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« Reply #105 on: April 13, 2015, 06:27:53 PM »
I heard that the vibrations from the drilling in Public Square may have actually had something do with this, but that's just speculation. It seems a little far from Public Square to be serious affected by the construction there.

If that's the case, imagine what would have happened to the Columbia building if it wasn't torn down...

The angle makes Cleveland downtown look like NYC.

One of the reasons this is my favorite street downtown!

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« Reply #106 on: April 13, 2015, 06:39:55 PM »
What pisses me off even more is that this building is legitimately a couple months away from getting renovated into new apartments.  But that surely won't be mentioned.  Tonight, across America, people will be told that "a building fell apart in Downtown Cleveland!!"...and the obligatory jokes will ensue.
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« Reply #107 on: April 13, 2015, 07:17:06 PM »
This is hardly an only-in-Cleveland thing.  I can think of similar or worse stories from Chicago, Philly, etc.  Didn't a building in Manhattan just explode recently?

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« Reply #108 on: April 13, 2015, 07:36:44 PM »
Seriously. A parapet wall suffering collapse is actually fairly common. It's essentially superficial. New York can't even begin to joke when in the last couple years they've had several building explode and fully collapse leaving people dead/seriously injured.
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« Reply #109 on: April 13, 2015, 10:20:34 PM »
Seriously. A parapet wall suffering collapse is actually fairly common. It's essentially superficial. New York can't even begin to joke when in the last couple years they've had several building explode and fully collapse leaving people dead/seriously injured.

Collapse of the facade at Shore Restaurant in Lakewood last year.

The owners are trying to reassemble the pieces in order to get a recreation done.

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« Reply #110 on: April 13, 2015, 10:35:02 PM »
Crazy. We are so lucky. That would've killed ppl. U never know

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« Reply #111 on: April 13, 2015, 11:12:37 PM »
Seriously. A parapet wall suffering collapse is actually fairly common. It's essentially superficial. New York can't even begin to joke when in the last couple years they've had several building explode and fully collapse leaving people dead/seriously injured.
lExactly. They are more subject to freeze/thaw cycles because they endure them from both sides of the wall. And then there's the wind which was strong today. It's not a collapse, which suggests a structural failure. This is the failure of a decorative element and likely will only slow the project with inspections, a legal settlement to the owner of the wrecked car, and possible reinforcements to the remaining parapets.

I also suspect other parapets in old buildings will face scrutiny as well. But this is one of the oldest 10+ story buildings downtown.
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« Reply #112 on: April 14, 2015, 09:34:48 AM »
Seriously. A parapet wall suffering collapse is actually fairly common. It's essentially superficial. New York can't even begin to joke when in the last couple years they've had several building explode and fully collapse leaving people dead/seriously injured.
It's not a collapse,


Exactly.  When I heard that phrase used on the news I thought how ridiculous.  The media sensationalizing their news cast.  The building did not partially collapse as they mentioned. 
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« Reply #113 on: April 14, 2015, 12:07:28 PM »
Exactly.  When I heard that phrase used on the news I thought how ridiculous.  The media sensationalizing their news cast.  The building did not partially collapse as they mentioned.
The article title changed within a couple hours once they got more information. It's a shame it has to go from most sensationalized to least as information comes available (instead of the other way around), but it's the way it is. The article title is now:

Bricks fall from top of building in downtown Cleveland; no injuries reported (photos, video)

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« Reply #114 on: April 14, 2015, 12:22:47 PM »
From what I recall from a presentation on restoration work of parapets on the Terminal Tower, it is fairly common for water to sepe into cracks and cause problems due to freeze-thaw cycle. Forest City had deffered maintenance on the tower for years and only took measures to replace it in mid-2000s when falling debris actually posed a danger to buildings and pedestrians below.

There is a building in Playhouse Square with a URS sign on it that has netting installed at the location of the parapets. So perhaps, that would be the short-term solution untill the restoration work could occur? And WTAM sensationalized it too this morning saying that the building collapsed when, as stated above, the parapet is merely a decorative element.

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« Reply #115 on: April 14, 2015, 12:29:15 PM »
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« Reply #116 on: April 14, 2015, 06:11:33 PM »
What is the building across from the Garfield and sandwiched between the Leader and 515 garage?

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« Reply #117 on: April 14, 2015, 06:14:15 PM »
What is the building across from the Garfield and sandwiched between the Leader and 515 garage?

The Baker Building.
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« Reply #118 on: April 29, 2015, 10:06:46 AM »
Progress.....

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2015/crr05-11-2015.pdf

Board of Zoning Appeals
MAY 11, 2015
9:30

Calendar No. 15-69: 1965 East 6th Street Ward 3
Joe Cimperman
13 Notices
Corning Place Ohio LLC. owner, proposes to change use of a twelve story building to 123 apartment
units and retail space in an E6 General Retail Business District and the Central Business District. The
owner appeals for relief from the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances:
1. Section 355.04 which states that the maximum gross floor area of a building for residential use
is 20,876 square feet and the proposed square footage is 125,253.
2. Section 357.08 which states that the required rear yard is 74 feet and none are proposed.
(filed April 7, 2015)
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« Reply #119 on: April 29, 2015, 10:30:35 AM »
I still hate the new name.

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« Reply #120 on: July 22, 2015, 10:43:44 PM »
Started to notice some dumpsters behind the building on Vincent the past 2 weeks.  Workers have been in and out of the freight entrance removing what appears to be drywall and other interior materials.  The lights on the first floor have randomly been on a few nights as well.
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