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Here's my problem with the "learn to laugh at our city" philosophy: We're already the butt of jokes everywhere for everyone else and as someone who loves this place and is happy with life here, it gets old. Now if this were Denver or Portland or Kansas City or anywhere else that has a fairly neutral reputation, sure I'd have no problem not taking everything so seriously and laughing at truly funny things that happen in town. But in Cleveland, every time one of our own residents makes a spoof local tourism video or does something stupid that goes viral, we always have to hear the same old lines from outsiders that generally go "only in Cleveland" or "that place is a dump" or "mistake by the lake, har-har." Forgive me for being a bit defensive when this kind of nonsense plays itself out once every few months. Forgive me for becoming a bit weary of constantly being told that my choice of where to live and really my identity is inferior. And no, I do not believe that most of those types of comments are in good fun, I think they are meant to be insults and I view them as such.
Everyone? Do you really, in your heart of hearts, think Cleveland is the butt of jokes everywhere? Its not that people are picking on Cleveland, it's the Cleveland has a "woe is me" mentality and we need to stop feeling sorry for ourselves and get over it.
7:53 — In Wednesday's back-and-forth mock draft, Chad Ford predicted that Cleveland would draft Harrison Barnes fourth partly because he was "good friends" with Kyrie Irving. I thought this was ridiculous; apparently, so did the Cavs. They just tabbed explosive Syracuse guard Dion Waiters,3 setting themselves up for an easy "Anytime you can take the Big East's 'Sixth Man of the Year' with the fourth pick in an NBA draft, you have to do it" joke. Didn't we already go through this with Marvin Williams? Now we're running it back?(Note that's too important for a footnote: I thought the Cavs should have taken Thomas Robinson, but they obviously passed after spending last year's no. 4 overall pick on Tristan Thompson — same position as Robinson, not as good — so instead of stashing potential stud Jonas Valanciunas abroad in 2011 and picking Robinson this year, they spent two top-five picks on the poor man's Robinson and Syracuse's sixth man. The lesson, as always: God hates Cleveland.)
^I would think the 'market' for the Cavs is comparable, if not superior, than the market for Houston. Houston splits Texas with Dallas and SA and has NOLA directly to its east. The Cavs actually have a very large market to tap into with no teams in Pittsburgh, Buffalo, or Cincinnati. Of course, with the NBA season being played between November and April, other 'factors' come into play. Chicago has never had much luck with NBA free agents either. They have gone hard after Kobe, McGrady, Duncan, Lebron, etc. only to come up empty handed. Boozer might be their biggest signing I can think of and he was largely thought of as 3rd tier in his free agent class. I just don't know what can be done to prevent NBA players from preferring to spend their winters in Miami or LA...
First of all, as I mentioned in my post, I think that NBA fans are less loyal to franchises than fans of any of the other major sports. So maybe Cleveland technically has a huge geography monopoly protruding out from Lake Erie, but I have a hard time believing that few folks in Pittsburgh or Buffalo care much about the Cavaliers, especially considering both a big hockey towns. I think that the market discussion in this case really does revolve around the size of the metropolitan area...though I understand the argument for keeping Houston off the list.
Nate Silver is the first to break the big news....Sources: Magic accidentally deal Dwight Howard to themselves in 26-team trade.Quote from: Clevelander17 on July 09, 2012, 09:02:47 AMFirst of all, as I mentioned in my post, I think that NBA fans are less loyal to franchises than fans of any of the other major sports. So maybe Cleveland technically has a huge geography monopoly protruding out from Lake Erie, but I have a hard time believing that few folks in Pittsburgh or Buffalo care much about the Cavaliers, especially considering both a big hockey towns. I think that the market discussion in this case really does revolve around the size of the metropolitan area...though I understand the argument for keeping Houston off the list.I wasn't implying that the Cavs fanbase extends in any meaningful way into Pittsburgh or Buffalo or Cincy. But the lack of NBA teams in those towns means less competition for Youngstown, Erie, Columbus, etc.
Agreed. Regional loyalty is somewhat dilluted in the NBA, but we comparing apples to apples (Cleveland's NBA market vs. some other city's, like Houston's, NBA market). You're right in that it does often come down to one player to expand the team's market. When LBJ was here, it was quite common for the seats next to mine to be filled with folks from Columbus, WVa, Toledo, and other areas in the region. Point being, the potential is there..... whereas, it doesn't matter if the Browns had an LBJ equivalent.... half of Youngstown would still spit on a Brown and Orange flag in a heartbeat.
no, they were apart of the league expansion in 1988 which also ushered in lame names such as heat and magic. They should have a voodoo-themed name or something. how about the Ragin' Cajuns?
Speaking of names, I am in favor of changing the Wiz back to the bullets. Also, the SuperSonics need to make a return.