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Re: Cleveland: Lakefront Development News
« Reply #1470 on: July 22, 2014, 11:55:36 AM »
Success for Cleveland's new lakefront pedestrian bridge requires high speed design excellence
By  Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer   

It was big news for city planning and urban design in Cleveland last week that Cuyahoga County launched the search for a team to design the long-desired pedestrian bridge that would link the downtown Mall to North Coast Harbor.

Coupled with plans to revamp Public Square by 2016, the pedestrian bridge has the potential to project a global image of Cleveland as a can-do city that has the capacity to carry out ambitious public works at lightning speed.

But the county's deadline of finishing the bridge in time for the Republican National Convention here in 2016 should come with a significant caveat.

With speed comes risk. The danger is that without a spectacular performance by all concerned during the critically important early design phase, the city could settle for a project that might fail to make the most of an extraordinary opportunity.

more at: http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2014/07/success_in_designing_cleveland.html#incart_river


History shows that the entire North Coast Harbor area has grown through accretion in a series of ad hoc decisions.


The result being little to no connection between the Rock Hall, Science Center and Stadium. Problems to be addressed in the future, where good planning would've saved time and money. Given this narrow window I'm thinking money would've been better spent improving E 9th. For the North Coast Harbor/Mall connector there just doesn't seem to be enough time to have something that's both iconic AND well thought out.

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Re: Cleveland: Lakefront Development News
« Reply #1471 on: July 22, 2014, 12:05:04 PM »
Good Lord.

Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer 1 hour ago
@ciceropolo Thanks for your comment. As the article points out, there is no larger, master plan vision for this part of the lakefront. I would agree one is needed.

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Re: Cleveland: Lakefront Development News
« Reply #1472 on: July 22, 2014, 12:11:17 PM »
My question is will the fact that they are going over railroad tracks result in the process being delayed.  Is there an air rights issue that has to be dealt with and could that potentially take forever?

Absolutely. Because the railroads, unlike any other mode of transportation, own their rights of way, they tend to live in their own insular world. They operate on their own time frame and with their own priorities. Just because a community needs a bridge or a crossing addressed by a certain time doesn't mean that the railroad shares that timetable. There are likely dozens if not hundreds of external requests from local, state or federal governments as well by private entities (ie: utilities) to cross their rights of way for various projects and they are often addressed in the order in which they are received. So if there is a two-year backlog of external requests for crossing or otherwise accessing Norfolk Southern Corp. and CSX Transportation Inc. rights of way anywhere in their 20,000+ route-mile systems, the chances of this walkway seeing construction before mid-2016 is nil.

Oh, and the fact there are two large railroad companies involved means coordinating both. Sounds like fun. Having a Congressperson or a Senator at the ready to reach to the highest levels of each railroad executive offices might be a good idea.

I'm sure there is still a lot to work out--especially for construction staging-- but based on a 1987 conveyance, I believe the City of Cleveland already owns the air rights higher than 23 feet above the freight tracks.
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Re: Cleveland: Lakefront Development News
« Reply #1473 on: July 22, 2014, 12:25:22 PM »
I'm sure there is still a lot to work out--especially for construction staging-- but based on a 1987 conveyance, I believe the City of Cleveland already owns the air rights higher than 23 feet above the freight tracks.

You're right about the 1987 conveyance from Conrail to the city. The question is, when Conrail assets were split among CSX and NS in 1999, did the conveyance go to both? Probably, but that's worth verifying. Does the city have an air rights conveyance with GCRTA since the Waterfront Line was built nine years after the railroad conveyance was reached? BTW the property GCRTA acquired was not former railroad property.

The construction scheduling is key, because CSX, NS and GCRTA all need to assign their own flaggers to stand trackside with two-way radios for their respective transportation company frequencies and coordination with dispatchers at their traffic control centers. For GCRTA, it's in downtown Cleveland. For NS, it's in Dearborn, Michigan. For CSX, it's in Jacksonville, Florida. And there are only so many flaggers to go around. Construction schedules for each are set many months in advance.
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