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^You sure you weren't in Mt. Adams?
Yeah but somehow the poser has been elevated above the authentic artist or fan. The fuss necessary to assemble all the knowlege of a critic but then rather than writing a critique for a publication simply wearing stupid clothes and copping an attitude is in fact the art.
Quote from: ryanlammi on November 20, 2012, 08:01:31 PM^You sure you weren't in Mt. Adams?Mt. Adams = OTR. There really isn't much hipster left south of about 13th street on a weekend. That story sounds like quite the bro-fest.
Quote from: jmecklenborg on November 21, 2012, 12:26:56 PMYeah but somehow the poser has been elevated above the authentic artist or fan. The fuss necessary to assemble all the knowlege of a critic but then rather than writing a critique for a publication simply wearing stupid clothes and copping an attitude is in fact the art. This is true. We live in a culture where poser is more respectable (in some circles) than having real talent. This crosses across a lot of mediums.
So that I can better understand you're answer, where do you get this information? Hipsters live in choice neighborhoods? What is your definition of a choice neighborhood? retire before 30?? Hell, before you can retire you need to have a job!Mission District, which has become one of the most expensive/competitive places for housing in the United States. You don't need a job if you have a trust fund and a good portfolio manager. I didn't think the retired under 30 crowd existed, but lord it does!I doubt most Midwestern hipsters live in choice neighborhoods (outside Chicago's Wicker Park), at least not in big numbers. Though does OTR have a good number of hipsters? That's a choice neighborhood by Ohio standards. Cincinnati is the next Oakland.
I have a lot of problems whenever I go to hipster venues. People come up and start getting in my face, and girls act ridiculous around me. Just last weekend at a terrible hipster bar, a girl interrupted me while I was talking to another girl, called me an asshole, and then started flirting with me. Only hipsters do this crap. I guess being the only masculine guy in the bar throws them off.Her hipster guy friend comes up to me after a big argument with her that ended in a slapping match (she was clearly getting off on this like 50 Shades of Grey), and says "she just needs to get laid." Hipster game is terrible. It does more to turn you off than anything else.
^San Francisco hipsters are a very different breed. A housing shortage and skyrocketing rent creates a very different dynamic. The average rent for an apartment in San Francisco's Mission District is nearly $3,000 a month and rising fast. These are wealthier, more cut-throat hipsters and you're starting to see it in the bars. I've noticed a change just in the past six months. The tech boom is creating a lot of fast money, and you need real money to live in the Mission if you're coming from out of state. This isn't a place for paycheck-to-paycheck people. How many working class people can afford that rent?http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2012/05/14/the_bad_news_as_suspected_rental_rates_have_increased_dramatically_over_the_past_year.phpChicago seems much lower-key, and probably less douchey. I don't know enough Chicago hipsters to have a good sample size, but the ones I have met have been OK...not people I'd drink with, but certainly not people I'd get in a fight with.
OTR is a "choice" neighborhood? Cincinnati is the next Oakland? What are you smoking and where do you get this information? Forbes??Hey, the Forbes hipster list was accurate. It's no Businessweek, but that magazine does a lot of good work!
Speaking from personal experience?? This methodology is flawed as they do not include square footage or bedrooms. Nor the number of occupants in each unit.Like most cities, people who are not earning a lot of money, tend to have roommates so they can live in suppossed/alleged hip neighborhoods, because they cannot afford to live alone.Talk to people who live there, talk to brokers, and talk to real estate agents. I don't know anyone in SF who lives by themselves anymore. People are paying $1000 a month to rent living room couches in the Mission. Those numbers are extremely low now (that was Q1 2012, which was before the big spike last summer). Listing prices are base prices. Bidding takes place since it's so competitive in SF. A 2-bd listed at $3000 a month can easily end up $4000-$6000 a month after open houses with hundreds of applicants. The summer was a bloodbath, and every one of these neighborhoods is much higher than this now. Open bedrooms in four-bedroom places are now being listed around $1500 a piece (and this is college-style shared living at best), and landlords lie about places being in the Mission (some as far as two miles away) since it's that desirable to these kids. It's worse than Noe Valley now, and pushing Castro territory:http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/3385194936.htmlhttp://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/3405697658.htmlhttp://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/3422229487.html (not even in the Mission)http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/3412113255.htmlhttp://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/3426306302.htmlhttp://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/3427597300.htmlhttp://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/3421787894.html (not even in the Mission)http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/3423773196.htmlhttp://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/3414893939.htmlhttp://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/3410111883.htmlhttp://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/3429769496.html (seven bedrooms and still insane)http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/3414918853.htmlhttp://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/3423505486.htmlYou think you can rent there without money? It doesn't matter how many roommates these kids have, they're still paying out the teeth. That listing for seven bedrooms still had each occupant paying over $1200 a month. And of course, the best way to make money in SF is to rent to hipsters in the Mission! Some hipsters do have a ton of money, whether from a huge inheritance, trust fund, smart investment in a start-up, early equity from facebook, etc., etc. It's certainly possible to retire by 30 if you get lucky and play the cards right. That's kind of the Bay Area dream. This is the land of fast money.*This has spilled over into Oakland now which is rapidly gentrifying and will be unrecognizable in five years. Things change fast in the Bay, much faster than in other metro areas:http://www.sfgate.com/realestate/article/Rents-rise-in-S-F-Oakland-San-Jose-3961019.phpCincinnati is the next Oakland 2008, before the big social media boom. It of course won't heat up like Oakland 2012.
I bet you ♣ baby seals.
Hunting game...ironically:Hipsters Who HuntI think the evolution of the new lefty urban hunter goes something like this:2006: Reads Michael Pollan’s The Omnivore’s Dilemma, about the ickyness of the industrial food complex. Starts shopping at a farmer’s market.2008: Puts in own vegetable garden. Tries to go vegetarian but falls off the wagon.2009: Decides to only eat “happy meat” that has been treated humanely.2010: Gets a chicken coop and a flock of chickens.2011: Dabbles in backyard butchery of chickens. Reads that Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg decided to only eat meat he killed himself for a year.2012: Gets a hunting permit, thinking “how hard can it be? I already totally dominate Big Buck Hunter at the bar.”Hunting is undeniably in vogue among the bearded, bicycle-riding, locavore set. The new trend might even be partly behind a recent 9 percent increase from 2006 to 2011 in the number of hunters in the United States after years of decline. Many of these new hunters are taking up the activity for ethical and environmental reasons.
Reminder that it's 2012 and at this point "hipster" refers to practically anyone in their 20s who doesn't listen to Phish/Michael Buble/ICP.
So I was at the UDF on Hudson at Indianola last night at 3am. I'm buying a Mountain Dew and I'm standing behind a hipster. Suddenly he turns and demands to buy the Mountain Dew for me. The exchange goes something like this:Hipster: Oh, and let me buy this guy's drink (to the cashier)Me: Well then I'm going to pay you (I lay a $1 bill on the counter and push it toward the hipster)Hipster: No, I insist. By the way, have you ever seen $1 million dollars?Me: [brief pause] Not since grade school.I wasn't in any mood to play games at 3am. Looking back, I should have said no not since I quit the Klan or no not since I paid your mom. Anyway I find it disturbing that these asshole hipsters have now branched their whole thing out into realms stretching far beyond music and fashion. They've always been a-holes when you meet them on their own turf but now they've branched out into new realms like woodworking and now ironically buying snacks for people at gas stations.
Do hipsters consider the term to be pejorative? Frankly I like hipsters. Between them and the gays, a lot of rough neighborhoods are evolving into something more attractive and safe. I'll take skinny jeans over saggy pants and man-scarves over due-rags any day of the week