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Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #4445 on: January 26, 2013, 03:26:44 PM »
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Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #4447 on: January 27, 2013, 02:58:28 AM »
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Damn that Under-21 All-Stars list is insane: Kobe, LeBron, Magic, Shaq, Isiah, KG, Kyrie. Nice company for Kyrie.

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« Reply #4448 on: January 28, 2013, 02:10:33 AM »
I was there last night. Nice comeback effort from the bench in 3rd. Thank Byron Scott  for deciding to play the new guys, after initially saying wasn't going to.

There are times that I get chills watching Kyrie. The kid has ice water in his veins when it is time to close out the game. There is no way he isn't going to take the last shot.

Wow, that is a lot cliches in one post

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Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #4450 on: January 28, 2013, 06:30:29 AM »
Here's to the first of many.....

Kyrie Irving was named Eastern Conference Player of the Week for his efforts in three Cavaliers victories, the NBA announced Monday.

Irving averaged 35.7 points per game, which led the league in scoring, and shot .612 from the field (41-for-67).

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2013/01/kyrie_irving_named_eastern_con.html#incart_river_default

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« Reply #4451 on: January 28, 2013, 06:52:37 AM »
Was that really his first "player of the week" honor? And I agree with the cle.com poster's comment that he's on a path to get "player of the month" honors too.
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« Reply #4452 on: January 28, 2013, 06:57:40 AM »
^indeed it was.  He won three "rookie of the month" awards last year....

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« Reply #4453 on: January 28, 2013, 07:44:32 AM »
Chris Sheridan is bullish on the Cavs... a little wildly in my opinion.  I think this would be cool if his scenario played out and they made the playoffs, but I still think this team needs another lottery pick to grow into a championship caliber team.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/01/27/sheridan-hoops-mvp-rankings-after-week-13/
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« Reply #4454 on: January 28, 2013, 07:52:08 AM »
Agreed. This team is still 13-32. Granted, they have nine more home games than road games the rest of the season and their bench is much stronger with Speights and Ellington around. But they have such a deep hole to climb out of and everyone will have to stay healthy. I think we'll have reason to check the standings and contemplate some extreme playoff scenarios in April, but I will be surprised (happily!) if they can pull themselves out of this deep hole.
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« Reply #4455 on: January 28, 2013, 12:02:05 PM »
I enjoy watching basketball despite being pretty ignorant of the game in general.  I haven't been able to watch as much as I did during the Lebron years, since I dropped cable.

Here is my question.  It seems to me that Byron Scott is well respected and generally liked, despite poor records.  I'd say that I have a favorable, albeit ignorant view of him.  It seems like a rare situation in Cleveland where a team can slowly build a foundation without throwing the whole thing out when they don't find instant results.  (obviously, I am thinking of the Browns)

So, can anyone enlighten me?  Maybe it's because the Cavs fly a bit under the Cleveland sports radar?

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« Reply #4456 on: January 28, 2013, 12:59:36 PM »
I don't think you can judge Byron Scott on wins and losses.  They've handed him a team devoid of any veteran leadership, especially now that Andy is lost for the season.  He has to be judged on player development at this point.  The three main components on the current roster minus AV are now Kyrie, Dion, and Tristan...... who all should still be juniors in college.  When your veterans 'leaders' are Luke Walton and Shaun Livingston, winning ain't on the agenda.

I truly believe the Cavs looked at their roster and options and consciously decided that they needed one more year in the lottery.  They were underwhelmed by this past year's draft and they are not going to be delusional anymore about getting their elite talent through free agency.  Nearly every elite player in the league was a lottery pick and almost always a top 10 pick.  The arguably elite players still active and not picked in the lottery (Nash, Parker, Rondo) were all PGs and I think we're pretty much set at that position.
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« Reply #4457 on: January 28, 2013, 01:54:14 PM »
Well, how is he doing with development... because I honestly do not know.  I wasn't inferring that he should be judged poorly at all.  Say, compared with Mike Brown.

For that matter, why does Mike Brown seem to get the other end of the stick?
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« Reply #4458 on: January 28, 2013, 03:25:20 PM »
In football, the coaching staff is just as important as the players. There are countless examples of a new regime making an organization playoff contenders in 1-2 years. That makes fans and owners extremely impatient. You get two years to show progress or you're gone.

That kind of turnaround is rare in the NBA. It took 4-5 years before the Thunder became contenders with Durant. It takes years of development and tremendous luck in consecutive drafts. Basketball is 90% about the players and team chemistry. You can't buy wins in the NBA unless you live in Boston or L.A.. That generally makes people more patient. You don't really have a choice but to be. Even if it all goes right the team can be stuck in limbo for decades.

Byron Scott is safe until the Cavs are expected to win. That may not be for another year or two. The kid gloves come off once the expectation is there. A slow start, say 2-15 or something, and he's gone.

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« Reply #4459 on: January 29, 2013, 04:54:07 AM »
Kyrie is sick and didn't practice today. He may not play tonight against Golden State....
http://www.ohio.com/news/cavs-kyrie-irving-sick-questionable-tonight-against-warriors-1.368862

But the Warriors' Curry may not play either....
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/mark-jackson-rightfully-sits-injured-stephen-curry-says-151009550--nba.html

Then again, Kyrie might try to play if he reads this (from the yahoo sports article above):

"....The team may not need Curry’s talents even against a Cavalier team featuring All-Star Kyrie Irving."
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« Reply #4460 on: January 29, 2013, 04:15:26 PM »
Well that was an ugly game. The Cavs looked like they were the team that had played four road games in five nights, not the Warriors. Maybe Kyrie was too sick to play, but at least he scored 14 points -- 14 more than Alonzo Gee scored and who also allowed many more by Thompson et al. All of our other starters were in double figures, as was Speights and Miles. Not sure what's gotten into Gee's head, as he's been averaging 11 ppg this season.

BTW, not sure if Oden is worth the risk but it's an interesting story. We took a risk on signing Livingston and it's worked out OK so far....
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« Reply #4461 on: January 30, 2013, 12:22:27 AM »
What a great story it would be if Oden could revive his career with the Cavs.  I say take the risk, it's worth it.

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« Reply #4462 on: January 30, 2013, 08:01:02 AM »
Irving, Thompson, Waiters and Zeller all invited to play in the Rising Stars game during the All Star weekend, according to an ABj tweet.
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« Reply #4464 on: January 31, 2013, 02:53:33 AM »
^I mentioned a few weeks ago LBJ and his team had the decision AND "the return" planned before the night it was nationally televised.  I stand by my remarks. 

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« Reply #4465 on: January 31, 2013, 05:36:25 AM »
Where there's smoke.....

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--rudy-gay-trade-shows-lebron-james-the-future--super-team-era-ending--065716242.html

And how did the Cavs not end up with Rudy Gay?? Oh, and some superteams turn out to be nothing of the kind. See the Lakers.
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« Reply #4466 on: February 02, 2013, 01:53:28 PM »
Clutch fourth-period performance tonight against the Thunder! Shows what these young Cavs can do when they play with energy and focus. Wish we showed that last night against Detroit.
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« Reply #4467 on: February 02, 2013, 02:35:05 PM »
It also helps that Kyrie is a complete baller. He's so fun to watch.
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« Reply #4468 on: February 03, 2013, 01:13:50 AM »
Not to sound too cliche, but this team has a tendency to play up or down to the level of competition.  Kyrie showed his all-star status last night.  He closed out the game like him and only a small handfull of players in the league can.  But it really was the bench that was the difference, as it has been in recent past wins.  My man Mo Speights was en feugo.  Livingston's defense is off the charts good.  And CJ Miles might be going on another one of his 5-6 game hot streaks.  The starters fell behind in both halfs (nothing to be ashamed about against OKC) and the bench got us back into the ballgame both times.
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« Reply #4469 on: February 03, 2013, 09:28:47 AM »
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« Reply #4470 on: February 03, 2013, 11:59:40 AM »
I gather Mo really wants to play in Cleveland: lots of PT on a young, rising team with an All Star PG who will get him the ball... He also forfieted his Bird rights in OK'ing the trade which also indicates he wants to be here...  He's only played a few games with us, but his impact has been huge.  Speights, esp, and Ellington and Livingston have suddenly turned our sorry 2nd unit into a formidible bunch.  In fact, they generally have been stronger than the 1st unit, and collectively they play better D -- esp. Ellington. They've broght us back in games that the 1st unit has put us behind the 8 ball... I hope the Cavs to all they can do to convince him to stay.  He's a young Big who has muscle and can score from a variety of spots, including the 15-18 footer. 
 
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« Reply #4471 on: February 04, 2013, 01:54:35 AM »
I'm sure Speights saw opportuninity.  But I wouldntt be overly optimistic going into the offseason with him.  With the role he is playing, he is upping his value by the day.  The man wants to get paid this summer and playing sparingly behind Randolph and Gasol wasn't going to get him the contraact he wants.  Of course he wanted to come here. 
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« Reply #4472 on: February 04, 2013, 12:59:48 PM »
All players shop their wares in free agent years, so there's nothing new about that.  But there's no denying that Speights is the strongest and most talented/versatile big man the Cavs have had since Brad Daugherty and the Cavs, given the dearth of high-grade talent that's come through Cleveland since since July 10, 2010 -- save Kyrie of course, can ill afford to piss away such a talent with a primary eye (in this trade) on a first round draft pick loaded with so many protections, it may not materialize until 6 years from now.

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« Reply #4473 on: February 05, 2013, 12:54:10 PM »
Whoa let's calm down he has had a few good games, but let's wait and see him do this over an extended period of time

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« Reply #4474 on: February 06, 2013, 01:39:52 PM »
Call a doctor 'cause i'm starting to catch dat fever!
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« Reply #4475 on: February 06, 2013, 05:08:09 PM »
Call a doctor 'cause i'm starting to catch dat fever!

Call the doctor because Charlotte got their ass kicked up and down the floor. I mean, 100 points scored by the Cavs BEFORE the 4th period started?? Damn......

Kyrie: "Wow, coach was right! When you play with energy against the bad teams, not only will you win, but you can kick the crap out of them! I like it. Let's do another one!!"
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« Reply #4476 on: February 06, 2013, 11:36:59 PM »
I didn't get a chance to watch the game, and was pleasantly surprised to see the score. However, I was outright shocked to see that Kyrie only had 22 of the 122 points!

I even checked the standings. Stupid Boston is on a 5 game win streak so we are still 10 1/2 games back of the 8th seed. But 6-8 are clumped tightly together so if one of them go on a skid we could make up some ground.

Also may I admit I am mildly relieved, I was beginning to wonder when Scott was going to get these guys playing with some drive.
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« Reply #4477 on: February 07, 2013, 12:16:56 AM »
So that trade w/Memphis was pretty good, yes? 

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« Reply #4478 on: February 07, 2013, 12:20:23 AM »
Im sure HTS121 can correct me, but if Lakers sneak in the playoffs (only 3 games out), we will get their pick? Which unless they just go unconscious will be a 15-20 pick.  AND if Memphis tanks (with Gay gone, not unrealistic), we will get their pick as well?

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« Reply #4479 on: February 07, 2013, 12:30:22 AM »
^ Yes that's correct...Root for the Lakers to get the 7th or 8th seed, and Memphis to lose.