Author Topic: Cincinnati: Pendleton: Horseshoe Casino (Read 144499 times)

Cincinnatus · « **Reply #210 on:** November 13, 2009, 03:28:07 AM »

^ You've never lived on the west side have you?

... During the Reggie Miller dynasty, there were Pacer jerseys on every man, woman, and child.

Cincinnatus · « **Reply #211 on:** November 13, 2009, 03:30:35 AM »

Quote from: Johio on November 13, 2009, 03:25:32 AM

Quote from: Cincinnatus on November 13, 2009, 03:14:34 AM
^ But most do not have MLB or NFL, which are the two most popular sports in the U.S. What, Cleveland is the only city on that list that has NBA, *NFL, and MLB, with a small(er) metro.

*I guess you could not count the Browns.

Cbus and Indy will never get MLB because of Cincinnati and Indy may hurt our chances of NBA. Cbus could hurt our chances of getting NHL, but even the Bluejackets are struggling in Cbus.

Personally, and I've said it before, if we had to choose between NBA or NHL - I'd pick NHL hands down. There's more respect for NHL players and this city seems to appreciate that. (when I say respect, I mean how hard the players play/the $$$ they make)

I agree that Indy will probably never see professional baseball b/c it is sandwiched between so many other existing teams; Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Cincinnati. I'm not sure how much of a market the Pacers have in Cincinnati, though. In fact, I don't think the city has any NBA allegiance whatsoever. The Bearcats and Musketeers apparently fill that void. From that standpoint the NHL probably would be a better fit. From the sounds of it, there are several NHL teams that are in a world of financial hurt. If it ever became abundantly clear that a team was available, it'd be interesting to see if Cincy (or Cleveland) would make a play at them. I don't think the Bluejackets have much interest outside of Central Ohio but I could be wrong.

I think the Cyclones fever gets stronger and stronger since they blew it up on the AHL scene, that coupled with the hustlin-not-paid-as-much sport, it would be a success here.

Johio · « **Reply #212 on:** November 13, 2009, 03:34:59 AM »

Quote from: Cincinnatus on November 13, 2009, 03:28:07 AM

^ You've never lived on the west side have you? ... During the Reggie Miller dynasty, there were Pacer jerseys on every man, woman, and child.

Guilty as charged.

BlackBengal · « **Reply #213 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:08:59 AM »

Quote from: thomasbw on November 13, 2009, 03:17:35 AM

No offense to Columbus here, but the Blue Jackets are the only NHL team in the state, located in the state capitol, and have the state flag as the team's logo

Change your name to the Ohio Blue Jackets and broaden your fan base by 9 million people

I think that Columbus really wanted to put themselves on the map as a major city when they got their NHL team. Big cities have major sports teams. That's why they went with "Columbus" instead of "Ohio." I bet if they went with "Ohio" they would get a lot more attention in Cincy and Cleveland.

thomasbw · « **Reply #214 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:11:50 AM »

Quote from: Cincinnatus on November 13, 2009, 03:20:18 AM

^ Sh!t, I'd love for the Blue Jackets to come to Cincy, to try their financial luck here!

Btw, do you really think the name change would have that large of an impact?

I don't think the name change could hurt. I can't imagine anyone in Columbus saying "Well I was a Columbus Blue Jackets fan but an Ohio Blue Jackets fan? NO WAY" but I could imagine hockey fans around the state with no particular allegiance to Columbus supporting the Ohio Blue Jackets

Caseyc · « **Reply #215 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:14:24 AM »

I will predict that the "acts", if any, that this casino books will be pretty low level trivial stuff. These guys aren't looking to build a Vegas casino. It's a regional draw and will oeprate like one. Even the Detroit casinos, which are considerably larger than what will go in Broadway Commons, never really ventured into the "big entertainment" realm, opting instead for DJ's and cheesey bar bands playing in lounges. Windsor has an auditorium but the acts were always lame. I believe Motor City has a club which books stuff like Brian Setzer Orchestra and dreck like the Goo Goo Dolls et al. That is as big as it gets. MGM Grand has overpriced nightclubs...Greektown is the same.

In order to integrate the casino in the community, the draw will be for people to go elsewhere to see bands and entertainment. That is at it should be. You don't want a casino sucking up all of the entertainment draw downtown, even if they wanted to (which they don't). In Vegas, it's a totally different equation.

jmecklenborg · « **Reply #216 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:41:30 AM »

Casinos are one of the only gigs that treats local cover bands well. I know some Cincinnati cover bands get decent paid gigs at the Indiana casinos, however they're stuck doing John Mellencamp covers and the like. I know some of the bands were getting around $2,000 to play a 3 hour set, which is motivation to not have horns and backing vocals.

Jimmy_James · « **Reply #217 on:** November 13, 2009, 06:08:43 AM »

Quote from: Caseyc on November 13, 2009, 04:14:24 AM

Even the Detroit casinos, which are considerably larger than what will go in Broadway Commons...

Do we know how big/small the Broadway Commons casino will be?

xumelanie · « **Reply #218 on:** November 13, 2009, 06:11:04 AM »

Quote from: jmecklenborg on November 13, 2009, 04:41:30 AM

Casinos are one of the only gigs that treats local cover bands well.

Wedding receptions do, too.

The developers are spending a minimum of $250 million on the casino without a hotel. I would imagine they would have several entertainment options as well.

Caseyc · « **Reply #219 on:** November 13, 2009, 06:26:20 AM »

$250 million is not a lot for a casino without hotel. MGM in Detroit spent $220 million on converting a former IRS office into their "temporary" casino in 1999. Note that casino also included a 3,000+ space parking structure.

Sherman Cahal · « **Reply #220 on:** November 13, 2009, 07:19:21 AM »

...which is all vacant today. They really make that much money that they can abandon their temporary site for something much fancier!

Civvik · « **Reply #221 on:** November 13, 2009, 09:48:47 AM »

Quote from: Jimmy_James on November 13, 2009, 06:08:43 AM

Quote from: Caseyc on November 13, 2009, 04:14:24 AM
Even the Detroit casinos, which are considerably larger than what will go in Broadway Commons...

Do we know how big/small the Broadway Commons casino will be?

300,000 Square Feet at 2 or 3 stories.

Here is the GoogleMaps street view of a new 300,000 SF casino in Tulsa:

Dirty Sandpit · « **Reply #222 on:** November 15, 2009, 05:18:24 AM »

I was hoping it would have a hotel and casino.

TheHemroid · « **Reply #223 on:** November 15, 2009, 06:12:17 AM »

You never know sandpit. This casino is bound to spark a lot of development. There's plenty of room for it.

jmecklenborg · « **Reply #224 on:** November 15, 2009, 06:30:04 AM »

The boat in Lawrenceburg is 400x100 feet, or 1/4 the size of a standard Cincinnati city block. So you could put four of the Lawreneburg boats on one city block. When you think of it in this perspective, it's relieving to know that all the suckers in a metro area can fit into a 400x100ft. box.

Sherman Cahal · « **Reply #225 on:** November 16, 2009, 12:08:01 AM »

Back on topic, folks. Pruned some nonconstructive comments by DanB, and the follow-ups that resulted from that.

DanB · « **Reply #226 on:** November 16, 2009, 12:52:18 AM »

To clear things up for the uninformed, the Lawrenceburg casino is not a boat, the gambling floor alone is not 40,000 sq. ft. but 150,000 sq ft., and not everyone who enjoys casinos is a sucker. But don't let facts get in the way of a clever post!

Ram23 · « **Reply #227 on:** November 16, 2009, 02:41:28 AM »

On that note, I'm not a sucker, and I wouldn't ever drive all the way out to Lawrenceburg for a casino, but if I find myself downtown for a few drinks somewhere, it's very likely I may wander over and into the casino for a little while. Or even take the streetcar down from my house in The Heights. It's all about the location. Anyone else feel that way??

Living in Gin · « **Reply #228 on:** November 16, 2009, 02:44:06 AM »

I'll go there if they have a cheap prime rib buffet like the places in Vegas. I probably wouldn't spend any money on gambling, though.

DanB · « **Reply #229 on:** November 16, 2009, 02:44:53 AM »

^Of course, its just another form of entertainment.

Cincinnatus · « **Reply #230 on:** November 16, 2009, 02:57:33 AM »

Hell, I'll go down too ... all I have to do is walk down a bunch of stairs. Plus, it's a quick way to make a bunch of money.

What I like about Tunica is the free food and drinks .... I guess with the lack of competition, we won't be seeing that, but it's a great draw and people my age (late 20's - early 30's) love this idea.

DanB · « **Reply #231 on:** November 16, 2009, 03:02:05 AM »

Who's the bigger sucker, someone who spends $200 for dinner for 2 at Jeff Ruby's, or someone who takes that $200 to the casino with a chance to come out with more than $200?

Rob Jaques · « **Reply #232 on:** November 16, 2009, 03:45:58 AM »

Quote from: DanB on November 16, 2009, 03:02:05 AM

Who's the bigger sucker, someone who spends $200 for dinner for 2 at Jeff Ruby's, or someone who takes that $200 to the casino with a chance to come out with more than $200?

Both...

TheHemroid · « **Reply #233 on:** November 16, 2009, 10:15:08 AM »

I will enter this casino with $100. If I run out without winning a dime, I will mentally punch myself in the balls and tell myself to leave lol.

DanB · « **Reply #234 on:** November 16, 2009, 01:00:56 PM »

I guess a better example than a nice restaurant would be a Bengals game for 2. That could account for hundreds of dollars. By the time one buys 2 tickets, a few beers, hot dogs, etc, you're talking a lot of money. Who are we to question someone's choice of entertainment by calling them suckers?

Civvik · « **Reply #235 on:** November 16, 2009, 01:35:40 PM »

^Americans, with the freedom to speak freely. And the freedom to sucker.

Sherman Cahal · « **Reply #236 on:** November 16, 2009, 01:54:30 PM »

It is a choice for someone to go into a casino and spend their money gambling. If they lose their life's savings, that is their responsibility, not ours or the government. If they win, then they can take all the credit. There are no suckers in this, only chances.

bigredmachine · « **Reply #237 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:33:41 AM »

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on November 16, 2009, 01:54:30 PM

It is a choice for someone to go into a casino and spend their money gambling. If they lose their life's savings, that is their responsibility, not ours or the government. If they win, then they can take all the credit. There are no suckers in this, only chances.

Also true if heroin was legal...

cincySAL · « **Reply #238 on:** November 18, 2009, 01:34:24 AM »

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on November 16, 2009, 01:54:30 PM

It is a choice for someone to go into a casino and spend their money gambling. If they lose their life's savings, that is their responsibility, not ours or the government. If they win, then they can take all the credit. There are no suckers in this, only chances.

Somehow I get the feeling that if they lose all their life savings it will end up costing me some money. If the gov't has taught us anything it's that these people will be bailed out with my tax dollars.

PRidgeFlyer · « **Reply #239 on:** November 18, 2009, 02:36:44 AM »

Anyone know what's going on with the large brick building just south of the Broadway Commons that is in the process of being torn down?

Johio · « **Reply #240 on:** November 18, 2009, 02:52:20 AM »

^I believe P&G is tearing it down to make room for more parking.

JoeL · « **Reply #241 on:** November 18, 2009, 03:00:31 AM »

^ Yup. It's a negative consequence of P&G moving an extra 700 workers from the 'burbs to downtown. Parking is going to get insane down there in January. A lot of P&Gers have been grumbing about this one for a few months now.

I can't even imagine what's going to happen during the Casino construction when even more hundreds of parking spaces will be temporarily displaced. Hopefully it won't promote the demolition of any non-protected buildings in the area. Parking pressure can lead to some really ludicrous decisions in terms of tearing down beautiful buildings.

TheHemroid · « **Reply #242 on:** November 18, 2009, 05:01:48 AM »

There's plenty of parking downtown. People just need to learn to walk an extra couple blocks.

Sherman Cahal · « **Reply #243 on:** November 18, 2009, 05:17:25 AM »

When you are talking about an additional 700 workers, there isn't.

DanB · « **Reply #244 on:** November 18, 2009, 05:19:32 AM »


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