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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1610 on: January 02, 2013, 10:57:12 AM »
How many historic buildings in Detroit have been razed by Gilbert companies?

Actually, he's one of the biggest property owners in Detroit and has saved a considerable number of buildings from demolition. Historic properties, at that. It's very well documented.

More photos of the demolition: http://photos.cleveland.com/plain-dealer/2012/12/demolition_starts_at_the_stanl_1.html

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« Reply #1611 on: January 04, 2013, 10:43:59 PM »
One of the things that struck me most about the former Stanley block was how thick and strong the exterior brick walls were... As I watched this amazing block being destroyed, it seemed that the walls were very similar to ancient ruins I've seen in European cities...Decide for your self after looking at these photos...

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1612 on: January 05, 2013, 04:30:04 AM »
Just kills me
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1613 on: January 05, 2013, 05:55:34 AM »
Is this for casino parking?
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« Reply #1614 on: January 05, 2013, 11:35:05 AM »
Sometimes I really hate this country. Who do we think we are to declare that a pre-fab, erector-set parking garage is more important than a building that pre-dates many nations?

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« Reply #1615 on: January 06, 2013, 01:32:07 PM »
Is this for casino parking?

Sort of, but it's a lot more complicated.  The building was neglected for decades, and in recent years any decisions about redevelopment or normal demo were paralyzed by a dispute between ownership groups (one of which was controlled by the casino).  It's actually the city demoing the property now because of its condition (ostensibly), bot the owners.

I know this seemed like a minor building to a lot of folks, but it was actually a pretty significant specimen of stone-fronted 19th century commercial architecture for Cleveland.  Much more refined, IMHO, than the brick Victorian stuff that survives.  I'm extremely bummed to see it come down.
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1616 on: January 06, 2013, 07:39:30 PM »
If Cleveland did not learn the lesson that it should not tear down buildings for parking from its decades of decline, and rebirths of threatened areas like Playhouse Square, did the city learn anything?
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1617 on: January 06, 2013, 09:05:05 PM »
(re: Stanley Block) Ok, one more comment and then I'm letting this one go.  I had to stop by one more time early this Sunday morning.  The crushed building has been scooped away, exposing the basement, which to me, is always one of the most interesting parts of an old house/building.  The sight reminded me so much of some old photos I'd seen of when the old Forest City house was demo'd for the Cleveland Union Terminal project.  I presume they'll leave the old sandstone and brick basement walls in place and just fill in the basement with fill dirt.  That will make for an interesting archeological dig at some point in the future...

The smell of pine that is always so strong at Cleveland demo sites, was very strong this morning - there was still some leftover timbers crushed in the wet snow.  I grabbed some pictures.  Then I made sure the cops on the corner were not watching me and I jumped the barricades and grabbed an in tact brick to add to my collection of bricks from recently demo's Cleveland landmarks.  Of all the bricks I've collected, this one is the heaviest and most solid. RIP Stanley Block.

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1618 on: January 09, 2013, 04:30:12 PM »
Interesting back wall on the right side of the basement. Its imperfections (none of the blocks line up in any kind of order) compared to the rest of the foundation tells me this may have been part of an even older and smaller structure that occupied this site. I wonder if that was the case, and if so, what was that building?
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1619 on: February 14, 2013, 05:04:24 PM »
Very sad and disappointing

Historic Euclid Avenue church will be razed, after vote by Cleveland Landmarks Commission

Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer
on February 14, 2013 at 4:10 PM, updated February 14, 2013 at 4:55 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A historic church at the edge of the Cleveland Clinic's main campus will be razed, after a Thursday vote by the Cleveland Landmarks Commission paved the way for demolition.

The commission's decision ends a two-year quest by the Euclid Avenue Church of God to knock down its former home, which sits empty at 8601 Euclid Ave.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2013/02/historic_euclid_avenue_church.html#incart_river_default

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1620 on: February 14, 2013, 05:13:52 PM »
Does the city have any programs that help maintain or find new uses for landmark buildings?  I know there are federal and state tax credits, but what about the city?
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« Reply #1621 on: February 14, 2013, 06:06:18 PM »
It's almost always the same bullcrap story-   demolition by neglect because these organizations fail to maintain their property, and the city governments fail to enforce their own laws and allows them to reach this poiint of no return.  These groups magically always have enough money to flee to the burbs and obtain new digs!!  Isn't that amazing?  Proof they could have been maintaining existing infrastructure all along. 
The final nail in the coffin for these properties is their astronomically high listing prices for the unwanted real estate.  Of course we are going to end up with this "wipe the slate clean" mentality that begets a new, mediocre structure, if we are lucky to escape the land becoming a parking lot.

Pathetic observation about our throw-away society...  and another reason I can't  keep a straight face around "religious" people and their "time tested" beliefs.  They can't even keep their own church buildings from being demoed.  Why should I not think the same about their religious dogma?

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« Reply #1622 on: February 14, 2013, 07:19:34 PM »
It's almost always the same bullcrap story-   demolition by neglect because these organizations fail to maintain their property, and the city governments fail to enforce their own laws and allows them to reach this poiint of no return.  These groups magically always have enough money to flee to the burbs and obtain new digs!!  Isn't that amazing?  Proof they could have been maintaining existing infrastructure all along. 
The final nail in the coffin for these properties is their astronomically high listing prices for the unwanted real estate.  Of course we are going to end up with this "wipe the slate clean" mentality that begets a new, mediocre structure, if we are lucky to escape the land becoming a parking lot.

Pathetic observation about our throw-away society...  and another reason I can't  keep a straight face around "religious" people and their "time tested" beliefs.  They can't even keep their own church buildings from being demoed.  Why should I not think the same about their religious dogma?

Well said
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1623 on: February 14, 2013, 07:34:19 PM »
Seems like Thomas Coffey is the only one who deserves to be on the commission.

From the article...

"Thomas Coffey, an attorney and the sole Landmarks Commission member to vote against the demolition request, said the decision points to deeper, systemic problems with city ordinances meant to protect landmarks and force property owners to maintain their buildings. He views the Euclid Avenue Church of God as a case of demolition by neglect.

"If the city would start enforcing its own ordinance requiring owners to take care of their property, the entire city would benefit," he said in an interview, adding "Nobody could have convinced me that voting for that demolition was the right thing to do.""


And from an article months ago about the Columbia Building... Which he voted against...

"Commissioner Thomas Coffey questioned the developer's representatives at length about the history of the Columbia Building and whether they considered putting the parking operation in the May Company garage across Prospect. Coffey said the current proposal was the "cheap alternative."
"They have all the big guns out to support this," Coffey said. "This building does not have to come down.""

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1624 on: February 14, 2013, 07:36:41 PM »
I get that sinking feeling in my stomach every time I see this thread pop-up on the "new post" list. This news is why.

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1625 on: February 14, 2013, 07:58:40 PM »
The landmarks commission is a total joke. Their is always a convenient excuse to demolish history. Their is no learning from the past poor decisions.
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1626 on: February 15, 2013, 03:34:40 PM »
Very sad and disappointing

Historic Euclid Avenue church will be razed, after vote by Cleveland Landmarks Commission

Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer
on February 14, 2013 at 4:10 PM, updated February 14, 2013 at 4:55 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A historic church at the edge of the Cleveland Clinic's main campus will be razed, after a Thursday vote by the Cleveland Landmarks Commission paved the way for demolition.

The commission's decision ends a two-year quest by the Euclid Avenue Church of God to knock down its former home, which sits empty at 8601 Euclid Ave.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2013/02/historic_euclid_avenue_church.html#incart_river_default


Gee, if you check the Landmarks Commission page on the City Planning website, you'd never know that a meeting was even scheduled, let alone what was on their agenda. The agenda page hasn't been updated since before the Jan. 24 meeting....

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1627 on: February 15, 2013, 05:05:03 PM »
Anybody that thinks this city isn't still corrupt as shit, I've got this bridge to sell you. It's got this wonderful view overlooking some surface parking.

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« Reply #1628 on: February 15, 2013, 06:09:37 PM »
Bob Brown's legacy will be of how much was destroyed, rather than what was built.
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1629 on: February 15, 2013, 08:07:03 PM »
I wasn't suggesting that some under-handedness was happening. In fact, I'm aware that CPC is pretty overwhelmed with work right now and under-staffed. But dammit, I want the meeting agendas!!  :whip:
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« Reply #1630 on: February 18, 2013, 06:56:50 AM »
Meanwhile, the old Maple Heights High School's in the process of being torn down.   Only the gym (a separate building that's still one of NE Ohio's best facilities) and a couple other outbuildings will remain. 
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« Reply #1631 on: July 29, 2013, 11:15:59 AM »
Anyone know who Aeon Financial, LLC is? They seem to own a lot of condemned properties on the East Side....

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/bbs/agenda/2013/AGENDA07312013.pdf
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1633 on: July 30, 2013, 03:34:16 PM »
Anyone know who Aeon Financial, LLC is? They seem to own a lot of condemned properties on the East Side....

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/bbs/agenda/2013/AGENDA07312013.pdf

Tax lien investors.  The PD had a story a couple years back about tax lien foreclosures focusing on them: http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2011/10/surprise_in_survey_of_tax-lien_homes_is_that_there_are_few_surprises.html
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« Reply #1634 on: August 03, 2013, 10:13:48 PM »
Anyone know what happened at CPC regarding this proposed demolition?? It appears it will be demolished for parking adorned with some greenspace, ie: attempting to put lipstick on a pig.....

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2013/08022013/index.php

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EUCLID CORRIDOR DESIGN REVIEW

1. EC2013-017 International Operating Engineer's Building Proposed Demolition
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1635 on: August 03, 2013, 11:07:10 PM »
I saw that earlier. Made me mad.

Love to see that TOD on our new BRT line! Will they add this to their dollar figures for growth along the route? :P
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« Reply #1636 on: August 04, 2013, 10:03:38 AM »
The first time I read KJP's post, I didn't react much, but looking again at the site plan, this could be a big effing deal, and the aganda description may be horribly disingenuous: the proposed site plan also shows the demolition of the Stockbridge apartments, one of the few remaining apartment houses on Euclid (http://www.cleveland.com/arts/index.ssf/2011/04/the_stockbridge_in_cleveland_h.html).  I'm hoping this is just a mistake, that the dimwit engineer who drew up that pathetic site plan for $200 and a pat on the back just guessed the property boundary wrong.
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« Reply #1637 on: August 04, 2013, 11:07:12 AM »
^ I think that building has actually been/being renovated. My guess now is that they want to demolish those buildings for parking for residents.

Edit: That actually makes no sense. The building footprint will be used for greenspace, not any additional parking. This should be denied IMO(probably wont be). We cant keep cutting holes on an already fractured Euclid Avenue. Especially historic buildings.
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1638 on: August 07, 2013, 02:10:44 PM »
http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2013/08082013/index.php

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Little Italy Historic District
Club Corbo 12312 Mayfield Road
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Planned to replace it is "street plaza" but this is difficult to see......

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« Reply #1639 on: August 07, 2013, 02:23:04 PM »
If they're going to knock that building down, I hope they're going to repurpose all that brick.
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« Reply #1640 on: August 07, 2013, 03:04:43 PM »
^^I am also having difficulty seeing this.  How does a private property owner benefit from a "street plaza" (unless he owns surrounding property and even then?)

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« Reply #1641 on: August 07, 2013, 03:57:32 PM »
Actually, my difficulty was in actually being able to see the graphic presentation of the street plaza. :) But, yes, I don't understand how this makes financial sense, either.
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« Reply #1642 on: August 07, 2013, 04:48:06 PM »
It doesn't.  This likely paves the way (pun!) for future surface parking which, once the building is gone, all the local restaurateurs will clamor for. I hope it gets denied.
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« Reply #1643 on: August 07, 2013, 05:30:13 PM »

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« Reply #1644 on: September 11, 2013, 11:34:46 PM »
If it's on the East Side, it's going to get prematurely demolished due to neglect. Several hundred years from now, future Clevelanders are going to wonder why nothing built on the East Side before 1950 is still standing.....

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2013/09122013/index.php

CLEVELAND LANDMARKS COMMISSION
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Emmanuel Episcopal Church
Church of the Transfiguration
8614 Euclid Avenue
Demolition

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