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Honestly, might as well have some actual facts as opposed to "feelings" and perceptions. Here's the latest Downtown Cincinnati polling, which covers perceptions in the region of downtown and OTR: http://www.downtowncincinnati.com/Libraries/DCI_Publications/2012_Perceptions_Survey.sflb.ashxI didn't see Cincinnati on any "10 most dangerous cities" lists or anything like that when the latest FBI statistics came out, either. http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/02/16/the-11-most-dangerous-citiesI can't find any really recent articles--I suspect there will be more coming for year-end--but as of August 30, the overall crime rate in the city was down 7%, and the murder rate had dropped 27% year over year: http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/local_news/dramatic-drop-in-cincinnati-murder-rateAs I said before, any crime is too much crime. But I don't think either public opinion or the statistics themselves are backing up your position. If you want to say that YOU feel unsafe in Cincinnati, that's fine--but that's your opinion, and you should expect that those who disagree with it will respond.
I'm glad you were here last summer and so know the streets better than I. I live in Over the Rhine and walk the streets to and from work every day and Findlay Market every week, but I don't doubt your visit last summer lets you have your finger on the pulse. I have no idea what being born and rasied here has to do with anything; I've been here 20 years now, more than half of my life. Yes, the 2000s were worse. At some point you have to let go of what you thought a decade ago and actually look at what is going on around you. By your logic, no one should ever go to New York, because in the 1970s it was extremely violent and there was rampant street crime (prostitution, etc.) everywhere. I think your last paragraph speaks volumes. I get that you live in Europe (since you've only mentioned it on this board about 100 times). I do realize that American cities are more violent than European cities (I don't agree with your "internationally" statement; there are many, many cities in Latin/South America and Africa that are far more violent than US cities). But perhaps you should compare Cincinnati with other American cities when evaluating it. And maybe look at Cincinnati as it is today, not as it was in 2001. And I think you'd get a lot farther in these discussions if you didn't patronize every single person who responds to you.
Growing up in Cincinnati in a low income household, being in all kinds of neighborhoods and seeing all kinds of things, you know the city more intimately than someone from out-of town. If you're a Cincinnati kid from a low-income household, your understanding of the city is going to be different than that of someone who is choosing to put themselves in a position of weakness because they have the finance to survive it, i.e. moving to a bad neighborhood without income being the deciding factor.
Quote from: City Blights on December 15, 2012, 04:49:28 AMGrowing up in Cincinnati in a low income household, being in all kinds of neighborhoods and seeing all kinds of things, you know the city more intimately than someone from out-of town. If you're a Cincinnati kid from a low-income household, your understanding of the city is going to be different than that of someone who is choosing to put themselves in a position of weakness because they have the finance to survive it, i.e. moving to a bad neighborhood without income being the deciding factor.No- you know your part of the City more intimately. There's no one lifestyle or experience that gives you the best, most authentic knowledge on ALL lifestyles and experiences. Growing up poor is difficult and tragic, but growing up poor in Cincinnati is hardly any different than growing up poor in Cleveland, St. Louis, Kansas City, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, etc. In fact, it might be better than in some of those communities and surely, it might be worse than in a couple others. There's being poor in Bond Hill, but then there's being poor in Covington and being poor in South Fairmount or Fay Apartments. All of THOSE are different even within the same area. Everything is different everywhere always, and yet in many places it's also pretty similar (genius, i know). You had crappy experiences in Cincinnati and so your view of Cincinnati is that it leans towards those crappy experiences. That is how the human mind works, feelings are tied to a location and the experiences that happened in that location. Cincinnati is not even in the top 25 cities in america for crime. Crime is dropping dramatically, with a 16% drop in violent crime in the last two years and a 10% drop in property crime in the last two years. To say we're anything like a third world country is over the top. Are there pockets of people who live a criminal lifestyle? absolutely. But you also complain we have too many police or something to that effect. I do agree that the spike in crime between 2003 and 2007 did impact some peoples perceptions of the streetcar. But many of people are against it for its dollar amount, because it's rail, because it's downtown and downtown gets all the attention, because its not in my backyard (reverse NIMBYism), etc.
Clifton has exceptionally low crime... if you were referring to Clifton Heights or CUF, you've certainly done yourself a disservice in this argument. While you may be "born and raised" Cincinnati, I think that also gives you the unique perspective of having been taught throughout much of your youth that Cincinnati is a can't-do place, is failing, and is better left for dead. Out of curiosity, in what part of Cincinnati were you born and raised?
Where did you see me display a defeated attitude about Cincinnati, or anything for that matter?Raised in Avondale and Bond Hill. I'm an Uptown kid.
STARS reports are great...every city should have them:http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/police/crime-statistics/As of 3/16 there were 12.In 2012 on that date, there were 8.In 2011, 13.If OC's 13 is right, and no more happen before Monday, we'll be on pace to have 52 for the year.
I believe it is 13. I also am fairly sure all or all but 1 have been african americans, the vast majority being young men.