds of people make that hike daily. All it takes is a little promotion and wayfinding, and I think that hike could be a real tourist draw.

I agree that Bellevue Hill Park ought to be promoted more. The concession stand should be open and sell food / drinks / ice cream. If you could get a bite to eat and a drink at the top of the hill, it would make for a really fun destination hike for people who are exploring OTR and want to get a nice view.

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« Reply #5371 on: June 18, 2018, 12:15:19 PM »
WHY was the bar a crack den in the first place? Were the owners drug addicted themselves? Or did they feel that was the only way to get revenue from the bar?

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« Reply #5372 on: June 18, 2018, 12:23:47 PM »
I think the only divide that separates Clifton and OTR is the fact that north of liberty is quite sketchy to walk across, especially at night.

There is no doubt in my mind that if North is liberty was redeveloped you would see more college students and pedestrians walking up and down the hill...itís not a bad walk either, itís just that walking through north of liberty to get to the redeveloped stretches of otr is not the most appealing thought in the world.

I would guess that 40-60% of Americans realistically can't and 90% of Americans won't walk up the hill

I still maintain that the view from Bellevue Hill Park is better than from the chalet on Mont Royal in Montreal, and yet hundreds of people make that hike daily. All it takes is a little promotion and wayfinding, and I think that hike could be a real tourist draw.

I agree that Bellevue Hill Park ought to be promoted more. The concession stand should be open and sell food / drinks / ice cream. If you could get a bite to eat and a drink at the top of the hill, it would make for a really fun destination hike for people who are exploring OTR and want to get a nice view.

Sadly that would be the first thing cut from the budget as a 'luxury' that only other cities who can afford basic services would provide.

Edit: In grade school in the 80's and 90's a friend & his mom worked during the summer manning the concession stand at Mt. Echo park. It was for not much money but was a good place for a young person to experience 'working' and for him mom to make a bit of Christmas money. Probably just made enough money to cover the salaries of the workers but was a nice thing to have as kids when you spent you day at the park and needed a cheap snack. THat is the one thing i noticed when i googled the Montreal Park mentioned above is that the chalet itself is a hub of activity and beauty in and of itself and the view is a bonus. Maybe if the long rumored Biergarten & Tram were there Bellevue park would be an attraction but the park itself other than the cool Googie concrete structure is rather dead.
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« Reply #5373 on: June 18, 2018, 12:30:37 PM »
WHY was the bar a crack den in the first place? Were the owners drug addicted themselves? Or did they feel that was the only way to get revenue from the bar?

The owners of the building claimed ignorance and said they were being taken advantage of by the patrons, but that's a load of !%#^*.  Just like the cell phone store that was in the same building, they didn't care if illegal activity was going on as long as they were making money.  That is the same money they refused to use to fix up their building that has been crumbling in around them for many, many years.  Basically, the owners are real pieces of !%#^*.
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« Reply #5374 on: June 20, 2018, 03:51:37 PM »
The black plywood boxes have been removed from the fronts of Pins Mechanical Co. and the former Japp's Annex space, revealing the actual building facade underneath.

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« Reply #5375 on: June 20, 2018, 04:20:03 PM »
Nice hopefully that means Pins is opening soon, that place is going to make a killing just like 16 Bit.  It will also be nice to add another place people can go out in that area as pretty much every place is packed on nice weekends.  Is something going in the former Japp's Annex?  If that was announced I must have missed it. 

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« Reply #5376 on: June 20, 2018, 04:36:47 PM »
Nice hopefully that means Pins is opening soon, that place is going to make a killing just like 16 Bit.  It will also be nice to add another place people can go out in that area as pretty much every place is packed on nice weekends.  Is something going in the former Japp's Annex?  If that was announced I must have missed it. 

The reason Japp's Annex closed is because UrbanSites needed to use that space to facilitate the renovation of the upper floors into office space. I don't know if they have a tenant in mind for that space but it does look like they've installed a new generic facade for it.

I think Pins is aiming for a fall opening.

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« Reply #5377 on: June 20, 2018, 05:24:45 PM »
They could serve drinks on a mattress with an animatronic scientist dropping bowling balls, ad nauseam. 

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« Reply #5378 on: June 20, 2018, 07:30:39 PM »
Co-living project gets tax credits for $1.2M expansion in OTR



A Cincinnati group that opened the city's first co-living space last year is getting state tax credits for a $1.2 million project to rehabilitate two buildings to expand in Over-the-Rhine.

Kunst is a group that renovates historic buildings to create apartments and living quarters that are a bit more communal. Its first project, at 2411 Gilbert Ave. in Walnut Hills, is a co-living space with private bedrooms, four bathrooms, two kitchens and a lot of common space.

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/06/20/co-living-project-gets-tax-credits-for-1-2m.html
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« Reply #5379 on: June 20, 2018, 09:21:13 PM »
Any update about what is going on with that race st project across from Music Hall? It involved demolishing 2 buildings?

I know the hcb approved the project and everything but Iíve seen no movement on this whatsoever. Curious whatís going on?

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« Reply #5380 on: June 21, 2018, 08:14:04 AM »
Any update about what is going on with that race st project across from Music Hall? It involved demolishing 2 buildings?

I know the hcb approved the project and everything but Iíve seen no movement on this whatsoever. Curious whatís going on?

Me and you both!  I'll try and check with the guy who lives right next door to the project to see if he's heard anything.
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« Reply #5381 on: June 21, 2018, 08:17:07 AM »
Last I heard, Allscreen printing was still planning on moving out in August. Once they are out of the old garage building, demo could then start.

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« Reply #5382 on: June 21, 2018, 09:13:50 AM »
Nice hopefully that means Pins is opening soon, that place is going to make a killing just like 16 Bit.  It will also be nice to add another place people can go out in that area as pretty much every place is packed on nice weekends.  Is something going in the former Japp's Annex?  If that was announced I must have missed it. 

The reason Japp's Annex closed is because UrbanSites needed to use that space to facilitate the renovation of the upper floors into office space. I don't know if they have a tenant in mind for that space but it does look like they've installed a new generic facade for it.

I think Pins is aiming for a fall opening.

That is where LouVino is opening. WCPO had an article about it a while back.

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« Reply #5383 on: June 21, 2018, 10:49:21 AM »
Good news for northern edge of OTR in the latest round of historic tax credits:

100 E Clifton: ground floor restaurant plus 6 residential units
101 Peete: five residential units
105 Peete: five residential units
207 W McMicken: 3 residential units
205 W McMicken: co-living... not sure how many bedrooms

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/06/20/co-living-project-gets-tax-credits-for-1-2m.html
https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/06/21/three-over-the-rhine-properties-land-historic-tax.html

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« Reply #5385 on: June 21, 2018, 11:39:41 AM »
I missed a few other OTR projects that received awards in the latest round: https://www.wcpo.com/news/transportation-development/development/cincinnati-s-traction-building-hamilton-s-champion-paper-mill-win-big-in-historic-tax-credits

22 W. Elder St., Cincinnati
Total Project Cost:  $1,816,167
Total Tax Credit:  $180,000
Part of a much larger revitalization project by the Model Group near Findlay Market in Over-the-Rhine, this vacant building will be rehabilitated into four apartments and a commercial space on the ground floor.
 
430-432 W. McMicken Ave., Cincinnati
Total Project Cost:  $465,244
Total Tax Credit:  $51,000
This duplex tells the story of the settlement, development, and population trends of the Mohawk area of Cincinnati. Built prior to 1880, it is one of the few surviving wood-frame buildings in the area. After extreme water damage caused structural failure to the rear of the building, the current owners plan to rehabilitate the building into apartments, retaining its historic fabric.

1919 Vine St., Cincinnati
Total Project Cost:  $423,662
Total Tax Credit:  $83,000
1919 Vine Street is one of three "sister" buildings that were all built around the same time of similar appearance. It remained in residential use from the time it was built in 1905 until it was vacated a few years ago. After completion, it will house two market-rate apartments. The developer is also working on a project up the street that received tax credits in a recent round.

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« Reply #5386 on: June 21, 2018, 01:23:57 PM »
Interesting to see how many of the projects awarded in this round are up along McMicken Ave and nearby streets along the base of the hill. I really hope progress keeps moving that direction as the curve in Vine street and the five point intersection just South of it could be the coolest and most unique neighborhood area in the Midwest if it comes together.

I know many here complain that too many single family and lower density projects are coming to OTR, but there are some really big buildings along McMicken and Clifton that could hold some really meaningful residential density eventually. We need to keep pressing North, and keep working towards making the Brewery district a real thing. I know 3CDC has said they are soon going to be turning south toward Court street but I feel like they (not sure who else could do it) need to redevelop Findlay Playground or Grant Park to be a new anchor to the brewery district (much like Washington park did for southern OTR and Zeigler park has done for Pendleton). 

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« Reply #5387 on: June 21, 2018, 01:39:42 PM »
^Yeah. I agree that the stretch of Vine from the "curve" down to the five points intersection has a ton of potential. The five points intersection needs some road diet and re-engineering to make it easier to navigate, for pedestrians, cyclists, and cars. I think that smarter signal timing could allow the the intersection to allow for smoother traffic flow AND allow for curb bumpouts, making it safer and easier for pedestrian crossing.

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« Reply #5388 on: June 21, 2018, 02:17:15 PM »
^Yeah. I agree that the stretch of Vine from the "curve" down to the five points intersection has a ton of potential. The five points intersection needs some road diet and re-engineering to make it easier to navigate, for pedestrians, cyclists, and cars. I think that smarter signal timing could allow the the intersection to allow for smoother traffic flow AND allow for curb bumpouts, making it safer and easier for pedestrian crossing.

The light sequence was quicker back when Vine was one-way north.  Now southbound has the option of going south on Vine or being routed over to Race but they had to add a phase to the light sequence in order to make that possible. 

Switching Findlay from one-way east to one-way west could remove that phase. 



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« Reply #5389 on: June 21, 2018, 02:29:47 PM »
Switching Findlay from one-way east to one-way west could remove that phase. 

Findlay is one way west already

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« Reply #5390 on: June 21, 2018, 02:51:08 PM »
Switching Findlay from one-way east to one-way west could remove that phase. 

Findlay is one way west already

My bad.  They'd have to switch it to one-way east and prohibit left turns from Findlay north to Vine...which is basically the situation right now.  You have to go down to Elder then north on Vine in order to go north on Vine. 

So a green-light cycle for McMicken would briefly block right turns onto Vine south while Findlay gets to go either to Vine south or McMicken southeast.  McMicken by the fire station gets to continue on McMicken or turn right onto Vine uphill for 2x light cycles. 



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« Reply #5391 on: June 21, 2018, 02:54:22 PM »
Wouldn't making Findlay east make the intersection way worse?

I think they should get rid of the right turn from northbound Vine onto eastbound McMicken. You can turn onto Elder Street to get onto McMicken from Vine.

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« Reply #5392 on: June 21, 2018, 02:57:31 PM »
Nice hopefully that means Pins is opening soon, that place is going to make a killing just like 16 Bit.  It will also be nice to add another place people can go out in that area as pretty much every place is packed on nice weekends.  Is something going in the former Japp's Annex?  If that was announced I must have missed it. 

The reason Japp's Annex closed is because UrbanSites needed to use that space to facilitate the renovation of the upper floors into office space. I don't know if they have a tenant in mind for that space but it does look like they've installed a new generic facade for it.

I think Pins is aiming for a fall opening.

That is where LouVino is opening. WCPO had an article about it a while back.

I see. They have it listed on their website too.

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« Reply #5393 on: June 21, 2018, 04:35:16 PM »
Wouldn't making Findlay east make the intersection way worse?

I think they should get rid of the right turn from northbound Vine onto eastbound McMicken. You can turn onto Elder Street to get onto McMicken from Vine.

I think I've posted this before, but that intersection needs to eliminate a cycle by having northbound and southbound Vine move at the same time. Arrows or no left turns could be worked in if needed. The walk signals need to be better integrated, as well. Right now you can only get a walk signal if you hit the request button. The button triggers ALL of the walk signs, and all the traffic lights go to red. It's a strange setup. Half the time people end up crossing against the signal because they don't see the button and get sick of waiting around.


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« Reply #5394 on: June 21, 2018, 04:55:04 PM »


I think I've posted this before, but that intersection needs to eliminate a cycle by having northbound and southbound Vine move at the same time. Arrows or no left turns could be worked in if needed. The walk signals need to be better integrated, as well. Right now you can only get a walk signal if you hit the request button. The button triggers ALL of the walk signs, and all the traffic lights go to red. It's a strange setup. Half the time people end up crossing against the signal because they don't see the button and get sick of waiting around.

It's because when they made Vine 2-way they did a half-ass job back when nobody cared.  It basically never happens that you drive down Vine or W. Clifton and get through both intersections.  That's okay, but there shouldn't be a 5-minute wait.  It seems like at least if not more priority is given to McMicken St., when undoubtedly Vine is the busier street. 

That said, I like that the place is such a mess.  There usually something obnoxious going on to watch while you wait for the light to change. 




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« Reply #5395 on: June 21, 2018, 05:01:01 PM »
I think I've posted this before, but that intersection needs to eliminate a cycle by having northbound and southbound Vine move at the same time. Arrows or no left turns could be worked in if needed. The walk signals need to be better integrated, as well. Right now you can only get a walk signal if you hit the request button. The button triggers ALL of the walk signs, and all the traffic lights go to red. It's a strange setup. Half the time people end up crossing against the signal because they don't see the button and get sick of waiting around.

It's because when they made Vine 2-way they did a half-ass job back when nobody cared.  It basically never happens that you drive down Vine or W. Clifton and get through both intersections.  That's okay, but there shouldn't be a 5-minute wait.  It seems like at least if not more priority is given to McMicken St., when undoubtedly Vine is the busier street. 

That said, I like that the place is such a mess.  There usually something obnoxious going on to watch while you wait for the light to change. 
It's fine (possibly even desirable to slow cars speeding down the hill) if you cars have to stop at the lights, but the cycles should be shortened. I agree with the ideas proposed by Ram23. I think the intersection should be set up with just 1 lane for left turns and 1 lane for straight/right turn. That would free allow for some more 24/7 on-street parking which would provide a much needed buffer for the apartments/houses with front doors opening right onto Vine.

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« Reply #5396 on: June 21, 2018, 05:04:20 PM »
Yeah that 5 points area undoubtedly could be the coolest area in the city. Will be a long time before it gets more shored up though. 

As others have said, I do hope 3CDC, while shifting more focus downtown, does continue to push north up Vine Street.  Especially with a Findlay Playground makeover and parking ramp like in Washington Park.  They could also do some work on some of the toughest buildings and some of the big gaps.

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« Reply #5397 on: June 21, 2018, 05:24:39 PM »
Incidentally, the Findlay Playground is owned by the city and is not a park.  Theoretically it could be redeveloped into buildings. 

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« Reply #5398 on: June 24, 2018, 12:16:57 PM »
Some observations from otr pride night...

1. The fact that Below Zero is the only gay club in the urban core is a tragedy. We need way more gay clubs to meet the demand, especially since cincy has a seemingly high gay friendly population.

I kid you not, the line to get in below zero literally stretched past the Emery, on to Central Park Way. It took me about 2 hours to get inside at around 10pm last night.

Simply ridiculous.


2. Once again late night food options in otr is such a struggle. Specifically on main st, goodfellas had a line that stretched a block, and had many a 1 hour wait line. For pizza...

Iím not in tune with economics of otr and what it costs to open a business but Jesus how hard must it be to open a few more hole in the wall pizza parlors? There are just way to many bars and clubs, and simply not enough quick food options.

Again, waiting for an hour to get a slice of pizza speaks volumes about the lack of supply versus the demand.


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« Reply #5399 on: June 24, 2018, 12:24:37 PM »
It's still a little weird to me that Dayton has 5 gay bars downtown but Cincinnati only has, what, Below Zero and Main Event? But then again Dayton also has a bunch of strip clubs too and you have to cross the river to get to any in the Cincy metro.
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