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Well basically it looks as if all witnesses are useless.
this court stuff is really in my face this week as i am on freakin jury duty!
Quote from: ClevelandOhio on May 23, 2012, 02:42:09 AMWell basically it looks as if all witnesses are useless.I think the cops already have that impression fairly universally.
well hts i hear you but i think a broken jaw n etc quite obviously constitutes great bodily harm lol! so that angle would be the wrong tact to follow. i think the prosecution should go after zim because he was in the process of a crime. we'll see.this court stuff is really in my face this week as i am on freakin jury duty!
I will put a beer on it. Tedolph
Quote from: tedolph on May 23, 2012, 11:32:13 AMI will put a beer on it. TedolphI would take you up on that bet..... if the prosecutor had charged him with manslaughter. The mental state element for murder 2 will be difficult to satisfy. But if the jury in Florida is allowed to convict him for manslaughter as a lessor included offense of murder 2, then I'll take you up on that bet. You win and you get a 12 pack of the GLBC beer of your pleasure. I win and I get your hat... and your radio.Welcome back, btw
Here's a related story involving a Stand Your Ground issue. This is what I have been commenting on in terms of how people can easily take the law too literal. You can even hear this guy on the phone with the cops saying "I'm standing my ground" before shooting his victim and seriously wounding others.http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/man-claims-self-defense-fatal-shooting-neighbor-115652180--abc-news-topstories.html
I honestly haven't been following this case much, so I may be off my mark on the facts here, but I'm not sure that Stand Your Ground *or* the Castle Doctrine is in play. Castle doctrine clearly isn't because Zimmerman wasn't in his home or his car.However, as I understand it, Zimmerman's narrative (and the medical records from his treatment for injuries seems consistent with it) is that Martin had him on the ground and was banging Zimmerman's head into the pavement. That's not Stand Your Ground at work there. That's plain old traditional self-defense. If that story is true--and I repeat, I haven't been following the case closely--Zimmerman might not even really need the extra protection of the SYG law. Lethal force at that stage might well have been justified even in a state with no SYG law.
Upthread, I laid out a detailed timeline I assume the prosecutors are going to use to absolutely destroy Zimmerman's credibility (what's left of it at least) on cross. The more this plays out, the more I think O'Mara is going to try and go for a Rule 29 dismissal after the Prosecution puts on its case. If the judge denies the motion, then Zimmerman will agree to a plea for voluntary manslaughter.
Quote from: Hts121 on June 21, 2012, 03:15:27 AMUpthread, I laid out a detailed timeline I assume the prosecutors are going to use to absolutely destroy Zimmerman's credibility (what's left of it at least) on cross. The more this plays out, the more I think O'Mara is going to try and go for a Rule 29 dismissal after the Prosecution puts on its case. If the judge denies the motion, then Zimmerman will agree to a plea for voluntary manslaughter. I think you're right, the prosecution will destroy Zimmerman's credibility, or what's left of it. He'll easily be painted as a liar, an aspiring police officer who had past trouble with the law himself, and overstepped his duties by pursuing a harmless unarmed man with a loaded weapon, despite being told not to. None of that adds up to a conviction on 2nd degree murder though. And despite all Zimmerman's character flaws, young Mr. Martin was no angel either, and it won't be hard to convince a handful of jurors that Zimmerman was in the middle of getting a complete beatdown and had to use deadly force to save himself from being killed. That defense, albeit weak, will be more than enough to beat the 2nd degree murder charge and possibly the manslaughter charge. No way does he take a pleabargain. My $0.02