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« Reply #840 on: April 04, 2011, 01:26:33 AM »
I am anticipating that some will respond: we have demand-response transit vehicles to take people where the regular transit system doesn't go, so this is not a violation of civil rights. The counter to that is this statement at:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/opinion/entries/2011/04/03/ellen_belcher_bcreek_may_face.html?cxtype=feedbot

Some pointed to Greene County’s small transit operation — Greene Coordinated Agency Transportation System or Greene CATS — as an alternative to RTA.

But Dayton Daily News Staff Writer Mark Gokavi interviewed its executive director, who said the operation turns away 400 people a month because it doesn’t have the money or buses to meet the demand for transportation.


Thus, one can argue that Ohio's transportation spending policy may violate the civil rights of the disabled, the elderly and possibly others too. That point was argued at:

http://www.greatcity.org/2010/09/08/does-our-transportation-funding-violate-the-civil-rights-act/
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« Reply #841 on: April 04, 2011, 07:30:00 AM »

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Ohio Governor John Kasich and ODOT Director Jerry Wray jointly announced a bold new transportation plan today that would revolutionize the way Ohioans travel. As a follow-up to Wednesday’s approval of ODOT’s $6.8-billion budget, a new super-super-highway was just unveiled this morning, which would connect Ohio’s major cities with 269 miles of new road. The project is expected to cost $4.5-trillion dollars and is scheduled to open Summer 2025.
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Re: ODOT Policy Discussion
« Reply #842 on: April 04, 2011, 08:24:14 AM »
^For that matter, ADA rules say that new developments have to have accessible paths with ramps of no more than 8%. New residential streets with sidewalks that are publicly maintained often have slopes greater than that, but I don't think it's ever been challenged.
ADA allows the grade of the walk to follow the (longitudinal) grade of the road if the grade of the road is steeper than 8%, for walks that are parallel to the road as part of the road section

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« Reply #843 on: April 05, 2011, 02:00:43 AM »

   Almost by definition, the suburbs are the domain of the middle and upper classes. The lower classes cannot reach the suburbs because they do not drive. Some suburban residents realize this, and want to keep it that way.


Suburbs are now poorer on average than core cities. There have been several discussions on this site about this recent phenomenon.

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« Reply #844 on: April 05, 2011, 02:55:42 AM »
Suburbs are now poorer on average than core cities. There have been several discussions on this site about this recent phenomenon.

I'm not sure that is quite true. I think more accurately one would say that most of the growth in poverty across the country has come in the suburbs rather than in the core cities. Broadly, there is more wealth in the 'burbs, but generally 'burbs have more problems with poverty, while the core cities are seeing more upwardly mobile populations.

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« Reply #845 on: April 12, 2011, 08:10:17 AM »
http://www.dot.state.oh.us/news/Pages/TRACApproves$70MillionInNewTransportationFunding.aspx

4/12/2011     
TRAC Approves $70 Million In New Transportation Funding
Projects Focused on Economic Development and Safety 



COLUMBUS (Tuesday, April 12, 2011) – The Transportation Review Advisory Council (TRAC) gave Ohio a shot in the arm today as they approved $70 million for new transportation projects that will boost the economy and improve safety on Ohio’s roads.

TRAC - the independent council that assists the Ohio Department of Transportation (ODOT) in selecting its largest investments – overwhelmingly voted to approve funding for safety and economic development transportation projects around Ohio. The approved list of projects ends a year-long selection process.

“Today concluded an open and fair selection process which delivered a final project list that will increase economic development and safety for Ohioans,” said ODOT Director Jerry Wray who also chairs the TRAC.  “We had to make some difficult decisions to keep the list within fiscal balance while still keeping pace with our state’s growing transportation needs.”

In addition to projects already under construction, the list includes projects ready for new construction and projects that will be studied and designed for potential construction in the future.

TRAC approved funding for two projects expected to bring economic development to Ohio. The Pickaway East/West Connector received $2.7 million for design and $800,000 went to the Mid-Ohio Intermodal Facility in Marion.

Two safety projects to separate railroad crossings from roadways with underpasses include $13.2 million for CR73/McCord Rd. near Toledo and $16.6 million for SR 58 in the village of Wellington.

Nearly $15 million was also approved for the Mahoning Rd. Transit Corridor, which will add new transit service along SR 153 in city of Canton. The second phase of the State Route 42 widening through the city of Strongsville will also be completed with the $6 million in TRAC funds approved today.

Last spring, local municipalities, county commissioners and county engineers, metropolitan planning organizations, and port authorities submitted applications for new construction investments as well as funding for new planning, design, and right of way work to the TRAC.  Click HERE (http://www.dot.state.oh.us/trac/Pages/Default.aspx) for the final approved TRAC list. 

For more information contact:
Melissa Ayers, Central Office Communications, at 614-644-8640
or your local ODOT District Communications Office
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Re: ODOT Policy Discussion
« Reply #846 on: April 13, 2011, 02:10:44 AM »
Still bummed, though not surprised, that the Clifton Blvd Enhancement project was axed.  Nearly every project approved is some sort of suburban freeway widening or new interchange.  At least it fosters development of new Cracker Barells.   :laugh:

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« Reply #847 on: April 13, 2011, 03:14:53 AM »
Agreed.....but actually there are two good railroad grade separation projects on the appproved list.... McCord Rd in Toledo and SR 58 in Wellington.  It will eliminate two busy and dangerous railroad grade crossings.

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« Reply #848 on: April 13, 2011, 04:14:42 AM »
Agreed.....but actually there are two good railroad grade separation projects on the appproved list.... McCord Rd in Toledo and SR 58 in Wellington.  It will eliminate two busy and dangerous railroad grade crossings.



I'm sure everyone on here would agree with expenditures on safety--just not those designed to encourage more sprawl!

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Re: ODOT Policy Discussion
« Reply #849 on: April 22, 2011, 03:01:49 AM »
ODOT to shelve some projects
Friday, April 22, 2011  03:04 AM
By Robert Vitale

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

The Ohio Department of Transportation said it can afford $1 billion for highway planning during the next eight years, but it has $10.3 billion worth of projects in the planning stage.

As a result, many of those projects could be moved off the priority list, Director Jerry Wray said yesterday.

"Local leaders around the state can expect to hear some yeses, some maybes and - for the first time in a long time - some nos. The money is not there," Wray said at the annual State of the Region luncheon hosted by the Mid-Ohio Regional Planning Commission.


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« Reply #850 on: April 22, 2011, 03:37:52 AM »
^ Looks like Ohio Republicans might be waking up a bit to fiscal reality. If Kasich wants to add toll booths to new road projects instead of raising the gas tax (taxes are evil, right?), then so be it. Forcing roads to "pay for themselves" will be a great way to encourage rail development!

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A two-year transportation-spending bill signed recently by Gov. John Kasich allows the state to enlist private companies to build and maintain highways. Wray said that strategy - the companies then could charge tolls or get payments from the state - could stretch government's road-building dollars.

MORPC Executive Director Chester Jourdan said leaders need to look at new ways to pay for roadwork to keep people and goods moving. Gasoline taxes have paid for highway projects historically, but consumption declines during the recession and recent price spikes have made that source less reliable.

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« Reply #851 on: April 22, 2011, 03:41:12 AM »
1 billion over 8 years???? Im sure the collect more taxes than that.

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« Reply #852 on: April 22, 2011, 03:43:00 AM »
Thoughts on which roads should go toll. My initial thought would some of the rural state routes like 32, but it seems unfair to punish the poorest parts of the state. Ohio 161 from Columbus to Newark might be a good one.

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« Reply #853 on: April 22, 2011, 03:56:00 AM »
I wonder if companies collecting tolls for contributions to construction costs will be contributing to maintenance of the infrastructure. Would that be a given?

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« Reply #854 on: April 22, 2011, 06:44:03 AM »
Could Ohio pay the feds back for say a mile of I-71 and put in toll booths? If so, that would be a great way to raise money for road maintenance.  For example, we could put a toll plaza north and south of Columbus on I-71, east and west of columbus on I-70, and south of Dayton on I-75 and between Toledo and Dayton on I-75.  Just six miles of interstate, where the state agrees to pay 100% of the maintenance costs in the mile  around each toll plaza. 

Would that work?  Or do we still need Congress to change the law to allow states to collect any tolls?

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« Reply #855 on: April 22, 2011, 08:52:57 AM »
No portion of the Interstate Highway System may be tolled. While I-80 is shown on maps as part of the Turnpike, they only do that to make navigation easier. Same with I-77/64 and the WV Turnpike. I-71 would have to be decommissioned through Columbus and changed over to a toll road.

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« Reply #856 on: April 22, 2011, 04:19:43 PM »
No portion of the Interstate Highway System may be tolled. While I-80 is shown on maps as part of the Turnpike, they only do that to make navigation easier. Same with I-77/64 and the WV Turnpike. I-71 would have to be decommissioned through Columbus and changed over to a toll road.
Actually many portions of the Interstate Highway system are tolled, (mostly because they're bridges, tunnels, or highways that charged tolls before they became interstates) but there has to be a reason to do so, and it must be approved by the FHWA.

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« Reply #857 on: April 23, 2011, 03:52:15 AM »
Kasich is not one for playing by rules, so we shall see how he tries to do toll implementation...if he is actually serious about it.

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« Reply #858 on: April 23, 2011, 06:44:47 AM »
No portion of the Interstate Highway System may be tolled. While I-80 is shown on maps as part of the Turnpike, they only do that to make navigation easier. Same with I-77/64 and the WV Turnpike. I-71 would have to be decommissioned through Columbus and changed over to a toll road.
Actually many portions of the Interstate Highway system are tolled, (mostly because they're bridges, tunnels, or highways that charged tolls before they became interstates) but there has to be a reason to do so, and it must be approved by the FHWA.

Which isn't making such approvals -- as evidenced recently by the FHWA's denial of PennDOT's request to make I-80 a toll road.
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« Reply #859 on: April 24, 2011, 04:19:04 AM »
 
Kasich is not one for playing by rules, so we shall see how he tries to do toll implementation...if he is actually serious about it.
Which (the federal government) isn't making such approvals -- as evidenced recently by the FHWA's denial of PennDOT's request to make I-80 a toll road.
As usual, Kasich does not know wtf he is talking about.  He figures that there is no downside to creating controversy and pitting groups of Ohioans against each other.
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« Reply #860 on: April 25, 2011, 04:04:14 AM »
Under a FHWA Pilot Program, there are a limited number of existing interstate highways that can be tolled. I believe there are a total of 6 or 8 slots in this program, which PA I-80 was trying for, without success. There are still slots available for a state to apply for.

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« Reply #861 on: April 25, 2011, 04:41:24 AM »
Once it goes toll it will always be tolled.

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« Reply #862 on: April 25, 2011, 04:56:56 AM »
Under a FHWA Pilot Program, there are a limited number of existing interstate highways that can be tolled. I believe there are a total of 6 or 8 slots in this program, which PA I-80 was trying for, without success. There are still slots available for a state to apply for.

Put me down as being in favor of changing the law to permit tolling all intercity sections of the interstate highway system with all tolls going toward maintenance of the interstate highway system.  Much better than using a portion of income taxes, which is what is happening now.

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« Reply #863 on: May 09, 2011, 10:27:08 PM »
Rail, bus projects face lower chance of state funds
Tuesday, May 10, 2011  03:07 AM
By Robert Vitale
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

The Ohio Department of Transportation has erased talk of an "integrated network" of roads, rails and other modes of travel in the Kasich administration's first rewrite of policies that guide state-funding decisions.

A 34-page proposal released yesterday for the group that prioritizes transportation projects across Ohio instead would emphasize those with economic-development potential and funding that's already lined up by local governments.

"It's not necessarily out," ODOT spokesman David Rose said of rail and bus and other non-highway projects embraced by Republican Gov. John Kasich's predecessor, Democrat Ted Strickland.

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« Reply #864 on: May 10, 2011, 12:47:26 AM »
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« Reply #865 on: May 10, 2011, 01:38:52 AM »
That language should actually improve funding chances for rail, due to its untapped economic development potential.

I guess the question is: who gets to determine the expected economic impact of a given project?
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« Reply #866 on: May 10, 2011, 02:30:30 AM »
That didn't help the Cincinnati streetcar which its economic impact showed huge development potential. But ODOT felt it was a local project that could succeed as well as with trolley buses.

ODOT's staff under the director, the chair of the Transportation Review Advisory Council, does the analysis of economic development impacts of a given project. So, far the next few years, that means if a project requires more asphalt, it probably means economic development to Wray's Robots.
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« Reply #867 on: May 10, 2011, 02:59:49 AM »
Okay, so the answer is Wray.

Honestly, I don't think this matters anyhow. The powers-that-be clearly have an agenda, and they will do what they will do. Defunding the streetcar proved that.
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« Reply #868 on: May 11, 2011, 04:20:32 AM »
Under a FHWA Pilot Program, there are a limited number of existing interstate highways that can be tolled. I believe there are a total of 6 or 8 slots in this program, which PA I-80 was trying for, without success. There are still slots available for a state to apply for.
Do you have any more material on that?  I would like to know.  thanks
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« Reply #870 on: May 11, 2011, 01:28:08 PM »
Thanks.  I read several of the pages.  There are three slots. 

They should just raise the fuel tax, IMO
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« Reply #871 on: May 11, 2011, 04:39:02 PM »
There are three slots. 

Yeah, and only one of the three slots is still available.  It doesn't seem like many states have applied for a slot, so I'm kind of surprised I-80 in PA got turned down, unless (1) they're getting picky since there's only one slot left or (2) they just didn't want both major east-west interstates in PA to be toll roads.

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« Reply #872 on: May 12, 2011, 12:00:44 AM »
That language should actually improve funding chances for rail, due to its untapped economic development potential.

I guess the question is: who gets to determine the expected economic impact of a given project?

Wray and ODOT are rigging the game in favor more highways. They were embarrassed that a lowly streetcar beat out their roads as the highest ranked project in the state by TRAC. Forget anything else.
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« Reply #873 on: May 12, 2011, 01:26:14 AM »
There are three slots. 

Yeah, and only one of the three slots is still available.  It doesn't seem like many states have applied for a slot, so I'm kind of surprised I-80 in PA got turned down, unless (1) they're getting picky since there's only one slot left or (2) they just didn't want both major east-west interstates in PA to be toll roads.
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