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Re: Cleveland: Duck Island Developments
« Reply #70 on: April 05, 2014, 12:45:07 AM »
Rich in what manner?

I am looking for a house in the area. I love these, but are too expensive for me.

Have they even released a price?
People in Ohio seem to be phased by the idea that good design has to cost a lot.

I'd say $365K-$370K is fairly up there for most Ohio folk...I believe this is the new build being discussed:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2140-W-17th-St-Cleveland-OH-44113/2108120470_zpid/
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Re: Cleveland: Duck Island Developments
« Reply #71 on: April 05, 2014, 06:09:12 AM »
I'd say $365K-$370K is fairly up there for most Ohio folk...I believe this is the new build being discussed:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2140-W-17th-St-Cleveland-OH-44113/2108120470_zpid/

Yep, that's it! Good find.
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« Reply #72 on: April 08, 2014, 09:09:14 PM »
I'd say $365K-$370K is fairly up there for most Ohio folk...I believe this is the new build being discussed:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2140-W-17th-St-Cleveland-OH-44113/2108120470_zpid/

Yep, that's it! Good find.

Yes, and no. I couldn't afford it right now, but I don't think it's that out of the realm for some. Hopefully this will bring some suburbanites back in.

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« Reply #73 on: April 08, 2014, 09:52:24 PM »
I believe that price-point is definately there for the dual income no kid (dink) demographic.  That being said, I think it would have been an easier sale on them 10 years ago when the thought or need of selling something in the future due to career change or lifes moments didn't even factor into the "cons".  I think today, younger folks are much more conservative in their home purchase then they were 10 years ago esentially due to the crisis we just went through, hence the robust rental markets.  A few units here and there, sure, but a condo development in the city of large proportions, I would be hesitant to put on the market...right now at least. 

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« Reply #74 on: May 03, 2014, 09:19:14 AM »
Three new plans designed to update specific neighborhoods on the East and West sides of Cleveland aren’t about to become reality overnight.

But by winning unanimous approval on Friday from the city’s planning commission, all three visions gained an important measure of validation and took a step toward realization.

http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2014/05/three_new_neighborhood_plans_a.html#incart_river_default

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Re: Cleveland: Duck Island Developments
« Reply #75 on: May 06, 2014, 09:34:52 PM »
This is for another development listed below for five townhouses, which is across Lorain Avenue from Abode's development and perched above Scranton Road! Duck Island is HOT!

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02212014/index.php

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LOT SPLITS/CONSOLIDATIONS
1. Lot Split for PPNs 004-02-091, 004-02-092, and 004-02-093 to support the proposed West 17th Townhouses development, at West 17th and Bradford Avenue
 Project Representative: Wesleigh Harper, MAKER



This following is a variance request for the above townhouses (on Pg 2-3). Why were these listed for sale before a variance is granted, and before a block club meeting was held to review the plans?

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2014/crr05-19-2014.pdf
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« Reply #76 on: May 06, 2014, 11:08:26 PM »
Gotta get those things marketed...
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« Reply #77 on: July 13, 2014, 12:18:36 AM »
Five new townhouses coming......

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2014/crr07-28-2014.pdf

Board of Zoning Appeals
July 28, 2014
9:30

Calendar No. 14-110: 2097 West 19 Street Ward 3 Joe Cimperman
Calendar No. 14-109: 2089 West 19th Street

DI Development, LLC, owner, proposes to erect a 42’-8” x 18’-8” 2 story frame single family residence and
a 20’ x 20’ 1 story detached garage on a 25’ x 100 parcel located in a B1 Multi-Family Residential District.
The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified
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Calendar No. 14-111: 1970 Columbus Road Joe Cimperman
Calendar No. 14-112: 1974 Columbus Road
Calendar No. 14-113: 1978 Columbus Road

Kamis Properties, owner, proposes to erect a four story, 2,450 square foot single family house on a 2,394 square
foot lot in a C3 Semi-Industry District. The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of the following
sections of the Zoning Code:

http://www.trulia.com/property/3142475234-1970-Columbus-Rd-Cleveland-OH-44113

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Re: Cleveland: Duck Island Developments
« Reply #78 on: July 13, 2014, 12:59:40 AM »
duck island poised for redevelopment with completion of draft neighborhood plan

Duck Island, a pocket neighborhood between Ohio City and Tremont that has long been inexplicably walled off from the revitalization that surrounds it, might be poised to see a surge of development -- on its own terms -- if a new plan has anything to say about it.

Tremont West Development Corporation, with support from Cleveland Neighborhood Progress, hired the KSU Cleveland Urban Design Collaborative to conduct a community planning charrette last month. A draft plan is now complete. It will be presented at a community meeting in Tremont this month, and once finalized approval will be sought from the Cleveland Planning Commission.

http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/devnews/duckisland011714.aspx

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DUCK ISLAND NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN
http://www.bergesllc.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/draft_duckisland_12-23-13-1.pdf
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Re: Cleveland: Duck Island Developments
« Reply #79 on: July 13, 2014, 10:36:01 AM »
Five new townhouses coming......

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2014/crr07-28-2014.pdf

There's something terrible about a window-less blank wall on a residence.

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« Reply #80 on: July 13, 2014, 12:09:48 PM »

There's something terrible about a window-less blank wall on a residence.

Unless they hope to build more units next to these three.
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« Reply #81 on: July 25, 2014, 05:59:08 PM »
Columbus Road is a path for growth

Area is home to residential development

By STAN BULLARD
Originally Published: June 22, 2014 4:30 AM  Modified: June 23, 2014 11:54 AM

Sam McNulty plans to build a townhouse for himself as part of a residential development he's working on at Columbus Road and Abbey Avenue. He bought the long-empty, gravel-covered site earlier this year because it's less than a five-minute walk from the office next to the West Side Market where McNulty and his partners run five nearby beer-centric businesses.

Brian and Muriel Storrie have bought a three-story townhouse that is under construction on the slope of Columbus west of the bridge. For now, it will be a getaway location from their home in Little Rock, Ark. Later it will be a full-time home after Brian Storrie eases into retirement from college teaching.

Such disparate motivations are starting to help rejuvenate Columbus Road, which has played a central role in Cleveland historically but has been bypassed by more recent redevelopment action nearby in the Flats and adjoining city neighborhoods and downtown.

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140622/SUB1/306229973/columbus-road-is-a-path-for-growth

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« Reply #82 on: July 25, 2014, 07:32:32 PM »
Great news. That entire area will soon get some serious investments in sidewalk/street infrastructure soon, no doubt.

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« Reply #83 on: July 25, 2014, 10:15:17 PM »
The Ohio Burial Case Co. building at 1720 Columbus is a great building. I hope Brian Fabo, through Fabco Flats LLC, can do good things with that building.

And Cleveland Centre was intended to be a European-based town center. It was laid out in the early 19th century with a starburst of streets from a central focal point that became a common market place. Remember that streets back then were places for people, not vehicles, so vendors, merchants, commodity brokers and mercantilists all gathered at confluence of streets to buy and sell things as they came in from the hinterlands of America on Ohio Canal packets before being placed on ships for Great Lakes port cities -- the most prominent of which was Lockport, NY where goods would be sent east on the Erie Canal. Cleveland Centre is where this trade happened until the canal business outgrew this area and began moving up the hill into what is now the Warehouse District -- which some claim is Cleveland's first central business district. Not true. Cleveland Centre was Cleveland's first central business district back when water transportation had little competition -- including for the mass transportation of of goods across the land!
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Re: Cleveland: Duck Island Developments
« Reply #84 on: July 30, 2014, 02:05:01 PM »
http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/08012014/index.php

City Planning Commission
Agenda for August 1, 2014

3. DF2013-061 - Ohio City Abode Mixed-Use Development - Residential Demolitions and Conceptual Site Plan Approval
 Project Location: West 19th and Lorain Avenue
 Project Representatives: Andrew Brickman, Abode Modern Lifestyles Developers
                                     Brenda Rodriguez, Brickhaus Partners
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« Reply #85 on: August 04, 2014, 03:48:18 PM »
Here's a new-build coming down the pike.

Found on the BZA agenda for August 18 2014: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2014/crr08-18-2014.pdf

Calendar No. 14-133: 2267 West 20th Street Ward 3
Joe Cimperman
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Richard Vanpetten and Dale H. Smith, owners, propose to erect a 28’ x 76’ 2 story frame and single family
residence on a parcel that is 66.70’ x 120’ in a B1 Multi-Family Residential District. The owners appeal from the
strict application of Section 357.09 (2) (C) of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances which requires an interior side
yard of 8 feet and 5 feet are proposed (filed July 15, 2014).
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Re: Cleveland: Duck Island Developments
« Reply #86 on: August 05, 2014, 12:01:41 PM »
Lots of infill potential in that neighborhood.

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« Reply #87 on: August 05, 2014, 02:22:11 PM »
Potential?  It's quickly becoming a reality.  Lots were being purchased here for $5,000 no more than 3 years ago.  No deals like that to be had here anymore...
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« Reply #88 on: August 20, 2014, 10:04:02 AM »
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Skeleton of what zoning for new @ohiocitytweets @TremontWest looks like 210 new units


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« Reply #89 on: August 20, 2014, 10:23:12 AM »
That's for the Brickman development. It's no longer an Adobe project due to a falling out with a project partner.

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« Reply #90 on: August 20, 2014, 10:33:22 AM »
That's for the Brickman development. It's no longer an Adobe project due to a falling out with a project partner.

So Brickman is doing this on his own - not under the Abode name?

Solved my own question: It will be developed under the Brickhaus Partners name.

Rendering and marketing material here:
http://www.brickhauspartners.com/ohio-city/index.html
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Re: Cleveland: Duck Island Developments
« Reply #91 on: August 20, 2014, 12:14:32 PM »
That's for the Brickman development. It's no longer an Adobe project due to a falling out with a project partner.

So Brickman is doing this on his own - not under the Abode name?

Solved my own question: It will be developed under the Brickhaus Partners name.

Rendering and marketing material here:
http://www.brickhauspartners.com/ohio-city/index.html
Anyone else notice the "two drive thrus" available? Maybe I'm crazy...but that's not typically my first thought when someone says world class in the next paragraph.

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« Reply #92 on: August 20, 2014, 12:30:15 PM »
Anyone else notice the "two drive thrus" available? Maybe I'm crazy...but that's not typically my first thought when someone says world class in the next paragraph.

It's a drive-through under the building so a bank can locate there and offer a drive-through so that it doesn't disrupt the streetwall. Sounds like an attempt to mix suburbia with "urbia" -- we'll see how it goes. This is a close-up of the conceptual site plan from Page 1.....

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« Reply #93 on: August 20, 2014, 12:50:29 PM »
Based on the location of the development, I'm not sure how "jazzed" I am about a retail component.  The development isn't exactly pedestrian friendly being that it is located on what I always call the on-ramp to the Hope Memorial Bridge.  I would rather see all residential versus any retail here. 

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« Reply #94 on: August 20, 2014, 10:49:16 PM »
Cleveland City Council approves 200-apartment development near Ohio City, OK's towing fee hike, and more

Council unanimously voted to:

1. Rezone land for a planned residential development near the Ohio City / Tremont border

The rezoning will make way for a 200-apartment plus residential development near the Ohio City and Tremont neighborhood border.

The 4-acre development, west of the Carnegie (Hope Memorial) bridge, will overlook the Cuyahoga River and downtown Cleveland. The Cleveland Planning Commission gave the development a preliminary nod last February.

Developer Andrew Brickman said he expects the site, which will also include commercial space, will eventually be valued at between $30 million and $40 million.

"We see this project as a key point in the city's renaissance," he said.

http://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/index.ssf/2014/08/cleveland_city_council_approve_6.html#incart_river

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Re: Cleveland: Duck Island Developments
« Reply #95 on: September 03, 2014, 12:01:48 PM »
New conceptual site plan and graphics.....

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/09052014/index.php

City Planning Commission
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DOWNTOWN/FLATS DESIGN REVIEW
1.   DF2013-061 - Ohio City/Brickhaus Partners [formerly Abode] Demolition and Mixed-Use Development
Project Location: West 19th Street and Lorain Avenue
Project Representative: Andrew Brickman, Brickhaus Partners





More graphics including streetviews are available at the above link.

Also note there's some zoning housekeeping stuff being considered for this same area.....

ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS
3.   Ordinance No. xxx-14(Ward 3/Councilmember Cimperman): Establishing new mapped setbacks on parcels located on the west side of West 18th Street between Smith Court and the Lorain Carnegie Bridge.
Presenter: Daniel DeAngelo, City of Cleveland
4.   Ordinance No. xxx-14(Ward 3/Councilmember Cimperman): Establishing new mapped setbacks on parcels located on the east side of West 19th Street between Smith Court and the Lorain Carnegie bridge.
Presenter: Daniel DeAngelo, City of Cleveland
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« Reply #96 on: September 03, 2014, 12:15:40 PM »
^ So it looks like the site plan changed considerably from the earlier concepts.  I can't read the text but is that a 6 story apartment building fronting Lorain built above parking?  If so, that's a huge improvement from the 3 story building with drive through lanes and the massive surface lot.  This change may be driven by some residential hold-out properties that have appeared in this new site plan but were absent from the original.
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« Reply #97 on: September 03, 2014, 02:19:32 PM »
^ So it looks like the site plan changed considerably from the earlier concepts.  I can't read the text but is that a 6 story apartment building fronting Lorain built above parking?  If so, that's a huge improvement from the 3 story building with drive through lanes and the massive surface lot.  This change may be driven by some residential hold-out properties that have appeared in this new site plan but were absent from the original.

It's changed a lot. And yes, that's a 6-story apartment building above parking with leasable commercial spaces fronting Lorain. Very nice! Proposed to be demolished are the structures shown in the pictures at:  http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/09052014/index.php

However these are proposed to remain:

This brick structure (R.C. Hauk & Son Inc.) and the two houses beyond it on the east side of West 20th would remain:


Close-up of the two houses north of Hauk & Son's brick building, in the 1900 block of West 20th, east side of street:


1900 block of West 20th, west side of street. This brick double would remain, as would the house behind the vine-covered wall at right (no streetview is available as it is on a long driveway off Moore Court):


These two houses in the 1900 block of West 19th (west side of street) would remain, as would the garage at right:
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« Reply #98 on: September 04, 2014, 12:13:28 PM »
I feel like I should know this by now but.....

Abode was granted approval of the conceptual site plan by the Downtown/Flats Design Review on December 6th, 2013 (http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/09052014/index.php)

And now Brickhaus (formerly Abode) is seeking a Zoning Map Amendment and another site/development approval by the Downtown/Flats Design Review tomorrow (September, 5th, 2014) http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/09052014/index.php

....so, if everything is voted in the affirmative tomorrow, does Brickhaus have any other administrative hurdles (excluding routine stuff like permitting, etc.) before it is free and clear to build?
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« Reply #99 on: September 04, 2014, 01:05:38 PM »
It may already be in hand, but doesn't a zoning change also need planning commission approval?
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« Reply #100 on: September 05, 2014, 11:48:14 AM »
It may already be in hand, but doesn't a zoning change also need planning commission approval?

I seem to recall zoning changes for Brickhaus come before CPC for this project earlier this summer.
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« Reply #101 on: September 05, 2014, 11:50:43 AM »
Was anyone at CPC this morning?
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« Reply #102 on: September 05, 2014, 12:42:05 PM »
^I like the changes, esp the larger (6 story, 200-room) apartment which will similarly (to the original proposal) front along Lorain... Also, the new "Brickhaus" name is kinda cool.

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« Reply #103 on: September 05, 2014, 12:46:55 PM »
The Ohio Burial Case Co. building at 1720 Columbus is a great building. I hope Brian Fabo, through Fabco Flats LLC, can do good things with that building.

And Cleveland Centre was intended to be a European-based town center. It was laid out in the early 19th century with a starburst of streets from a central focal point that became a common market place. Remember that streets back then were places for people, not vehicles, so vendors, merchants, commodity brokers and mercantilists all gathered at confluence of streets to buy and sell things as they came in from the hinterlands of America on Ohio Canal packets before being placed on ships for Great Lakes port cities -- the most prominent of which was Lockport, NY where goods would be sent east on the Erie Canal. Cleveland Centre is where this trade happened until the canal business outgrew this area and began moving up the hill into what is now the Warehouse District -- which some claim is Cleveland's first central business district. Not true. Cleveland Centre was Cleveland's first central business district back when water transportation had little competition -- including for the mass transportation of of goods across the land!

Yet another history lesson from KJP!... Man, you've gotta pull that book together capitalizing on your wealth of CLE history knowledge.

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« Reply #104 on: September 05, 2014, 04:37:17 PM »
^I like the changes, esp the larger (6 story, 200-room) apartment which will similarly (to the original proposal) front along Lorain... Also, the new "Brickhaus" name is kinda cool.

Brickhaus was forced by the dissolution of the Abode partnership due to a falling out between the project partners.

Yet another history lesson from KJP!... Man, you've gotta pull that book together capitalizing on your wealth of CLE history knowledge.

Thanks. I guess I have a hard time recognizing what people know history-wise, and what they don't know. I don't want to waste my time writing about things that people already know about. But I would like to write about how my 5x great grandfather (the first Prendergast from my family in America) was sentenced to death for treason for leading the first armed battle by colonists against the British, 10 years before the Declaration of Independence. How he survived and the fact he was a loyalist only made the story more intriguing.

To bring this back around to Cleveland history, the greatest injustice to local history is that we don't have a statue to Alfred Kelly in this city. General Moses Cleaveland planned this city but he never even lived here. Alfred Kelly is the reason why Cleveland became a major city. I'd put his statue at Canal Basin Park. I hope the reasons are obvious.
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