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NYC: World Trade Center
« on: September 07, 2006, 04:07:12 PM »
this is hot off the blogworld press. the neighboring buildings to the wtc freedom tower in downtown manhattan were just announced. fav reaction quotes below? "ray nagin was right," "where's howard roarke when you need him?" and the inevitable dallas, chicago, office park & hong kong comparisons. so here are the renderings via curbed:

BREAKING: Freedom Tower's Friends Come Out to Play
Thursday, September 7, 2006, by Lockhart









Let's take a closer look at the just-announced designs for Freedom's Friends at the World Trade Center Site, shall we. David Dunlap observes, "It may look like an instance of urban randomness." True, that—and yet, on first blush, we're quite taken with the group.

TOWER 2
Architect: Norman Foster
Design Concept: 78 stories (taller, in height, than the Empire State Building). Four diamonds on the roof slant to the memorial below. Probably architecurally superior to the Freedom Tower, begging the question of how Childs let it slip through.
In a Word: Bling!

TOWER 3
Architect: Richard Rogers
Design Concept: 71 stories. Beams form a trippy exposed framework. The longer we stare at it, the more we're drawn in. Oddly compelling.
In a Word: Skeletal!

TOWER 4
Architect: Fumihiko Maki
Design Concept: 61 stories that strike us as surprisingly bland despite its parallelogram-cum-trapezoid scheme. Writes Dunlap, "The upper part of the facade inclines toward the towers to the north and is meant as a unifying gesture." Um, okay.
In a Word: Blah!

more chatter + links here:
http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006/09/07/breaking_freedom_towers_friends_come_out_to_play.php

http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006/09/07/freedoms_friends_the_curbed_instant_guide.php
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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2006, 06:54:36 PM »
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"The upper part of the facade inclines toward the towers to the north and is meant as a unifying gesture."

Yeah thats the first thing I thought about when viewing the 4th tower :roll:
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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2006, 08:01:33 PM »
Tower 2 reminds me of that "diamond" building in Chicago, just steroided and multiplied by 4.
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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2006, 08:49:43 PM »
I enjoy how the grouping of buildings creates a negative space within, instilling a quieting void, as if to suggest the imminent upthrusting of a proudly-raised middle finger.
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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2006, 12:15:05 PM »
some more bloggy reactions here:

Following up on yesterday's twin Curbed threads, and this morning's linkage, about the fresh fresh designs for Towers 3, 4, and 5 at the World Trade Center site, a look at some of the critical commentary swirling in the ether...

1) Tropolism: "Rogers: also known as a smaller and easier to maintain Hongkong and Shanghai Bank. With a little Bank of China in there. Thanks Foster and Pei for the idea! Boldly x-bracing on the exterior. Totally haven't seen that before. Really bold."
2) James Gardner, NYSun: "Yet, none of them is bad — which is already something in New York — and each demonstrates a certain grace and distinction."
3) Archinect boards: "Architecture in this country has no chance until these goons die off. Hopefully the next generation of American architects is smart enough not to follow down the same path of uninspired dreck and bold enough to demand for and politically provide an architecture and urbanism that responds to the very dire needs of American society."

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These building would be nice if they were in say, Houston or LA, but here they're entirely unremarkable here. And that whole diagonal diamond thing is the WORST- it just multiplies the much unloved design of that one building in Chicago (the one no one knows the name of...). And what's up with chopping off the top one for the antennae? UGLY. Mark my words, we'll be looking back with regret at what could have been.

Too bad. I guess we'll just let Chicago keep the most impressive skyline in the world...

By opinionated at September 8, 2006 11:24 AM2.
I changed my mind. I misspoke, or spoke too soon. I didn't mean to say that Chicago's skyline was the most impressive in the world, or even more impressive than New York's. How can it be when New York's is probably about 3.5 times the length and includes islands and bridges that offer an unmatched environment?

I just meant Chicago has a dozen or so buildings that are truly unique whereas we only have about 10 or so and such our skyline is so much more powerful and so much bigger they tend to get lost in the mix.

And i didn't mean to say "in the world..." I've just never thought about anything outside of the U.S. since I've never left Staten Island. I'm sure there are adozen Asian cities alone at this point more impressive than Chicago...

By opinionated at September 8, 2006 11:47 AM3.
why is danny even in that picture?

By rockitect at September 8, 2006 11:47 AM4.
they needed a cute midget whipping boy.

By Anonymous at September 8, 2006 11:55 AM5.
unispired dreck is right. That diamond one is reallly sh!tty.

By papercutninja at September 8, 2006 12:08 PM6.
daniel's standing on a stool. he's not that tall.

By danny devito at September 8, 2006 12:21 PM7.
Opinionated, what original towers does Chicago have? Hancock, fine. Sears, ok, but it's hideous.

Meanwhile, NY has hundreds of more pre-war skyscrapers than Chicago, ALL of which are original. NY had the first international style tower, the first post modern tower, and I believe Foster's tower will be one of the first "futuristic towers" a new breed of skyscraper.

Chicago with a better skyline than New York? Give me a break. Chicago's is 2 dimensional. Walk around New York and there's just towers every which way.

Some people will never be f$&kin pleased. 3 towers over 1,150 feet, all with great designs. What more do you want?

By hi at September 8, 2006 1:18 PM8.
New York has: AIG Building, Woolworth Building, Chrystler, the Municipal Building, the Empire, Metlife, GE Building(the original), Rockefeller, Citicorp.... the list goes on. Chicago has the Sears and John Hancock tower and? Granted their building have the freedom of space and actually receive sunlight but NY def has more note worthy buildings that Chicago (minus the freedom towers of course).

By Anonymous at September 8, 2006 1:25 PM9.
Most disappointing is tower 5. yawn!

By critical_i at September 8, 2006 1:47 PM

http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006/09/08/freedoms_friends_the_instareviews.php

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Yes, this tower is already in the Dallas skyline. Albeit much short and all glass but same shape. Great, just what we need, a Texas building in NY. No wonder this rebuilding process has taken so long. Bush is involved!!!

By Anonymous at September 8, 2006 1:34 PM
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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2006, 12:23:23 PM »
Tower 4 reminds me of that "diamond" building in Chicago, just steroided and multiplied by 4.

I think you mean tower 2 :-D

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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2006, 02:30:37 PM »
I find it really interesting to read these reactions.

The Twin Towers were chided by everyone in the archetecture world when they were built and I'm seeing a lot of the exact same reactions.

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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2006, 03:51:20 PM »
Tower 4 reminds me of that "diamond" building in Chicago, just steroided and multiplied by 4.

I think you mean tower 2 :-D

Good catch!  My bad!  Edited.
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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2006, 06:53:32 PM »
some more commentary today:






Freedom's Friends: Inevitable Critical Backlash Edition

Monday, September 11, 2006, by Lockhart

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Following Friday's insta-reviews and reader vote (current tally: 61.6% for, 38.4% against), two august architectural critics weigh in on the three towers proposed for the World Trade Center site...

1) Nikolai Ourousoff, NYTimes: "The designs rise above the mediocrity we have come to expect... But for those who cling to the idea that the site’s haunting history demands a leap of imagination, the towers illustrate how low our expectations have sunk since the city first resolved to rebuild there in a surge of determination just weeks after 9/11."

2) The Guttersniper, The Gutter*: "Yes, it is passing strange that Lord Foster's design should so closely mimic the idiot blanks of Danny's master plan and not his own spire circa 2003. Yes, Richard Rogers' busybee trusselated mass should be aborted post haste. Sure, Fumihiko Maki's tower is a straight rip of that triangular thing at 53rd and Lex that is already a sad homage to its noble Midtown neighbor, Citicorp. But the real action, as ever, is elsewhere."

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how i wish someone would've decided to rebuild the twin towers on a different footprint within the site. leaving the original footprints as a memorial....

By anon at September 11, 2006 7:23 PM
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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2006, 05:27:06 PM »
some good news that sure caught me off guard. construction of the freedom tower has begun:



 
Workers created a steel cage that will support elevators and stairwells when construction of the Freedom Tower begins tomorrow. Officials in New York said Wednesday that progress has sped up in rebuilding the World Trade Center site, devastated on 9/11.
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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2006, 08:09:00 PM »
some more good news today via gothamist blog:


December 16, 2006
Freedom Tower Beams at Battery Park City

In another sign that progress is being made at the World Trade Center site, the first of the steel beams to be used in the building of the Freedom Tower will be on display at Battery Park City tomorrow. Starting at 10 a.m. relatives of 9/11 victims and first responders will be able to sign the thirty-ton beam. Between noon and 3 p.m. the public will be allowed to also sign the beam, which will be at the intersection of North End Avenue and Murray Street.

In other World Trade Center news, Welles Crowther, who died in the September 11th attacks, was awarded the title of honorary firefighter by the FDNY yesterday. This is the first time the Fire Department has given the honor posthumously. Crowther, an equities trader who was considering quitting his job to join the Fire Department, rescued at least five people before perishing. Among those he saved was Ling Young, whom he escorted down twenty flights of stairs after she was badly burned. "Once he figured out we were okay, he went back up," according to Young.


Photo of World Trade Center beams being shipped to America by Joe Woolhead courtesy of Silverstein Properties.


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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2006, 02:09:48 PM »
the first steel beams have arrived and were signed by families:
 
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Public Signs Freedom Tower Beam
December 17, 2006

As workers prepare to install the first steel beams of the Freedom Tower this week, members of the public were given a chance to leave their mark this weekend.  With steady hands and heavy hearts, dozens of 9/11 families, first responders and members of the general public signed messages of love and remembrance Sunday on a steel beam on display in Battery Park City that will become part of the Freedom Tower.  The nearly 35-foot beam will not be visible once the 1,776 foot building is complete, but those gathered were still eager to leave their mark.

 
video here:
http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=203&aid=65156


edit: i found a cool pic here:

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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2006, 03:58:26 PM »
^And I never want to see that beam again!

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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2007, 06:59:16 PM »
here's a video news link too:

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=73316


Silverstein Unveils Final Designs For Three WTC Site Towers
September 06, 2007
 


The final designs for Towers Two, Three and Four at the World Trade Center site were unveiled at the 7 World Trade Center today, less than one week before the sixth anniversary of the September 11th attacks.  Developer Larry Silverstein and a group of architects unveiled the final, updated designs for the three buildings, which are scheduled to begin construction in January.
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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2007, 07:21:48 PM »
Anyone else getting a Bank of China (HK) vibe from building 3?

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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2007, 07:32:47 PM »
^ yeah and that building in chicago too.

the ny post had a good graphic about what is going on down there now:





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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2007, 07:39:56 PM »
Thanks for posting this.
I wonder why there is nothing about this in the mainstream media?
Nothing on CNN or Drudge.

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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2007, 07:54:15 PM »
Definitely not getting an NYC vibe from these designs, but more progress is needed on the site.

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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2007, 08:00:35 PM »
Pretty boring designs.

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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2007, 09:01:06 PM »
Thanks for posting these from the curbed.com website (ain't that the coolest site).  I like the slickness of some of the designs, like Tower 2.  But what a 180 degree turn from the Libeskind master plan.  That master plan tried to coordinate the individual towers into a larger urban design.  These towers just do their own thing and ignore their neighbors. 

And my favorite comment so far from curbed was "We waited six years and they copied downtown Houston?". 
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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2007, 10:14:28 PM »
Funny, but yes, it looks like Downtown Houston or Dallas.  And my those are some big $$$ numbers there.  A $2 billion transit hub?!  Total rebuilding cost of $16-17 billion?  Wow!

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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2007, 10:18:36 PM »
I love these designs. The modernity and stark nature of the former World Trade Center was first criticized as being too harsh and boring, in comparison to the Empire State Building and the Chrysler Building, but the innovative design soon caught on. Same goes with other major buildings, and I believe that this design will appeal to most peoples tastes over time.

If you haven't been to the former World Trade Center site, it is well worth the visit to view the enormous footprint that was destroyed.

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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2007, 02:38:31 PM »
Pretty boring designs.

I'm glad somebody said it.
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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2007, 03:52:39 PM »

Congrats on preserving the complete lack of human scale.

(i realize that's a bit hard to do with a super tall, but still)
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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2007, 05:57:08 PM »
It looks like Planet Krypton.

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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2007, 06:07:01 PM »

Congrats on preserving the complete lack of human scale.

(i realize that's a bit hard to do with a super tall, but still)

I don't know what you're talking about. Those ants look perfectly to scale.
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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2007, 11:21:35 AM »
I kind of like the cladding shown on the building, but that lobby looks like a mess.  Nothing like seeing a frantic mess of vertical circulation as you set foot into your office building.

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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2007, 06:31:40 PM »
I love it!   

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Re: New York: World Trade Center site news
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2008, 12:04:44 PM »
FYI: Getting ready to post an article on the World Trade Center site and noticed that there are two other threads here in Arch & Pres relating to WTC updates...

1) "wtc freedom tower's neighboring building renderings unveiled today" at http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,10370.0.html

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2) "wtc: detailed final renderings released today" at http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,14040.msg217438.html#msg217438
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