Topic: Cleveland: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame News & Discussion

[MayDay]

[MuRrAy HiLL]

Bruce Springsteen, U2, Metallica, Eric Clapton, More Set for All-Star Rock Hall Celebration
7/22/09, 10:30 am EST


Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, U2, Paul Simon, Metallica, Eric Clapton, Aretha Franklin, Stevie Wonder, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Friends and Simon and Garfunkel are among the legendary artists confirmed for a landmark two-night concert event celebrating the 25th anniversary of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

Sprawling across October 29th and 30th at New York’s Madison Square Garden, the shows will feature Hall of Fame acts sharing the stage with guests and collaborators, honoring their influences and essentially retracing the history of rock in the process. For example, Crosby, Stills and Nash will share the stage with California-based artists while Metallica will lead a hard rock portion of the concerts. Stevie Wonder and Aretha Franklin will also each front a soul revue with Paul Shaffer and the CBS Orchestra.


More at http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/07/22/bruce-springsteen-u2-metallica-eric-clapton-more-set-for-all-star-rock-hall-celebration/

[punch]

I did not notice the word "Cleveland" in there.

I am upset, but I am not surprised.
All major halls of fame hold their large public events in New York.  Its not like people could be expected to go to Cooperstown, NY for baseball or Canton, OH for football, those communities could not handle it.  Oh, wait...

[cardsnxtyr]

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Annex in New York City set to close January 3
By John Soeder, The Plain Dealer
December 03, 2009, 9:15AM

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Annex in New York City will cease operations Sunday, Jan. 3, just over a year after its grand opening.
The closing was announced in a statement issued today by S2BN Entertainment, a partner in the venture. No reason was given for the shutdown.

More at cleveland.com:
http://www.cleveland.com/popmusic/index.ssf/2009/12/rock_and_roll_hall_of_fame_ann_1.html

[Oldmanladyluck]

^I can't say that I feel sorry for NYC...

[eastvillagedon]

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Annex in New York City set to close January 3
By John Soeder, The Plain Dealer
December 03, 2009, 9:15AM

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Annex in New York City will cease operations Sunday, Jan. 3, just over a year after its grand opening.
The closing was announced in a statement issued today by S2BN Entertainment, a partner in the venture. No reason was given for the shutdown.

More at cleveland.com:
http://www.cleveland.com/popmusic/index.ssf/2009/12/rock_and_roll_hall_of_fame_ann_1.html

part of the problem is that it isn't the easiest place to find. It's located on the lower level of a building in the back of an Old Navy store on Mercer St with no prominent signage. The Old Navy entrance faces Broadway, which is always crowded with tourists, but not the other side where the Hall of Fame is. Plus, I think the admission price was a little steep for the limited items on display, not that I ever went.

[rockandroller]

I'm GLAD it's closing.

[MyTwoSense]

I'm GLAD it's closing.

Me too, as I said before, it was a horrible attempt and unnecessary as the venue was super tiny and not well located. 

I declined many events there because of a) hometown loyalty b) it was a poorly executed project.  The money spent on that could and should have been used to promote the Cleveland sight!

[doctabroccoli]

Let me take out my teeny tiny violin and cry a teeny tiny tear

[MyTwoSense]

Let me take out my teeny tiny violin and cry a teeny tiny tear

 
Child please.  Save that tear for something meaningful.  That place was ill conceived, poorly executed and badly managed with too many cooks in the pot.

[mrnyc]

yeah its stuck in a basement and it looks like something stuck in a basement. its pretty slapdash. i've only been in the gift store and snuck a peek inside at the exhibits, but nothing impressed. what a waste of money and effort. oh well at least it came and went quickly.

here's the ap/nytimes on it:

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Annex in NYC Closing

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: December 4, 2009

CLEVELAND (AP) -- The year-old New York City annex to Cleveland's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum will shut down Jan. 3.

A news release issued Thursday by S2BN Entertainment, a partner in the venture, gave no reason for the closing.

Rock hall CEO Terry Stewart tells The Plain Dealer newspaper in Cleveland the decision was made by corporate partners who had backed the $10 million annex in downtown Manhattan.

Backers had hoped to attract up to a half-million visitors annually but have not said what attendance was.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/12/04/arts/AP-US-Rock-Hall-Annex.html

[8ShadesofGray]

Not sure this is such a great thing. I do get a certain karmic pleasure out of watching them lose the annex after hogging the induction ceremony for so long, but honestly, had this become the tourist trap that it was intended to be, it could have had significant financial benefits for the Rock Hall, which only would have stood to support the marketing, development and expansion of the museum here.

[MyTwoSense]

Not sure this is such a great thing. I do get a certain karmic pleasure out of watching them lose the annex after hogging the induction ceremony for so long, but honestly, had this become the tourist trap that it was intended to be, it could have had significant financial benefits for the Rock Hall, which only would have stood to support the marketing, development and expansion of the museum here.

8shades.  this "annex" was bad.  The kind of bad you say after you pay then walk around the corner and say WTH?!  It was a bad idea, that was poorly executed.

[8ShadesofGray]

I'll give you the poorly executed ... I differ a bit on the bad idea part I love the concept of brand extension that annexes could provide. And I'm a huge fan of bringing tourist dollars to the Cleve, even when those tourists aren't visiting here.

[rockandroller]

I don't see how people visiting an annex in NYC brings them to Cleveland.  Maybe seeing a movie or something about what's in the hall would bring people here, or some other kind of advertisement about the rotating events or other things you can do and see inside the hall, but not an annex. 

[so it goes]

I enjoyed the NYC Annex (I went on John Lennon's bday when it was free). There was a really awesome video presentation at the beginning of the exhibit with speakers that really enveloped you in sound. And they gave you headphones that automatically changed songs as you walked through the exhibits. Also while I was there, they had a John Lennon: The NYC years exhibit which was really interesting. There was even a phone that Yoko would call in on from time to time to talk with whoever was there.

That said, it definitely wasn't helping Cleveland's cause.

[rockandroller]

There was even a phone that Yoko would call in on from time to time to talk with whoever was there.

Yeah, see, that USED to be in Cleveland.  I don't see how it benefits the hall to take things away like that and display them elsewhere. It draws away from the uniqueness of the actual hall IMO.

[8ShadesofGray]

I don't see how people visiting an annex in NYC brings them to Cleveland.  Maybe seeing a movie or something about what's in the hall would bring people here, or some other kind of advertisement about the rotating events or other things you can do and see inside the hall, but not an annex. 

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I don't think the annex has the power to draw tourists to Cleveland, or at least not a strong drawing power (although I don't think it would detract someone from visiting if they were in Cleveland, either). But the revenue that goes to that annex or any other outpost of the Rock Hall brings dollars back to the nonprofit, dollars that likely wouldn't have gone to it otherwise. It would take incidental tourist dollars being spent in Manhattan and brings at least a portion of them back to Cleveland ... dollars that are then invested in supporting our local museum's staff, expansion of exhibits, more ambitious special exhibits, etc. The principle is the same as the Cleveland Orchestra splitting its time in Miami and Europe or the Cleveland Clinic opening hospitals outside of northeast Ohio; it heightens brand awareness, attracts visitors who would not have ventured to Cleveland anyway and provides an additional funding base for nonprofit ventures. The only downside I can see would be if an outpost operates at a loss.

There was even a phone that Yoko would call in on from time to time to talk with whoever was there.

Yeah, see, that USED to be in Cleveland.  I don't see how it benefits the hall to take things away like that and display them elsewhere. It draws away from the uniqueness of the actual hall IMO.

I don't know ... I can't imagine it would negatively impact visitation of Cleveland's Hall. The vast majority of Rock Hall attendees are incidental visitors ... They are in Cleveland visiting friends or family, and the Rock Hall is a nice added feature but not the reason they came. I don't think those who visit Cleveland specifically to hit up the museum would suddenly favor an outpost over the real deal; if they're that crazy about rock history, they're going to want to see the fullest collection possible. The only downsides I can see are if someone was planning to attend the Rock Hall but now favor something geographically closer or if they have a negative experience at an Annex and cancel plans to attend the full Hall. But I think these are pretty small groups and would be more than offset by additional revenue coming in.

[MyTwoSense]

I'll give you the poorly executed ... I differ a bit on the bad idea part I love the concept of brand extension that annexes could provide. And I'm a huge fan of bringing tourist dollars to the Cleve, even when those tourists aren't visiting here.

I dont like this kind of execution.  thats what "road shows" are for.  You take the product on the road to various venue to engage interest at the main venue.
 
This was poorly executed and managed.

[MyTwoSense]

I don't see how people visiting an annex in NYC brings them to Cleveland.  Maybe seeing a movie or something about what's in the hall would bring people here, or some other kind of advertisement about the rotating events or other things you can do and see inside the hall, but not an annex. 

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I don't think the annex has the power to draw tourists to Cleveland, or at least not a strong drawing power (although I don't think it would detract someone from visiting if they were in Cleveland, either). But the revenue that goes to that annex or any other outpost of the Rock Hall brings dollars back to the nonprofit, dollars that likely wouldn't have gone to it otherwise. It would take incidental tourist dollars being spent in Manhattan and brings at least a portion of them back to Cleveland ... dollars that are then invested in supporting our local museum's staff, expansion of exhibits, more ambitious special exhibits, etc. The principle is the same as the Cleveland Orchestra splitting its time in Miami and Europe or the Cleveland Clinic opening hospitals outside of northeast Ohio; it heightens brand awareness, attracts visitors who would not have ventured to Cleveland anyway and provides an additional funding base for nonprofit ventures. The only downside I can see would be if an outpost operates at a loss.

There was even a phone that Yoko would call in on from time to time to talk with whoever was there.

Yeah, see, that USED to be in Cleveland.  I don't see how it benefits the hall to take things away like that and display them elsewhere. It draws away from the uniqueness of the actual hall IMO.

I don't know ... I can't imagine it would negatively impact visitation of Cleveland's Hall. The vast majority of Rock Hall attendees are incidental visitors ... They are in Cleveland visiting friends or family, and the Rock Hall is a nice added feature but not the reason they came. I don't think those who visit Cleveland specifically to hit up the museum would suddenly favor an outpost over the real deal; if they're that crazy about rock history, they're going to want to see the fullest collection possible. The only downsides I can see are if someone was planning to attend the Rock Hall but now favor something geographically closer or if they have a negative experience at an Annex and cancel plans to attend the full Hall. But I think these are pretty small groups and would be more than offset by additional revenue coming in.

8shades, this was a partnership, not a wholly owned subsidary of the RRHoF. Another reason why I refused to support it personally and professionally.  Other sponsors saw what a bad project this was and Bloomingdales, Citi & Sony pulled out. 

[X]

I'll give you the poorly executed ... I differ a bit on the bad idea part I love the concept of brand extension that annexes could provide. And I'm a huge fan of bringing tourist dollars to the Cleve, even when those tourists aren't visiting here.

I dont like this kind of execution.  thats what "road shows" are for.  You take the product on the road to various venue to engage interest at the main venue.
 
This was poorly executed and managed.

I think that's a very interesting idea.  Do you know if the Rock Hall has ever considered it?

[MyTwoSense]

I'll give you the poorly executed ... I differ a bit on the bad idea part I love the concept of brand extension that annexes could provide. And I'm a huge fan of bringing tourist dollars to the Cleve, even when those tourists aren't visiting here.

 
I dont like this kind of execution.  thats what "road shows" are for.  You take the product on the road to various venue to engage interest at the main venue.
 
This was poorly executed and managed.

I think that's a very interesting idea.  Do you know if the Rock Hall has ever considered it?

I think they did one in phoenix.  I can't remember. 

[rockandroller]

No, the guitars went to Phoenix, but that isn't really related to the rock hall, other than being "art" in the same "genre."

[sfbob]

Does anyone know if the RHOF is on any kind of active expansion or future building plan? The more I visit this museum the more I realize what an amazing place it is. I think it's already an iconic building and don't know how they could expand but I'm sure they could. I think for the most part what is there is great but it could really become amazing. What makes it so unique is that it's just so American and although I am no expert it's so rare that we get any new museums that are like the Rock Hall. I wonder what kind of pitch there is to all the Rock Stars out there, past and present, to donate some of their millions to make the Hall even more impressive?

[MyTwoSense]

Does anyone know if the RHOF is on any kind of active expansion or future building plan? The more I visit this museum the more I realize what an amazing place it is. I think it's already an iconic building and don't know how they could expand but I'm sure they could. I think for the most part what is there is great but it could really become amazing. What makes it so unique is that it's just so American and although I am no expert it's so rare that we get any new museums that are like the Rock Hall. I wonder what kind of pitch there is to all the Rock Stars out there, past and present, to donate some of their millions to make the Hall even more impressive?

Someone correct me, but I think they own the land inbetween the RRHof and the GLSC is where any building expansion can take place.
 
They are building storage at Tri C as well.

[moonloop]

I got sunshine in my stomach, GENESIS in the Rock Hall!!!

Bring on all the prog rockers. King Crimson is on deck!!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[moonloop]

Another goodie. Trying to prevent this thread from being overrun with ABBA clips. 

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[sfbob]

Wow those are some great vitage clips of Genesis with Gabriel as the front man which is they way it should have been always.

[X]

Man, I love Gabriel's little hand signals.  The best is when he's talking about "the kingdom above", and emphatically pointing up to you know, bring home the point.  Still, he's a musical genius.

[8ShadesofGray]

Where are the UO gays to defend ABBA? C'mon my brethren, this is OUR band

[MyTwoSense]

Where are the UO gays to defend ABBA? C'mon my brethren, this is OUR band

Ummm....I'm not an ABBA fan.   I can't help you out on this one boo!

[willyboy]

I love my ABBA, I remember my mom playing the album when I was young, and then me (secretly) playing it when I was a teenager... (I totally blame that for my current state btw)

And as much as they were a part of American culture, Im just not so sure they belong in the Rock Hall.   On the other hand, are there still many deserving groups to be inducted?   

[rockandroller]

I love ABBA!  DH and I were fake-yelling at each other over the inductions.  Him:  ABBA? Please.  And not KISS? Me:  KISS SUCKS.

[MyTwoSense]

I love ABBA!  DH and I were fake-yelling at each other over the inductions.  Him:  ABBA? Please.  And not KISS? Me:  KISS SUCKS.

I'm with Mr RnR!  I love KISS!

[rockandroller]

To be fair, I'm not sure ABBA should be in "instead of" KISS, but it's not to say that Kiss won't ever be in there.  But I think Abba had a lot more hits, and that may be something they use to measure success, not legions of obsessed fans who buy action figures and Kiss caskets and stuff.