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Re: Cleveland: Playhouse Square Developments
« Reply #1400 on: April 05, 2015, 06:26:38 PM »

And as for the rail transit convenience of TC and its theaters, I've all but given up on this town and it's planners to think or act intelligently toward rail transit.  Planners here are too quick to genuflect to the almighty automobile.  To them, transit is for the poor and minorities; it's a stubborn and pernicious mentality that even infects the transit agency itself. 
It's easy to see how a modern, frills attached movie complex would integrate with PS. It's a good fit. Yet I don't want to give up on Tower City just yet. Having the CIFF there every year has been by and large a really great experience.

I don't think anyone believes downtown could support two complexes.

Perhaps if it was food/drinking centric?   Like one of those new chains popping up that serve food and booze in your seats?

Was thinking of a place like this:   http://www.flixbrewhouse.com
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Re: Cleveland: Playhouse Square Developments
« Reply #1401 on: April 05, 2015, 06:39:46 PM »
I just don't see arts movies pulling in the dollars that would offset the likely high cost of a theater complex, within a significant mixed-use development. Instead, I think it needs to offer something more unique for Greater Cleveland -- IMAX, including with laser technology and the ability to upgrade technology in the future. There is only one commercial IMAX movie theater in Greater Cleveland -- Regal at Crocker Park. The IMAX theater at the Great Lakes Science Center is for educational movies. Downtown always had the biggest and best of things, so make this theater the biggest and best commercial IMAX theater not only in Greater Cleveland or in Ohio, but in the country. And put it on Euclid Avenue on the ground floor of an entertainment complex with places to enjoy drinks, dancing, live music, late-night snacks and meals, etc after seeing a movie or visiting one of the other theaters on Playhouse Square. Too many people head straight for their cars and the suburbs after a show. Keep 'em downtown spending money!

I love it. I think I've been pretty consistent saying that I believe nothing should be offered in the suburbs that you can't get in the city, for one. Second, I LOVE the idea of making it the biggest and best IMAX theater in Ohio. I think that would be great for us and could also lead to more premieres here, especially films that are filmed here. I think TC can compete if they focus more on the artsy aspect of their theater, like a downtown Capitol Theatre. I don't think TC serves that modern movie market. (I have some experience with this, as through my work I once tried to get an independent movie premiered in Cleveland. I deliberately targeted the theaters in the city but our partners at the time said that none of the theaters in the city would work because their film delivery system was antiquated. They said we would have to go to Cinemark. They were very difficult to negotiate with so the market ended up losing out altogether on this movie so I know for a fact that we have lost film premieres in the city because of the theaters in the city.)

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Re: Cleveland: Playhouse Square Developments
« Reply #1402 on: April 11, 2015, 09:00:57 AM »
What will the future of this building be, what with all the RFPs and talk of development in this untapped section of downtown? Greyhound station, Chester Avenue. Built 1948. At its peak in the 1960s, 200 buses a day stopped here. Today, it's down to about 30 daily. Buses were the "gateway drug" for people transitioning from trains to cars....















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Re: Cleveland: Playhouse Square Developments
« Reply #1403 on: April 11, 2015, 11:25:43 AM »
Please tell me why we are so desperate to

1) Turn Cleveland's awesomely cool vintage bus station into something that isn't a cool vintage bus station
2) Probably do everything we can to make it still look like a cool vintage bus station.
3) Create a memorial to now extinct cool vintage bus stations - while we actively chase the buses to a different part of town.

Does many other US cities still operate one of these old stations?  What would be so awful about developing around the dang thing as it stands instead of re purposing it?
The only argument I can make for moving the Greyhound Station would be to place it inside Tower City so it can be situated at the nexus of Cleveland's transit system.
WTF with a lakefront multi-modal center.  Put the danged transit where the people and activity are.  Are people riding Greyhound to go fishing off the E 9th Street Pier?

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Re: Cleveland: Playhouse Square Developments
« Reply #1404 on: April 11, 2015, 12:31:09 PM »
I'm at the Greyhound station twice a month. Folks, it isn't that grand or vintage or cool.
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Re: Cleveland: Playhouse Square Developments
« Reply #1405 on: April 11, 2015, 03:58:45 PM »
Please tell me why we are so desperate to

1) Turn Cleveland's awesomely cool vintage bus station into something that isn't a cool vintage bus station
2) Probably do everything we can to make it still look like a cool vintage bus station.
3) Create a memorial to now extinct cool vintage bus stations - while we actively chase the buses to a different part of town.

Does many other US cities still operate one of these old stations?  What would be so awful about developing around the dang thing as it stands instead of re purposing it?
The only argument I can make for moving the Greyhound Station would be to place it inside Tower City so it can be situated at the nexus of Cleveland's transit system.
WTF with a lakefront multi-modal center.  Put the danged transit where the people and activity are.  Are people riding Greyhound to go fishing off the E 9th Street Pier?



You clearly have not been to this bus station.

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Re: Cleveland: Playhouse Square Developments
« Reply #1406 on: April 11, 2015, 04:41:36 PM »
Well that's just plan wrong (and presumptuous.)
I've greeted several friends who arrived here on their first visit to Cleveland.  So what have you got against the place?
The photo images directly above are quite accurate. 

Are you expecting an Ann Taylor Loft to open up inside there once the people you perceive as hobos are sent packing?
I'm trying to get my head around the negativity that surrounds bus passengers.

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Re: Cleveland: Playhouse Square Developments
« Reply #1407 on: April 11, 2015, 05:38:31 PM »
Redevelopment of the station with a different user could spur spin off developments around the block and to the north. 

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Re: Cleveland: Playhouse Square Developments
« Reply #1408 on: April 12, 2015, 02:58:45 AM »
The Greyhound station may not be "grand" but it's at least unique for the region. Are there any other examples of streamline moderne architecture in the greater Cleveland area? I can't think of any.

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Re: Cleveland: Playhouse Square Developments
« Reply #1409 on: April 12, 2015, 12:08:39 PM »
Please tell me why we are so desperate to

1) Turn Cleveland's awesomely cool vintage bus station into something that isn't a cool vintage bus station
2) Probably do everything we can to make it still look like a cool vintage bus station.
3) Create a memorial to now extinct cool vintage bus stations - while we actively chase the buses to a different part of town.

Does many other US cities still operate one of these old stations?  What would be so awful about developing around the dang thing as it stands instead of re purposing it?
The only argument I can make for moving the Greyhound Station would be to place it inside Tower City so it can be situated at the nexus of Cleveland's transit system.
WTF with a lakefront multi-modal center.  Put the danged transit where the people and activity are.  Are people riding Greyhound to go fishing off the E 9th Street Pier?



Arrasmith designed 50 Greyhound terminals. Only 11 are still standing. Of those 11, only 3 are still used by buses. The Cleveland terminal is by far the largest to remain let alone to still be in use. It's worth noting that when the Cleveland terminal was built, it was considered the grandest bus terminal in the world. It's no Grand Central, but it's still in very good condition today. Greyhound could've gutted the place years ago but didn't. Instead they kept virtually all the Arrasmith touches in tact including the terrazzo floor design. It's a significant building and in terms of bus transportation, it's a very historical place. More historic than most people realize.

If I had to guess as to why there's not more talk about this building's future, I would say it's because people don't have an affinity for buses and bus terminals. People see them as dingy and dirty places that attract degenerates. If this were one of the last still in use Amtrak stations of a certain design era, I think people would be much more concerned about its future. Currently, it seems like most people could care less what happens to the vintage interior style of this terminal. I get why people want Greyhound moved but people need to realize how historic this place is and how important it is in relation to bus transit in this country. Anyone who takes over this building needs to respect its history.  A full gutting of it would be destroying an important part of our history that can't ever be replicated.

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Re: Cleveland: Playhouse Square Developments
« Reply #1410 on: April 12, 2015, 01:50:20 PM »
Well said. Part of the reason why I took those pictures and shared them here is to show the bus terminal's design and that it is kept in good condition. It is not a place to fear, dismiss or demolish.
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Re: Cleveland: Playhouse Square Developments
« Reply #1411 on: April 25, 2015, 02:07:01 PM »
A draw like that should be on Euclid not on Chester.

Placing it on Chester kills any hope for this not being so auto centric.

This is the perfect catalyst for growth on Chester!  Not everything can be nor should be on Euclid.
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Re: Cleveland: Playhouse Square Developments
« Reply #1412 on: April 25, 2015, 02:09:42 PM »
Playhouse Square is interested in getting a large movie theater complex built, with an residential/office/ and or retail component, likely on the site of the current Greyhound Station and its surrounding parking lots.

From Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/31c1hy/playhouse_square_is_interested_in_getting_a_large/


Huh.  I guess that would be great for Playhouse Square, but it would undoubtedly kill off Tower City Cinemas, which have a fantastic indoor transit connection and are probably the biggest driver of traffic to the mall.
I doubt that. Just as we have more than one "entertainment" area in downtown, I believe we can support more than one more movie complex.  Is there a specific reason why you believe more theaters would "kill off" TCCs?
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Re: Cleveland: Playhouse Square Developments
« Reply #1413 on: April 25, 2015, 02:20:33 PM »
I'm at the Greyhound station twice a month. Folks, it isn't that grand or vintage or cool.

I completely disagree!  That building is architecturally amazing!

As with the Washington DC Greyhound station [Google street view New York Ave. between 11 & 12 sts.], it was abandoned, all services were moved to Union station and the existing Greyhound station was incorporated into a new building.

I would hope something can be done with the building that includes, retail, entertainment, offices & hotel.
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Re: Cleveland: Playhouse Square Developments
« Reply #1414 on: May 01, 2015, 09:15:18 PM »
Let's hear it for a non-food retail opening!

Play, a Color Nation Salon, to open shop in Playhouse Square.
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Re: Cleveland: Playhouse Square Developments
« Reply #1415 on: May 01, 2015, 09:47:14 PM »
Is the sidewalk closed to pedestrian traffic?
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Re: Cleveland: Playhouse Square Developments
« Reply #1416 on: May 01, 2015, 10:35:53 PM »
Is the sidewalk closed to pedestrian traffic?

Not that I've seen
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Re: Cleveland: Playhouse Square Developments
« Reply #1417 on: May 04, 2015, 06:54:41 AM »
We have threads for speculative retail discussion - please use them.


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