Author Topic: Cleveland: Cleveland Clinic Developments (University Circle) (Read 73627 times)

TBideon · « **Reply #595 on:** January 23, 2012, 02:51:51 AM »

It certainly is a stark contrast to the endless, toothless lakefront and public square plans. When the Clinic says they're going to build, they're going to build.

StrapHanger · « **Reply #596 on:** January 23, 2012, 03:28:25 AM »

It's not a total surprise, but I'm pleased that the plan is more disciplined with open space. There's much more building density around vigorously defined spaces rather than the utterly wasteful and aimless use of land that Cole exemplified.

I'm totally OK with future buildings long Carnegie having a modest landscaped setback. That stretch really is pretty bleak in in its current form, and given the lack of transit and parking lanes and the high volume of traffic, nothing else is likely to improve it. But for Euclid, it really would be swell if the Clinic did just a few modest things to add some activity to the public ROW. On the bright side, nothing in this plan really prevents that from happening some day.

Htsguy · « **Reply #597 on:** January 23, 2012, 03:40:04 AM »

A lot to digest...one thing I am happy to see it that the plan is to deal with that parking lot between Crile and E 105 sooner (some time in the next two years) rather than later. I hope the greening of this space includes (obviously it will) removal of all that hideous chain link fencing. This lot is a real embarrassment given it's prominent location.

I like the idea of a "mall" in this area and always thought it would be nice to frame such a space with a building on E. 105 in line with Crile, with a huge (3-4 stories) archway as a entrance to the mall.

surfohio · « **Reply #598 on:** January 23, 2012, 04:24:01 AM »

On the one hand, I really appreciate how the Clinic tries to factor in inspiration and patients' emotional needs into their architecture.

On the other hand, to me it's obvious that those churches can be used in a creative way to further those same goals. They offer a beauty and serenity that just cannot be duplicated.

When they are lost, they are lost forever.

mjarboe · « **Reply #599 on:** January 23, 2012, 04:28:36 AM »

Hi all. I hope it's not poor form to post a link to one of my own stories here, but it seems pertinent to this discussion to mention that the PD ran a separate article about the Euclid Avenue Church of God and the Church of the Transfiguration today: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/01/historic_churches_near_clevela.html

updown · « **Reply #600 on:** January 23, 2012, 04:52:11 AM »

Quote from: Htsguy on January 23, 2012, 03:40:04 AM

A lot to digest...one thing I am happy to see it that the plan is to deal with that parking lot between Crile and E 105 sooner (some time in the next two years) rather than later. I hope the greening of this space includes (obviously it will) removal of all that hideous chain link fencing. This lot is a real embarrassment given it's prominent location.

Good point. That are certainly many areas that are more conducive to future development (ie. banal surface lots). I think what needs to be emphasized is that the current master plan is more of "conceptual" plan rather than an articulated, "practical" plan. A lot of areas are not addressed.

A few thoughts.
The CC has to balance contrasting elements; approachability/containment, urban/convenient, inviting/sterile, and even, historic/modern. I think that right now, the Clinic's biggest success has been the cohesiveness from their recently built buildings. Hopefully that leads to a more defined "campus" instead of the sprawling hodge-podge we have now. Marking the perimeter/entries and providing definition to the CC would help.

In general, I am a fan of building up to the ROW and incorporating perimeter landscape elements as they seem to be doing. These gestures are urban and approachable and convey the right aesthetic. I hope subsequent efforts can add cohesion and continue to add successful green spaces throughout the campus.

X · « **Reply #601 on:** January 23, 2012, 06:55:05 AM »

Quote from: mjarboe on January 23, 2012, 04:28:36 AM

Hi all. I hope it's not poor form to post a link to one of my own stories here, but it seems pertinent to this discussion to mention that the PD ran a separate article about the Euclid Avenue Church of God and the Church of the Transfiguration today: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/01/historic_churches_near_clevela.html

Not poor form at all. Thank you for the link.

surfohio · « **Reply #602 on:** January 23, 2012, 09:14:20 AM »

You may be happy to know I read the PRINT version of your article!

Quote from: mjarboe on January 23, 2012, 04:28:36 AM

Hi all. I hope it's not poor form to post a link to one of my own stories here, but it seems pertinent to this discussion to mention that the PD ran a separate article about the Euclid Avenue Church of God and the Church of the Transfiguration today: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/01/historic_churches_near_clevela.html

mjarboe · « **Reply #603 on:** January 24, 2012, 04:18:26 AM »

Quote from: surfohio on January 23, 2012, 09:14:20 AM

You may be happy to know I read the PRINT version of your article!

Egad! (And thanks!)

MuRrAy HiLL · « **Reply #604 on:** February 19, 2012, 02:42:08 AM »

The one story U.S. Bank building seems to be getting demolished (9701 Euclid Avenue, Cleveland, OH)

Praise Jesus if this is true!

Flee2theCleve · « **Reply #605 on:** February 19, 2012, 05:11:08 AM »

For what I wonder

ClevelandOhio · « **Reply #606 on:** February 19, 2012, 05:18:22 AM »

Quote from: MuRrAy HiLL on February 19, 2012, 02:42:08 AM

The one story U.S. Bank building seems to be getting demolished (9701 Euclid Avenue, Cleveland, OH)

Praise Jesus if this is true!

I sure hope so! Thanks for sharing

heightsfan · « **Reply #607 on:** February 20, 2012, 01:32:16 AM »

Quote from: MuRrAy HiLL on February 19, 2012, 02:42:08 AM

The one story U.S. Bank building seems to be getting demolished (9701 Euclid Avenue, Cleveland, OH)

Praise Jesus if this is true!

Praise Jesus (so long as it's not for more surface parking)

originaljbw · « **Reply #608 on:** February 20, 2012, 03:33:21 AM »

Waaaay upthread there is the images of the clinic master plan from 2006 or so. The original plan was to redevelop the whole block to be a near mirror image of the block immediately west across the rock reflecting pools. The whole bank crisis set back those plans a few years; it's a matter of securing financing.

In the near term it will probably be parking. As someone who parks on the roof of the super garage on 89th and Carnegie, I'm fine with that. If you were the Cleveland Clinic and you were 3-5 years from redeveloping the block... What would you do?

Htsguy · « **Reply #609 on:** February 20, 2012, 03:48:42 AM »

^Yes I would definitely mar Euclid with new surface parking for 3-5 years (which of course will turn into 5-10 years).

originaljbw · « **Reply #610 on:** February 20, 2012, 04:07:50 AM »

Surface parking for 3-5 years or a boarded up US bank branch with a Strongsville setback for 3-5 years? If you think the Clinic does a poor job of addressing Euclid, look at how Metro treats w25th; arguably the major north south corridor on the near west side.

Oddly enough, the Cleveland Clinic puts a link to their official master plan on their website, but you have to contact them to get the password...
http://portals.clevelandclinic.org/ocm/BuildingInformation/tabid/2634/Default.

From the Plain Dealer article.

MuRrAy HiLL · « **Reply #611 on:** February 22, 2012, 03:27:55 PM »

The one story U.S. Bank branch (9701 Euclid Avenue, Cleveland, OH) is no more. It was demolished today.

w28th · « **Reply #612 on:** February 23, 2012, 02:12:20 AM »

Can't think of a more worthless "master plan" than the one Norman Foster has produced for the clinic...

KJP · « **Reply #613 on:** February 23, 2012, 02:16:31 AM »

Quote from: w28th on February 23, 2012, 02:12:20 AM

Can't think of a more worthless "master plan" than the one Norman Foster has produced for the clinic...

I'll bet if you lock 50 architects in the same room together for more than two hours, none will come out alive.

baseballmn907 · « **Reply #614 on:** February 23, 2012, 02:19:42 AM »

^ Why do you say that?

KJP · « **Reply #615 on:** February 23, 2012, 02:24:16 AM »

Because architects are extremely critical of other architects (w28th is an architect). I was a judge at an architectural school contest where they were designing train stations (the rail component was the only reason why I was a judge) and I was shocked at how brutal these architects were to these students. And I thought brutalism was just a style!

jborger · « **Reply #616 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:56:09 AM »

Quote from: KJP on February 23, 2012, 02:24:16 AM

And I thought brutalism was just a style!

Hey-o!

Scav · « **Reply #617 on:** February 23, 2012, 09:09:19 AM »

HAHA KJP that is both funny and sad. I am a graduate architecture student, and so I understand what you experienced. A lot of that difference has to do with whoever the critic is. Some are much more harsh than others.. kind of like coaches.

In regards to the Norman Foster plan, I am extremely underwhelmed. It is also hard to judge, because I imagine there is a lot more to see that we cannot see from the PeeDee article. The "grand allee" has been done before, it will work just fine for what they need. Looking at the lineup the Clinic has gotten lately, and their continued investment in good productive space, I see a great future ahead with their campus.

Pugu · « **Reply #618 on:** March 01, 2012, 01:12:16 AM »

"Dr. Cosgrove unveiled plans to create an addition to the Clinic's Taussig Cancer Institute on its main campus, which has outgrown its current space off Euclid Avenue. Likewise, the system plans to also construct a new building for its neurological center. "

http://www.crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120229/FREE/120229802

Clevecane · « **Reply #619 on:** March 01, 2012, 04:55:06 AM »

I always loved passing the Cleveland Clinic building in Weston when I lived down there, it reminded me of home. I'm glad to hear they're committed to both here and abroad, maybe we can regain 3rd best hospital or better!

originaljbw · « **Reply #620 on:** March 15, 2012, 07:27:15 AM »

It was posted today that the Chester lots will soon be closing for construction. It looks like the area behind the defunked B of A (possibly including that space as well) will soon cease to be a surface lot.

3231 · « **Reply #621 on:** March 16, 2012, 01:26:23 AM »

Quote from: originaljbw on March 15, 2012, 07:27:15 AM

It was posted today that the Chester lots will soon be closing for construction. It looks like the area behind the defunked B of A (possibly including that space as well) will soon cease to be a surface lot.

What is "defunked B of A"?

Loretto · « **Reply #622 on:** March 16, 2012, 01:35:04 AM »

Defunct Bank of America I think.

Htsguy · « **Reply #623 on:** March 16, 2012, 03:11:37 AM »

So what are they allegedly building? I know they announced a bunch of projects for the future but I was not aware that anything was that close to groundbreaking.

originaljbw · « **Reply #624 on:** March 16, 2012, 07:44:09 AM »

Upon getting a copy of the memo to read:

Quote

On Friday, April 6th, spaces on the south side of the Chester Lot will close for construction. Thus will eventually create more available parking fir those assigned to te lot. The last day you will be able to park in this area is April 5th. Only the north section of the lot will be available beginning friday....

MuRrAy HiLL · « **Reply #625 on:** May 17, 2012, 04:04:40 PM »

New laboratory is open for business

Cleveland Clinic's recently opened $75 million medical testing lab already on path for expansion
Published: Thursday, May 17, 2012, 5:00 AM
Ellen Kleinerman, The Plain Dealer By Ellen Kleinerman, The Plain Dealer

CLEVELAND, Ohio — The Cleveland Clinic opened its new $75 million state-of-the-art medical testing laboratory four months ago and already the building is poised for change.

"The lab of today is not going to be the lab of five or 10 years from now," said Dr. Kandice Kottke-Marchant, chair of the Pathology and Laboratory Medicine Institute. "We built this with expansion and flexibility in mind."

The new 135,000-square-foot "LL Building" sits on the eastern edge of the Clinic's downtown campus, at the corner of Carnegie Avenue and East 105th Street in Cleveland. It houses the largest-volume hospital lab in Ohio and the 15th largest in the U.S. Systemwide, Clinic labs perform about 20 million tests annually.

The LL Building doubles the Clinic's laboratory footprint. It operates 24-hours a day, seven days a week and has the capability to perform 2,400 different types of tests including advance molecular pathology, microbiologic, molecular, genomic, DNA testing and more. In comparison, some of the larger labs nationwide offer around 500 unique tests.

http://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2012/05/cleveland_clinic_opens_new_lab.html

Clueless,Ohio · « **Reply #626 on:** July 15, 2012, 11:49:43 AM »

I see that Segelin's Florist is moving from 105th & Carnegie to the Tudor Arms Hotel down the street. They're having a moving sale inside the last Art Deco-inspired building, albeit a small one, around that immediate area. Of course, everyone knows the OCPM Bldg and the Physicians and Surgeons Bldg have already been razed. Makes me worried that this remnant of the 4-corner intersection is on its way out.
Pictures from a few weeks ago behind and beyond this intersection... I think this is surface parking lot musical-chairs in order to create the "green spine" that I remember reading about this past winter. Too lazy right now to google. Somebody more knowledgeable out there on CCF, perhaps?
Last picture is of the new huge surface lot on Euclid Ave...

Klingaling87 · « **Reply #627 on:** July 15, 2012, 12:12:41 PM »

Clueless - I actually work for a CM firm and have been at the Clinic for 4.5 years doing work and am still stationed there. You're right about the parking lot. They are continuing the mall that borders Glickman Tower and the Intercontinental Hotel through the Crile building (pyramid looking bldg) to 105th. I heard a rumbling last week that the CC bldg (building with the florist) could be coming down soon but I don't know how true that is. As for the immediate future, I know they are looking to build a Neurological building (couple hundred million dollars) and a cancer bed tower (hundred million or so). To my knowledge, those buildings will be on already vacant land on main campus. The neurological building is going through programming so we may know more in 6-12 months.

That's all the insight I have, other than interior renovations...which more than likely don't interest people on here.

Clueless,Ohio · « **Reply #628 on:** July 15, 2012, 12:41:53 PM »

^Thanks for the info!
Some of it isnt the news I wanted to hear but I understand that hospitals/science-tech places need state-of-the-art buildings.
But all of these lawns, and "green"ery, and setbacks...that's what makes my stomach turn a bit. And tearing down historic things to get there...

originaljbw · « **Reply #629 on:** July 17, 2012, 05:16:06 AM »

Wanna see what the Clinic looks like when they build up to the street? Look at Carnegie between 89th and 100th. ZERO doors opening on to the street and two long blocks with no pedestrian presence and dark tinted windows.

I know, I know, I know the Crile Building, the Walker Building, and the whole 105th and Euclid to Carnegie intersections are horrible. That stuff was all built in the 80's and early 90's and does not accurately reflect the attitudes of the Cleveland Clinic today. Most everything built under the Cosgrove administration has been reasonably close to the street with a greater emphasis on ground floor entrances and fewer skywalks.

I'm sure the Clinic would love nothing more then to be handed a billion dollars and told to build research/offices/patient rooms out the wazoo on the 105/Carnegie intersection, anyone care to ante up?

News:

Author Topic: Cleveland: Cleveland Clinic Developments (University Circle) (Read 73627 times)