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But there is still significant divide on the question of, not 'how', but 'whether' we can do anything about it.... and then there probably is that camp who would wonder whether we 'should' do anything about it even if we 'can'
The tide does seem to be shifting somewhat.... at least to the point where if you outright deny climate change and the cause and effect relation with human activity (whether that be industry, farming, farting, whatever), you are increasingly finding yourself in a shrinking minority. But there is still significant divide on the question of, not 'how', but 'whether' we can do anything about it.... and then there probably is that camp who would wonder whether we 'should' do anything about it even if we 'can'
The jig is up!Even the Lefty media now admitts that CO2 is not an imm mportant greehouse gas:
Quote from: tedolph on January 14, 2012, 06:14:31 AMThe jig is up!Even the Lefty media now admitts that CO2 is not an imm mportant greehouse gas: I'm not sure how you (and many people in the Denver Post comments section) can come to that conclusion reading that article."Scientists say carbon dioxide from fossil fuels such as coal and oil is a bigger overall cause of global warming, but reducing methane and soot offers quicker fixes."This is Lefty double talk and proof the underlying comments are not biased. Obviously, is you are serious about climate warming, you do the easiest cheapest stuff first. Also, this is not a game changer for the broader debate. Say every climate change scientist and advocate started going exclusively after soot and methane. The same people on the other side of the fence would still be there claiming they want to kill jobs.It makes jobs because methane gas has value, It can be sold, turned into elecricity, etc. CO2 can not. Edit: Meant to convey that there are a dozen or so things you can say from this article but "not an important greenhouse gas" isn't one of them.
The Denver Post (i.e. "Lefty media") endorsed Bush in 2004. They were surely taken off the NWO mailing list shortly thereafter.
Carbon dioxide is acidifying the ocean and will destroy all of the coral reefs at this rate of emissions.
In other words, the true source of some of the warming that is normally attributed to smog is really due to methane that leads to increased smog.
So you are advocating a veggetarian diet, tedolph? Never got over that crush on Allyssa Milano?Quote from: tedolph on January 16, 2012, 06:36:24 AMIn other words, the true source of some of the warming that is normally attributed to smog is really due to methane that leads to increased smog.I'm sure there is some truth to this, but that doesn't translate to some broad conclusion that smog is the result of cow burps. I didn't see too many cows in LA last time I was there, but I did see a ton of cars and enough smog for the entire west coast...... (and, yes, I understand how geography contributes to that).
If you *feed* them, they will keep coming back.
So you are advocating a veggetarian diet, tedolph? Never got over that crush on Allyssa Milano?
The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) today released the new version of its Plant Hardiness Zone Map (PHZM), updating a useful tool for gardeners and researchers for the first time since 1990 with greater accuracy and detail. The new map—jointly developed by USDA's Agricultural Research Service (ARS) and Oregon State University's (OSU) PRISM Climate Group—is available online at www.planthardiness.ars.usda.gov. ARS is the chief intramural scientific research agency of USDA. . . .Compared to the 1990 version, zone boundaries in this edition of the map have shifted in many areas. The new map is generally one 5-degree Fahrenheit half-zone warmer than the previous map throughout much of the United States. This is mostly a result of using temperature data from a longer and more recent time period; the new map uses data measured at weather stations during the 30-year period 1976-2005. In contrast, the 1990 map was based on temperature data from only a 13-year period of 1974-1986.
...Leaks from natural gas operations release methane into the atmosphere. Methane is a way more potent green house gas than carbon dioxide. The oil companies are allowing these leaks and if the leaks are great enough, we might as well be burning coal. --Boreas...