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Loretto
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Columbus' Natural Disaster rank is amusing. Apparently heading down I71 is more dangerous than I thought!
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Hts44121
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Isn't it amazing what happens to our crime statistics when numbers from the entire MSA, and not just the City proper, are taken into account.
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unusualfire
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What the hell is wrong with people? What's causing all these mental illnesses? They are saying some of the bodies found in this home may have been there for years.
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Wheelingman
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Does anyone know how many murders Cleveland has had up until now? I know they had 79 as of Oct 5TH.
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From the New York Times: Neighbor Says Police Knew About Rapist’s House By IAN URBINA Published: November 2, 2009 A neighbor of the convicted rapist in Cleveland who was arrested Saturday night after six decomposed bodies were found in his house said Monday that the police were notified repeatedly about violence there, but little was done. The neighbor, Fawcett Bess, 57, the owner of Bess Chicken and Pizza, across Imperial Avenue from the house, said that about two weeks ago he found the rapist, Anthony Sowell, in the bushes alongside Mr. Sowell’s house naked and standing over a woman who was bloodied, beaten and naked. Mr. Bess said he called 911, and an ambulance soon took the woman away. But the police showed up two hours later and never interviewed him, Mr. Bess said. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/us/03rape.html?hpThis is ridiculous. The Police will surely say that they don't have the manpower to investigate, but I have to wonder if they can't even get to this sort of stuff what they are doing. You can double, triple, whatever the number of police, but if they aren't doing sh-t what's the point?
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DanB
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What the hell is wrong with people? What's causing all these mental illnesses? They are saying some of the bodies found in this home may have been there for years.
It's been the same throughout history. Probably was just easier to get away with it in the past.
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What the hell is wrong with people? What's causing all these mental illnesses? They are saying some of the bodies found in this home may have been there for years.
It's been the same throughout history. Probably was just easier to get away with it in the past.
I have to agree. It gets lost in the relentless media coverage, but people have always been sick.
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doctabroccoli
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This is ridiculous. The Police will surely say that they don't have the manpower to investigate, but I have to wonder if they can't even get to this sort of stuff what they are doing. You can double, triple, whatever the number of police, but if they aren't doing sh-t what's the point?
And that is why I call the Downtown Cleveland Alliance to report suspicious activity......
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Oldmanladyluck
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WTF This angers me to no end!! The police didn't even bother to interview someone who SAW what was going on?!! How does this happen? Why is this allowed to happen?!!
Six women were missing in the neighborhood. I could only assume that the police were notified of most, if not all of these persons who were missing in the neighborhood. No investigations. No database searches. NOTHING.
Bullsh!t.
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rockandroller
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OMG. Jeez. I feel so bad for the families of these women.
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MyTwoSense
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OMG. Jeez. I feel so bad for the families of these women.
I know. I've been down those street on the way to the park. That's a decent area. The sad part about this, and I really hate to think like this, but the 6, now 7, bodies found, is only the tip of the iceberg.
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doctabroccoli
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I just hope they are able to identify these women so their families can properly lay them to rest.
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Oldmanladyluck
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Up to eight now. I've went from anger to sadness for the families who have been affected by this, along with the community. Eight women.
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TMH
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This shows how important citizen involvement is in a free democracy. Crime is only one area, but for a democracy to be successful, the citizens must be actively involved in the issues of the community. I am not talking vigilante, which is outside the bounds of the law, but I am talking about the active participation of common citizens in keeping the peace. It is important for a community to survive that its citizens actively participate in the day to day activities of the community. This includes people watching out for neighbors and reporting crime or the possibility of a crime being committed to the police.
I commend the parents of the Cleveland Arts School for proposing watching and patrolling the bus stops in response to several students being injured in the neighborhood. This is the kind of action needed to stop local crime. It takes courage and commitment from the citizens. The police are essentially a support system.
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StrapHanger
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^Actually, I think this shows how incompetent certain elements of the CPD are, given that, per that NYT article, there was "citizen involvement" in the form of calls to the police.
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unusualfire
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Anyone know how many missing women has their been in the area?
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MyTwoSense
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Anyone know how many missing women has their been in the area?
No, however, via a source. Neighbors and people throughout NEO are calling and stopping by the precinct to inquire about loved ones who have been reported missing.
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cardsnxtyr
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This is unbelievable, I can't even imagine how many more bodies are going to found that Sowell is responsible for. Hopefully all the bodies will be identified and returned to the loved ones to give them a proper burial.
I never knew that E. 123rd and Imperial is considered a Cleveland suburb either, at least thats the way Nancy Grace called it on her show last night.
Another thing that got to me was a blond lady on Nancy Grace last night claiming the reason that there were no missing people reports and nor more of a hunt for the women who were missing in this neighborhood is because of the "socio-economic nature of this community." And of course Nancy disGrace didnt ask her what she meant by that comment, instead the show went to commercial.
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surfohio
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Don't forget, however, that even before the police allegedly dropped the ball here, this Sowell character should have never, ever been let out of prison. Evidently, we need more prison space and harsher sentences for violent rapists. ^Actually, I think this shows how incompetent certain elements of the CPD are, given that, per that NYT article, there was "citizen involvement" in the form of calls to the police.
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Oldmanladyluck
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This just keeps getting worse by the day. ^Actually, I think this shows how incompetent certain elements of the CPD are, given that, per that NYT article, there was "citizen involvement" in the form of calls to the police.
I agree. Completely.
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Don't forget, however, that even before the police allegedly dropped the ball here, this Sowell character should have never, ever been let out of prison. Evidently, we need more prison space and harsher sentences for violent rapists.
^Actually, I think this shows how incompetent certain elements of the CPD are, given that, per that NYT article, there was "citizen involvement" in the form of calls to the police.
Maybe we should stop filling the many prison cells we have already with nonviolent offenders?
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DanB
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Do you really think that is the problem, or is it more of a systemic problem that makes people believe that everybody can be rehabilitated? I know there may be a few instances where people are in jail for harmless crimes, but for the most part, someone like this wasn't let out because another was in for failing to pay parking tickets.
It goes along with the current reliance on "hate crime" legislation. In a society that punishes people for hurting others, there should be no need for hate crime legislation. If you beat somebody, drag them behind your car, do anything to injure them, the punishment should be the same. It shouldn't matter WHY it was done.
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tedolph
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Everything that is old is new. SeeTorso murders-1930's Cleveland. They knew who he was but even Elliot Ness couldn't put him away. Serial killers are a beast unto themselves. Our constitutional protections against government intrusions, effected by our police and Court systems are ill equipped to handle this very unusual kind kind of criminal. Thus, few if any inferences can be drawn about the effectiveness of our police, the community, etc. from these events.
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StrapHanger
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I know there may be a few instances where people are in jail for harmless crimes, but for the most part,
Or a few million instances, depending on your view of personal drug use. But anyway, I agree that this probably doesn't have much to do with prison overcrowding. I have no idea how this relates to hate crime legislation though. And I disagree this has to do with naive expectations for rehabilitation. This stuff is hard because, for pretty good reasons, we generally don't imprison people for crimes they haven't committed. There are exceptions, of course, and I'm guessing those exceptions will continue to expand in response to horrible cases like this.
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unusualfire
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Are all these murders counted for this year stats? Even though some may have died years back?
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E Rocc
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I know there may be a few instances where people are in jail for harmless crimes, but for the most part,
Or a few million instances, depending on your view of personal drug use. But anyway, I agree that this probably doesn't have much to do with prison overcrowding. I have no idea how this relates to hate crime legislation though. And I disagree this has to do with naive expectations for rehabilitation.
This stuff is hard because, for pretty good reasons, we generally don't imprison people for crimes they haven't committed. There are exceptions, of course, and I'm guessing those exceptions will continue to expand in response to horrible cases like this.
Agreed on the nonviolent drug crimes, certainly it's much more sensible to let those offenders out and keep the violent ones locked up.
As for "hate crimes", it's true that topic relates to the Sowell case only indirectly (would he be treated differently as a white man killing black women?). It's a sore subject for those of us on the right because we think it allows the left to have their cake and eat it too. Considering the exact same crime to be worse for strictly political reasons is IMO dangerous. It contaminates the justice system.
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rockandroller
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SeeTorso murders-1930's Cleveland. They knew who he was but even Elliot Ness couldn't put him away. Not everyone believed/believes that Sweeney was anything more than a sarcastic pest.
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