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Cincinnati: Downtown: Smale Riverfront Park
« on: May 10, 2005, 06:20:33 PM »
Per today's Downtowner, the plans for the Central Riverfront park will be unveiled on Thursday May 12th.  The meeting is at 5:00 pm in the Pavilion Building of the Ted Berry Int'l Friendship Park.  I am definitely going to try to make it and will take as many pics of the renderings and plans as possible.  The article goes on to say that the plan is to start construction in 2007 and $4.7 million has already been raised.  If I remember correctly the construction cost I heard way back when was $70 million.
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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2005, 06:46:43 PM »
I wonder how it will be changed relative to the plan that's been on the Cincinnati website for an achingly long time:
http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/cityparks/pages/-4326-/

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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2005, 09:39:20 PM »
Ooo...exciting...I'd make it if I didn't have class...thanks for your pending reporterage!

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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2005, 10:14:43 PM »
Is this park something that will depend on those damn parking garages being built first?

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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2005, 01:14:25 AM »
No the park will lie in front of (i.e. closer to the river) than the garages.  The only thing that may require some of the garages being completed first is parking requirements in the Reds and Bengals leases.

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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2005, 08:24:14 AM »
So Covington is going to build a Libeskind-designed residential tower at the foot of the Roebling Bridge, and Cincinnati's laying sod?  Just kidding, I'm looking forward to seeing the plans for the park. Anything's gotta be better than the asphalt and garbage-strewn bank we have down there now.

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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2005, 08:49:41 AM »
^ Kendall I have to agree with you on that.  Although sadly while these renderings offer nothing spectacular, we all know even this modest project will not be completed to look like the first rendering.

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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2005, 09:52:00 AM »
How great would it be to live at ascent, and be able to walk to riverfront park.  Very cool.

I know they were talking about extending ground into the river.  They did this in Louisville, and their riverfront park is great.  Right out in the water.

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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2005, 11:57:53 AM »
this would be the greatest project for cincinnati to complete (in my opinion). but as we've seen, they could destroy it and take 10 years to do it. and in teh end, we'll just get yellow party lights hanging on strings.
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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2005, 07:15:19 AM »
Riverfront park to be a 'magnet'
$78M project would add fountains, gardens, trails

By Gregory Korte
Enquirer staff writer

The Cincinnati Park Board will unveil updated plans today for its most ambitious project ever: a $78 million park along the Ohio River that would open in 2008.

It's really dozens of attractions in one. The park would include water gardens, viewing terraces, promenades, playgrounds, flower gardens and a meadow.
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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2005, 10:55:18 AM »
Another article on the park..

Riverfront park to be a 'magnet'
$78M project would add fountains, gardens, trails

By Gregory Korte
Enquirer staff writer
 
The Cincinnati Park Board will unveil updated plans today for its most ambitious project ever: a $78 million park along the Ohio River that would open in 2008.

It's really dozens of attractions in one. The park would include water gardens, viewing terraces, promenades, playgrounds, flower gardens and a meadow.
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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2005, 12:10:12 PM »
It doesnt look like much but some grass.  I want a very formal park.
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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2005, 12:10:38 PM »
It would also be a great place for a huge Ferris wheel like in Chicago.
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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2005, 01:44:20 PM »
chicago gets millenium park.

we get grass.

sounds about right.

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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2005, 01:47:07 PM »
cant do much with a flood plain people
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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2005, 04:16:31 PM »
Can always could on CiNYC for great execution.

Anyway it is nice to see Queen City Square in the rendering!

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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2005, 04:19:20 PM »
a different looking queen city square
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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2005, 04:20:07 PM »
Isn't that too far east to be QCS?  And short?

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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2005, 04:33:53 PM »
yeah its a block off. obviously speculative version too. 
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« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2005, 06:21:40 PM »
OK, The_Cincinnati_Kid should be home by now typing up all the details and getting his pics in order. Right?

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« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2005, 07:56:41 PM »
Hopefully!
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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2005, 10:53:05 PM »
Cut me some slack man!  I just got home from a dinner with the wife.  Anyway, the meeting was pretty informative, they had reps from the Park Board, Sasaki, and the Army Corps of Engineers.  There are only a few major changes.  The biggest of which is the two small trapezoidal shaped blocks closest to the river and both stadiums are now going to contain development instead of park setting (between Main and Walnut, and Vine and Race, south of Ted Berry Way).  I thought  the reasons were pretty good:  First, originally this park was going to be set up to host all the big downtown events (Oktoberfest, Taste of Cincy, Chilifest, Party in the Park, etc.)  Through public input and other meetings, it was felt that keeping the events where they are is a better use.  The core downtown festivals work well in the streets and help retailers, and with all the improvements made to Bicentennial Commons and Sawyer Point in the last several years, the new park would just be duplicating the space.  Furthermore, at first glance the map looks like the entire block will be development similar to the rest of the Banks. This is not the case, the development is more geared toward maybe one or two restaurants on each block with expansive outdoor seating plazas.  Just south of the western one, they added a sweet circular overlook (see maps and renderings).

The other nice change was the water features located just south of the Freedom Center park.  This is where the retaining wall is and the elevation changes from near river level to second street level.  If you look at the pic with all the renderings, you can see several waterfall/cascading options, these will surround the entrance/exit of the Roebling bridge creating a kick ass gateway.  There is also a large water feature planned at the base of Main St.  The entire project also will widen the greenspace between GABP and the river and will accomodate two bike trails that will connect with the rest of the riverfront parks and eventually stretch to Lunken airport and the Loveland Bike Trail.











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Twain's Point (there are two more buildings under construction just past the U/C one with the white exterior, it looks as if that will fill this portion of the sight.  Props to Towne Properties for finally getting something done down there.  I also believe the buildings look much better in person, especially the massing, than the site plan showed.


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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2005, 11:04:16 PM »
Great to see the coverings of Fort Washington Way are still in the plan.  I think that is key to connecting the city back to the riverfront.  I know there has been several news articles indicating allotments of state and federal money for the development of the park, but I know it doesn't amount to 78 million.  Any idea what the financing gap is, how much in fed/state is allocated, and what we are going to need from the city/county to make this happen.  I guess the target date of 2007 to start doesn't give me any warm feelings.  It's just really disappointing that it's going to probably be another year and a half before any dirt is turned for the Banks or the park...

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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2005, 11:24:11 PM »
I can't wait until it's built.  I'll just ride my bike to the train station in downtown loveland and...

Oh that's right.  Well let's hope we build this.  Everytime I see something cool that's supposed to happen in Cincincinnati I temper my excitement with the words "light rail."  This would be great for the city, for sure.

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« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2005, 11:52:16 PM »
very nice indeed.  i was never aware that they were going to actually build on the coverings over fww...an awesome idea.  i just thought it was going to be additional greenspace.  also the thought of an eventual loveland bike trail connection is amazing. cannot wait to see some action
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« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2005, 12:40:31 AM »
if this is vision then call me blind.



i promise i'm not trying to be negative.  just thoroughly unimpressed.

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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2005, 08:02:08 AM »
Excitement, skepticism greet riverfront plan
Dozens of attractions would open in 2008

By Maggie Downs
Enquirer staff writer

Janet Evans lives, works and spends her free time downtown, so she's excited about the possibility of a $78 million park along the Ohio River.

But she's skeptical.

"Of course the city will finish this project. And then I'll take the subway there," she said, referring to Cincinnati's long-abandoned subway project.
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« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2005, 09:16:06 AM »
OK, The Cincinnati Kid, I was at the meeting. Who were you? I was the fella in the Detroit Tigers hat (also seen in the background of the Enquirer photo).

As for the design, it's not Millenium Park, but I like it. Besides, MP was many years late and way over budget, despite massive corporate sponsorship. It's also got problems with materials. I think that this space will be in some ways more striking than MP, owing to the sight-lines, and the river.

Back to Cincinnati, I dig all of the design changes and refinements. Some (obnoxious) lady at the meeting complained that the greenspace was being stripped away, both on the FWW caps, and in the southern blocks T_C_K mentioned. I applaud that move actually; we've already got great lawns over in Yeatman's and Sawyer. The decision to leave the events where they are is excellent.

I kept hearing in the comments, from that lady and others, a disturbing parochialism in the view that this somehow threatens downtown. That's just plain silly. Does Millenium Park in Chicago take activity away from Michigan Ave? Absurd.

The waterfalls bracketing the bridge will be great, and the Race street "pier" is excellent too. I've got close-up pics of those elements, if anyone would like to see them, I can try and figure out how to post pics.

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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2005, 09:29:49 AM »
Cincinnati Kid, you get lots of praise for getting us the personal scoop.  I hope they still plan on building condo's there.  That would be a great place to live, I can only imagine they would go for top dollar though.  Might be one of the most sought after condo's in the city.  You would have excitement every night.

BTW, cramer I had a feeling that was one of our forumers in that photo.  Nice cameo ;)

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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2005, 10:21:42 AM »
Cramer, I was sitting in the back row right in front of the sign-in table.  I have black hair and was wearing jeans and a light blue long-sleeve shirt.  I took most of my photos before the meeting, took about three right after everyone stood up, then bolted.  If you want me to host your photos, PM me and I will send you my email address.


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« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2005, 11:12:26 AM »
Thanks for the scoop, man.
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« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2005, 12:39:47 PM »
Yes, thanks Cincinnati Kid for all the detailed and pics. In the meeting did they say the FWW coverings are definite?

I do have a bit more info on Twain's Point. They had an open house on Mother's Day (hey it beats buying flowers). Only 8 left to sell out of 26 or so. They are selling in the 600K to 700K range. They plan another patch of condos further east and some cheaper condos near the firehouse (300K plus). The views are great especially from the third floor master bedroom, but the back of the units on right on top of Columbia Pkwy. The triple panel Pella windows do work, but once you open that back door . . . Also there isn't really an easy way to cross Eastern Ave to get to the Freedom Park. BTW, that last sculpture isn't up yet.
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« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2005, 01:53:38 PM »
They didn't really talk much about the FWW lids, just showed them on the diagrams and said they are part of the plan and the support footers are already in place.  My guess is that they will either be the last thing added or the first thing to go based on the budget (as much as I think they are an integral part of the connection).
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« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2005, 08:38:49 PM »
I like this proposal alot. I like the "great lawn" idea with its openness to the river and unobstructed views. I hope they dont put too many trees like I sometimes feel there is in Sawyer Point, I almost feel trapped sometimes there. As far as the comparisens to Millenium Park, I think it's actually better than M.P. if done like the blueprint calls for.  While seeing a concert at MP could be cool there really isnt a whole lot else to do there and it feels too orderly to really be able to play on, almost like you're affraid to mess up the grass.  There isn't a lot of retail or restaurants right near the park, you have to go north a little bit to reach those. The public art is very nice there though so I hope that is in the Plan for the central riverfront park here too. Oh yeah...it would be nice if the river was actually blue like it is in all the rednerings...instead we're stuck with the "shit brown" color.

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« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2005, 08:53:14 PM »
The missing link is the one between this park and Yeatmans Cove/Sawyer Point......if I was desgining it I would really focus on that connection or try to "make the connection" somehow....

OK, not super avant garde, but they have some intimate spaces in it based on the sketches...also, interesting a how they break from the formal allee to a "savannah" informal woodland transition to the lawn..

...not quite the "Grant Park" solution, but they still keep the "urban front yard concept"

I just think the opportunity to connect this park with the other riverfront parks to the east was lost...

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