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« Reply #5280 on: June 01, 2018, 10:54:13 AM »
There are not "tons of cheap garages" around the courthouse. Parking for the HCJFS and Court and Justice employees is a big problem. You just don't know anyone who works there.

Elect some communists. They know how to manage this stuff from the top down which is what you really want, right? Some Commissar to dictate what kind of parking people should have?

HUH?

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« Reply #5281 on: June 01, 2018, 11:39:42 AM »
Itís not socialist or communist to point out that surface parking lots are bad for cities. Itís a tragedy of the commons problem. Yes the owners of the lots are going to make money but if everyone wrecked down their buildings for lots there wouldnít be a city left to drive to. Hundreds of cities and towns have committed suicide in this way.

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« Reply #5282 on: June 01, 2018, 11:46:42 AM »
There are not "tons of cheap garages" around the courthouse. Parking for the HCJFS and Court and Justice employees is a big problem. That's why the lots are always full. You just don't know anyone who works there.

Elect some communists. They know how to manage this stuff from the top down which is what you really want, right? Some Commissar to dictate what kind of parking people should have? Or are you just lamenting how stupid people are?

It's funny you know so much about me. I actually live downtown and my girlfriend works at the Courthouse, so I guess you're wrong on two accounts. I park in a garage right near there that has only been full once since I've lived here, and that was during Blink. On a weekend.

As for your second part, I have no idea what you're talking about. We currently have parking minimums all over the city. I'm all for abolishing them and letting the free market decide how much parking to build. Right now the scales are tipped in favor of MORE, MORE, MORE. We literally have government dictating to developers how much parking they should have, and it makes it incredibly hard to actually build anything because it is expensive to build structured parking.

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« Reply #5283 on: June 01, 2018, 11:48:19 AM »
HUH?

Appropriate response...

Giant surface lots are horrible for cities. I can't imagine why anyone would defend the existence of these two huge lots as if people would somehow suffer to find parking elsewhere if they were redeveloped.

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« Reply #5284 on: June 01, 2018, 12:18:44 PM »
Wonít the Kroger tower include parking above? Iím sure that will be convenient for court house employees....

Iím just curious how many parking garages do we need to build more in order to serve those employees?

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« Reply #5285 on: June 01, 2018, 12:25:41 PM »
Wonít the Kroger tower include parking above? Iím sure that will be convenient for court house employees....

Iím just curious how many parking garages do we need to build more in order to serve those employees?

You're correct.

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« Reply #5286 on: June 01, 2018, 12:27:42 PM »
There's also the giant casino parking garage close by

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« Reply #5287 on: June 01, 2018, 12:39:11 PM »
I've noticed that the huge massive Pendelton lots now have banners advertising as parking for the Pendelton Resturaunt District. I'm guessing it makes sense considering there is now a brewery, and a few resturaunts already there. The pendelton area seems to be becoming quite active nowadays.

I just wish we had an inside track of who the owner of those pendelotn lots are? Is it one single person? Have they been getting offers on those lots? The amount of land, could lead to a huge massive mixed use development. I just wish we knew why they are still sitting as parking, especially when there are so many parking options right now in OTR already...

Several parking lots in OTR and Pendleton that used to be "monthly permit parking only" have recently installed kiosks and are allowing hourly parking in the evening hours. Another one like this is the Peaslee Neighborhood Center's parking lot on 14th. They all put up very similar signage, so it makes me wonder if they're being operated by the same company, even though the owners are different for each lot.

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« Reply #5288 on: June 01, 2018, 12:58:55 PM »
Would it be safe to say this is a matter of supply versus demand? Sure, the OTR/Pendleton area is booming, but the reality is that there are probably over 50-100 vacant lots, if not more.

I am the under the impression that the sycamore lots will only become developed when all of Pedelton and OTR are built out.

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« Reply #5289 on: June 01, 2018, 01:30:55 PM »
If a developer wants to come in and build a huge new development, as in hundreds of apartments, there are only a few places to do that. Liberty & Elm is one. The Sycamore lots are another. Most of the vacant lots in OTR/Pendleton are much smaller and only big enough for a single-family home or 4-6 unit condo building.

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« Reply #5290 on: June 01, 2018, 01:48:52 PM »
Would it be safe to say this is a matter of supply versus demand? Sure, the OTR/Pendleton area is booming, but the reality is that there are probably over 50-100 vacant lots, if not more.

I am the under the impression that the sycamore lots will only become developed when all of Pedelton and OTR are built out.

To a certain extent yes. But like I said, there's all kinds of hidden taxes and fees that come along with development. Parking requirements are one. Usually you have to build structured parking in an urban setting to make it fit and structured parking costs $25,000 per space on average. I don't know what the parking requirement is in Pendleton but if it's the normal 2 per unit, that's a $50,000 cost per unit. A developer building a 200 unit apartment complex would be on the hook for an additional $10 million cost that might not be necessary. That's a huge impediment to development. On the other hand it's damn near free to run a surface lot because we all bear the costs, not the owner.

Seriously, everyone should read The High Cost of Free Parking. It'll change the way you look at the world.

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« Reply #5291 on: June 07, 2018, 03:10:02 PM »
The brick facade of 165 E McMicken is being completely rebuilt. Glad to see this kind of intensive  (expensive) work getting done. Sorry for the grainy photo (the sun was setting behind the building so the facade was in the shadow):


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« Reply #5292 on: June 07, 2018, 03:14:40 PM »
^ I noticed that this past weekend - did part of the facade fall off or was it voluntarily rebuilt? The way the cornice was precariously floating there looks like part of the facade may have collapsed.

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« Reply #5293 on: June 07, 2018, 03:32:19 PM »
^Not sure. I hadn't noticed any work being done previously, so it did seem rather abrupt to see the whole facade get rebuilt. 

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« Reply #5294 on: June 07, 2018, 08:02:13 PM »
^ I noticed that this past weekend - did part of the facade fall off or was it voluntarily rebuilt? The way the cornice was precariously floating there looks like part of the facade may have collapsed.

It did not collapse but had significant water damage. I walked the buildings 3-4 years ago and there was significant damage even then.

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« Reply #5295 on: June 08, 2018, 05:34:18 PM »
Huge OTR retail news. Bonobos, a major NYC HQ retail clothing brand will be located in otr. Itís a very popular clothing brand , and surprised that OTR was able to land a location.

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« Reply #5296 on: June 08, 2018, 06:09:53 PM »
Huge OTR retail news. Bonobos, a major NYC HQ retail clothing brand will be located in otr. Itís a very popular clothing brand , and surprised that OTR was able to land a location.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/c/Bonobos/Job/Store-Manager,-Cincinnati/-in-Cincinnati,OH?ojob=7ba98b3d7cc155fd02a7c74c50a55340

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« Reply #5297 on: June 08, 2018, 06:49:39 PM »
That's surprising... I wonder where they are opening and if more national retail brands will follow. Anthropology opened on Short North in Columbus so why not

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« Reply #5298 on: June 08, 2018, 06:54:47 PM »
That's surprising... I wonder where they are opening and if more national retail brands will follow. Anthropology opened on Short North in Columbus so why not

It will be on Vine St, right next to the Sacred Beast...so Iím guessing 3cdc was responsible for this. Surprising since itís semi large a national chain, with 48 locations in the US.

I wonder if 3cdc might be beginning to diversify local and national now for their retail?

I still think there is no reason why otr canít have other chains like Starbucks and H&M/Victoria Secret...






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« Reply #5299 on: June 08, 2018, 09:07:54 PM »
3CDC should only allow national retailers if they don't undercut local competition by offering lower quality, readymade, meretricious goods. The swill that is Starbucks coffee would be the example par excellence of that.
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« Reply #5300 on: June 09, 2018, 06:43:02 AM »
Read a little about Bonobos. An interesting story. Odd.

But, I think they have located poorly for their "guide shop" store model.

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« Reply #5301 on: June 09, 2018, 09:21:08 AM »
Now if they can land an Apple store.

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« Reply #5302 on: June 09, 2018, 11:20:00 AM »
Read a little about Bonobos. An interesting story. Odd.

But, I think they have located poorly for their "guide shop" store model.

 Curious, why do you think they located poorly?

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« Reply #5303 on: June 09, 2018, 12:26:18 PM »
Bonobos is owned by Walmart.

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« Reply #5304 on: June 09, 2018, 01:16:51 PM »
Read a little about Bonobos. An interesting story. Odd.

But, I think they have located poorly for their "guide shop" store model.

 Curious, why do you think they located poorly?

The demographic is apparent from their online store. Its about $100 button down cotton shirts, $70 polos, $1000 suits. Sort of a hip alternative to Brooks Bros.

I see that as urban junior executive types. Not at all what lives or visits upper vine in OTR.

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« Reply #5305 on: June 09, 2018, 02:18:07 PM »
In a year or so there will literally be hundreds of that type of person working within a couple of blocks of this store. I think it'll do just fine in this location.

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« Reply #5306 on: June 09, 2018, 04:43:00 PM »
In a year or so there will literally be hundreds of that type of person working within a couple of blocks of this store. I think it'll do just fine in this location.

I take it you have not been in the workplace recently.

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« Reply #5307 on: June 10, 2018, 02:11:11 AM »
Um...I'm a 29 year old professional. I assure you I have.

Several of my coworkers are regular shoppers at Bonobos here in NYC. Our office dresses pretty much like any other young professional office does. I guarantee this does well in that location.
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« Reply #5308 on: June 10, 2018, 07:17:30 AM »
Yea? So do you think some guys from NYC will be stopping by OTR as the hundreds you claim will be doing so?

Because I have been in most every public and private business of significance here in Cincinnati and I don't think you will find that inventory on many office workers here.
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« Reply #5309 on: June 10, 2018, 08:25:59 AM »
My office here dresses almost identically to my office in Cincinnati. As do the several OTR firms I interviewed with before deciding to go a different direction and leave Cincinnati. Modern young professional attire (which is what Bonobos is) is incredibly common. You don't exactly need to capture a high percentage of workers in the area to do well.

This is a brand owned by one of the largest corporations on earth. Do you actually believe you somehow know more than they do with their array of market analysts? What a ridiculous claim that you have somehow been in every office of significance. Give me a break.
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