Topic: Cincinnati: Clifton Neighborhood Developments

[mcadrenaline]

As with all other urban grocery related things in this city, I'll believe it when I see it. This project has been stalled several times. I hope it's for real this time.

[The_Cincinnati_Kid]

This sounds really alarmist, I don't think it will hamper the deal any, just a few extra hoops.

Goessling says Clifton IGA deal in flux
6:00 PM, Sep. 27, 2012
Written by Laura Baverman



CLIFTON — The man who plans to open a grocery store in the old Clifton IGA says the City of Cincinnati failed to make good on a commitment to loan $550,000 to the $3.7 million renovation project.

Steve Goessling, who owns three regional IGA stores and bought the Ludlow Avenue building more than a year ago, is planning an 11 a.m. press conference Friday to rally Clifton residents and petition City Council to immediately approve the loan so construction can begin.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120927/BIZ/309270150/Clifton-IGA-deal-flux?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

[Quimbob]

Maybe if Goessling's had a shadier past....
Comparing this to the Mahogany's deal is really frustrating. Is race a factor? Sex?
Maybe if Mrs Goessling asked for the loan....

[City Blights]

^ We all know the Mahoghany's financing fiasco will never die because it's minority owned.  People making the comparison is more frustrating than this over-publicized hiccup.  When will Cincinnati start to spend time discussing important things, like how much a municipal light-rail network would cost if placed on the ballot for November 2013?

[mcadrenaline]

Maybe if Mrs Goessling asked for the loan....

hahaha

[The_Cincinnati_Kid]

City: Loan deal for IGA close
Goessling meets with development officials
8:42 PM, Sep. 28, 2012
Written by Laura Baverman

CLIFTON — The city of Cincinnati says it’s still committed to helping developer Steve Goessling reopen a grocery store on Ludlow Avenue.

Goessling, the owner of three regional IGA stores, claimed Thursday that the city unexpectedly changed terms of a $550,000 loan it had offered in June, delaying the store’s planned $3.7 million renovation.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120928/BIZ/309280172&Ref=AR

[bmod]

anything on the short vine development? by staggerlees n domino's where the school was knocked down?? i know one development already failed there or was at least pushed back to whats going up now

[bmod]

i know its a resi building but thats ab it...

[jmecklenborg]

The first floor steel is up for the apartment complex on Short Vine with elevator/stairwell shafts approaching full height.  The other new building on Short Vine is now occupied (immediately next to Staggerlie's) and the complex on Euclid is finished and occupied. 

[Rob Jaques]

Short Vine is Corryville and this project is in another thread.

[OTR]

Does anyone have a detailed (like street by street) map of the neighborhood boundaries in/around Clifton?

[natininja]

Short Vine is Corryville and this project is in another thread.

Thank you. +9001

Does anyone have a detailed (like street by street) map of the neighborhood boundaries in/around Clifton?

I remember posting some boundaries in another thread. (Specifically those with relation to Clifton/Heights/CUF/Corryville.) Can't remember where I found them, or if they had streets, but you could kind of figure out the street boundaries regardless.

If anyone has the boundaries in a GIS format, I would love to have those...

[Rob Jaques]

Essentially, main campus and the area south and west of campus are CUF (Clifton Heights to the south, University Heights to the west, and Fairview to the southwest). The area East of campus is Corryville. East Campus is in Avondale. Burnet Woods and North is pretty much all Clifton.

[natininja]

This might help some.


via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUF,_Cincinnati

I think when Jefferson becomes W Nixon, you exit Clifton. If not right there, then right around there. That's possibly the most confusing border crossing, especially since it is also where Avondale and Corryville connect.

[ryanlammi]

Google Maps does a pretty good job of defining neighborhood boundaries. It doesn't really understand what The Heights is and it thinks you are referencing CUF (whose neighborhood boundaries are posted above).

Clifton:


Corryville:

[natininja]

Ok so I guess Clifton goes all the way to Vine on W. Nixon. That simplifies things, assuming it's right. Puts the whole block of Nixon/Bishop/MLK/Vine in Clifton. I'm pretty sure all of Burnet Woods is in Clifton, though, which puts that map into a little bit of doubt.

[ProkNo5]

I'm so confused.  There's a sign at Bishop and Jefferson that says Welcome to Corryville, yet every map I see has the boundaries posted above.  Did that border change at some point?

[mcmicken]

^
Community councils are allowed to set their own boundaries, which may not match the official designation by the city.

[ryanlammi]

Here is a map on Clifton's website showing the boundary: http://www.cliftoncommunity.org/Documents/cliftonmap.pdf

The only discrepancies I see are the NE corner of the neighborhood as well as the SE corner. These are Mitchell Avenue/Vine Street Hill Cemetery and Burnet Woods/Good Sam and Hebrew Union College. The map on Clifton's website is from 2008. Not sure if the neighborhood boundaries have slightly changed since then or if the Google boundaries are incorrect.

Google Maps:


Clifton's Website:

[natininja]

I think Google is wrong.

And I guess I was wrong, thinking Fries' is in Clifton.

[The_Cincinnati_Kid]

Gaslight Market aims for April opening
Clifton grocery gets final loan approval
7:21 PM, Dec 31, 2012   

Clifton could get its grocery store back by the end of April.

Steve Goessling, owner of the former Keller’s IGA on Ludlow, said Monday that he has received final approval on the construction loan for the $4.1 million project, and closing is tentatively scheduled for Jan. 9.

“Now the real work will begin,” he said.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20121231/BIZ/312310104/Gaslight-Market-aims-April-opening

[subocincy]

^  Promises, promises, promises!  (Deja vu.)  At this late date, the only way that such press releases can be taken seriously is the moment when the "Gaslight Market" opens its doors and shoppers actually enter.   

[ryanlammi]

Clifton could get its grocery store back by the end of April.

Steve Goessling, owner of the former Keller’s IGA on Ludlow, said Monday that he has received final approval on the construction loan for the $4.1 million project, and closing is tentatively scheduled for Jan. 9.

“Now the real work will begin,” he said.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20121231/BIZ/312310104/Gaslight-Market-aims-April-opening

Clifton Gaslight Market gets final go ahead

he encountered several delays in lining up funding for the $4.1 million renovation. The $1.89 million construction loan from Fifth Third, expected to be finalized three weeks ago, was the final piece of the puzzle.

“Hallelujah,” Goessling said after Thursday’s closing.

He said he needs to consult with general contractor Reece-Campbell Inc. before announcing an opening date, but he hopes work can start next week.

Deja vu al over again

[Blue Line]

I moved from a building near Clifton and Ludlow, eights months after Keller's IGA closed.
Then I moved from Bishop Street one year later.
Now I live in Clifton Heights, two years after the grocery store closed.

At some point, you just lost interest, and the empty promises mean nothing to you. As crappy as most people say it is, a grocery store is a grocery store, and I like being able to walk to the University Plaza Kroger. Between that Kroger and Findlay Market, I can get anything I *need*. Unlike an unfortunate conversation I had with someone, a few months back, who was angry because the OTR Kroger didn't carry *refrigerated* pickles. First world problems.

[natininja]

I moved from a building near Clifton and Ludlow, eights months after Keller's IGA closed.
Then I moved from Bishop Street one year later.
Now I live in Clifton Heights, two years after the grocery store closed.

At some point, you just lost interest, and the empty promises mean nothing to you.

Makes perfect sense to me! This has been an unmitigated disaster for the Clifton neighborhood.

[The_Cincinnati_Kid]

Feb 8, 2013, 7:38am EST
Renovation of former Keller’s IGA to start next week
Staff Business Courier

Construction on the former Keller’s IGA will finally begin next week, wcpo.com reported.

The new store, Goessling’s Market-Clifton, will start with construction of a new roof and interior as early as Monday. The store’s reopening was originally scheduled for January 2013, but was delayed because of issues with getting an approved loan from the city while they worked with the Grow America Fund to get the money.

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/morning_call/2013/02/renovation-of-former-kellers-iga-to.html

[mcadrenaline]

At this point though, I'd be concerned that his customers have found other places to shop, albeit less convenient places maybe. One of the major selling points to reopen this grocery is that fact that there are so many elderly/carless/etc in this area. All those people have found new places to shop over the past 2+ years and have made it work. What is Goessling going to do to win these customers back? Surely he cannot compete on price with the Kroger/ALDI/Walmart etc where former patrons of this store are now going. Perhaps people have seen that getting on a bus or carpooling down the street to Kroger is not as big a deal as they once thought.

Furthermore, I have to be skeptical of the business savvy of the Goessling group. They come in knowing how difficult the lending environment is right now yet still continue to make all these specific promises and sharing their timeline with the public, both huge mistakes. Clearly they have never heard of under-promising and over-delivering. How does this kind of impulsive decision-making translate into the day-to-day operation of the business? That remains to be seen.

And this guy has the nerve to talk about how he is interested in opening a location DT or in OTR.....ooooookay, buddy.

[el double u]

I currently shop in the Corryville Kroger or at a Kroger close to where I work in Montgomery.  Once this new store opens, I don't plan on going anywhere else.  From where I live, I have to drive to Kroger anyways and would be more than willing to add three minutes to the trip to go to a nice grocery store.  Kroghetto just doesn't cut it.

[GCrites80s]

Plus, there's new people moving in all the time because of UC.

[Quimbob]

Steve Goessling Update on Clifton Store

[Quimbob]

The same company, Reece Campbell, that's remodeling the IGA is remodeling a nearby Kroger (on Kenard). Wonder if that has anything to do with delays.....

[taestell]

Furthermore, I have to be skeptical of the business savvy of the Goessling group. They come in knowing how difficult the lending environment is right now yet still continue to make all these specific promises and sharing their timeline with the public, both huge mistakes. Clearly they have never heard of under-promising and over-delivering. How does this kind of impulsive decision-making translate into the day-to-day operation of the business? That remains to be seen.

And this guy has the nerve to talk about how he is interested in opening a location DT or in OTR.....ooooookay, buddy.

Yep... I've heard numerous people blame the city for the delays... but it seems like Goessling's business savvy is definitely questionable. They probably could have re-opened the store as-is, but instead they are renovating/redesigning the store to make it a little more like a Trader Joes/Whole Foods/Fresh Fare.

[ryanlammi]

Work starts on Clifton grocery

Construction to turn the old Clifton IGA into a new neighborhood grocery store is under way after many months of delays.

Reece-Campbell workers began demolition this morning on the roof of the 29,000-square-foot Ludlow Avenue building and will put on a new one as soon as that’s done, project manager Mike Ruwe said

[ryanlammi]

Anyone know why the parcel at the corner of Jefferson and Bishop isn't a dog park by now? I don't think there is a single enclosed dog park in all of Uptown and this spot is owned by Cincinnati and never appears to be utilized as park space. I bet people would love to walk over there and let their dog off the leash for a bit. Does anyone know of any dog parks in Uptown?