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« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2009, 09:59:29 AM » |
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I grew up in Massillon/Canton, and remember the days of 3, 5, and 8 very well. 23 out of Akron was good because the reception was always so much better. The Akron/Canton/Youngstown PBS station is 45/49. They used to be WNEO/WEAO, but now they just call themselves "Western Reserve." Canton's WOAC 67 is still around, but, last time I was home, they were just an infomercial network or something like that.
Now that I'm in Youngstown, at least with cable, I get no stations out of Cleveland. I miss Dick Goddard's passion for the weather. All of the news anchors around here seem to be so much more "amateur-ish" than what I remember from Cleveland.
When I lived in Austintown, (western suburb of Youngstown) I had Armstrong Cable. And, they carried 2 PBS stations. They had the Akron/Canton/Youngstown PBS station, and they had WQED out of Pittsburgh. But, living in Youngstown and having Warner Cable, I only get the Akron/Canton/Youngstown PBS station.
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Florida Guy
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« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2009, 10:20:21 AM » |
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Even my friend from Youngstown(Niles) said he grew up watching 3, 5 & 8 (which is weird because they were closer to Pittsburgh).
Niles being just NW of Youngstown is actually closer to Cleveland than Pittsburgh. Growing up on the south side of Youngstown we could get all the Pittsburgh channels quite clear. We always had to watch the Browns games in the "snow" because the Cleveland channels didn't come in that well and the local channels mostly showed the Steelers. 
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« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2009, 12:28:14 PM » |
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Does Akron still have Channel 55?
Yes, they are located in Cuyahoga Falls. You can see their "tower" from many miles away. Is Canton part of the Cleveland media market?
As far as I know, yes. Which really bolsters the Cleveland Market as the Akron/Canton area has well over a million people. Growing up near Ytown, it was Channel 33, Fox 17/62, Channel 27, and another I can't remember. I remember that we could get Cleveland Channels, but my family never watched them because they weren't local. We couldn't get any Pittsburgh channels that I recall.
I can remember getting some Youngstown Channels at night, I remember watching them and seeing the local high school highlights. I also can remember getting Pittsburghs hip hop radio station when I would go kick at Mt. Union in Alliance.
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« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2009, 09:37:24 PM » |
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Living between Cincy and Dayton with only an antennae TV (Monroe), we got both station sets quite clearly with our antennae pointed toward Cincy. My parents watched Cincy news, I watched Dayton news, and since I spent a lot of time in and around Dayton as a kid, I never really liked to watch Cincy news because I had no clue where the stuff they were talking about was. With Dayton news, I always knew what they were talking about in general, and it seemed to cover more Butler/Warren while Cincy focused on NKY and east of the city, which I knew little to nothing about. Now I know better, but Channel 2 is still my fav.  (yes, sometimes I still watch "the local trash" at 5)
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mrnyc
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« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2009, 09:41:19 PM » |
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wasn't there something that historically the cle tv transmitters had to broadcast n-s vs e-w? thats what originally gave akron good cle tv coverage (and lake erie too - ha). might that be why they are still so closely tied together even in the cable era?
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Eigth and State
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« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2009, 09:54:10 PM » |
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There are rules having to do with international boundaries. I don't know if that plays into the Cleveland situation or not.
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Loretto
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« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2009, 09:59:16 PM » |
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Periodically on the Cleveland news shows call in response segments you'd see responses from towns in Canada that you've never heard of. So maybe that explains that a bit, heh.
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mrnyc
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« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2009, 10:56:51 PM » |
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There are rules having to do with international boundaries. I don't know if that plays into the Cleveland situation or not.
there are now, but i don't think international boundaries had much to do with broadcasting in the early days, if anything any rules that existed were broken the other way around, ie., mexican radio per wiki: high-wattage unregulated AM Mexican radio stations (among them XERF, XEG, and XERB) which, starting circa the 1930s, were received practically around the globe. Some of the stations boasted a million watts, which was 20 times higher than allowed in the US.
Sitting just south of the Rio Grande, these stations avoided American broadcast and trade regulations, and became the medium of favor for countless quacks spouting political rants, selling homemade pharmaceuticals pre-FDA, self-published manifestos, and may have even been the starting point for Televangelism as we know it. Wolfman Jack started his career in that market, spinning an eclectic mix of genres.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Radio#Cover_versionscloser to home, i remember the am radio station cklw in windsor was 50k watts and used to be very popular around coastal ohio --- i'm not sure how internationally legal that station was either. anyway, i just figured the cle-akr broadcast tie that still exists today may have its roots in cle tv's n-s tv transmitter past.
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« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2009, 11:34:48 PM » |
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^ My parents listened to the Big 8 CKLW almost as much as Cleveland stations when I was a kid. The Big 8 mp3CKLW The Motor City mp3 WJR from Detroit also comes in clearly in Lorain (too bad I can't catch the Red Wings broadcasts on it anymore). I was more of an 89X (CIMX) fan as a young adult, but now it's frequently interfered with by WJCU's signal. For TV, I remember turning the roof antenna to catch Browns games on Toledo stations when they were blacked out in Cleveland. None of the neighbor kids had a rotating antenna, so our basement was Browns fan central. 
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mrnyc
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« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2009, 02:08:50 AM » |
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^ wow awesome technology -- haha.
they used to always say radio and tv waves traveled much better over water than land.
i remember one day when i was a kid we got canadian tv clear as a bell. several stations. it only happened once and it was quite memorable. i dont think it was windsor, i dontremember where it was from, but it was very strange. i think there was even an article in the paper about it.
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« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2009, 11:27:39 AM » |
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In Toledo, you often got better reception from Windsor stations than from some Toledo stations and certainly from Detroit/Ann Arbor stations. 89X out of Windsor was big @ least in the late 90s.
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StrapHanger
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« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2009, 01:49:40 PM » |
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The most amazing radio phenomenon to me is that I can often pick up WTAM 1100 (Indians games) from a car radio when driving on the East Coast at night, north of NYC (as far north as VT or NH). On a single drive from NYC to Boston two summers ago, I could pick up home baseball broadcasts from NYC and Boston (duh) but also Baltimore, Philly, Cleveland, and Toronto. Maybe others too- but I remember those distinctly.
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« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2009, 01:54:49 PM » |
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700 wlw goes to 36 states at night. It used to be 500,000 watts at one time.
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WesternReserve
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« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2009, 04:52:16 PM » |
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The most amazing radio phenomenon to me is that I can often pick up WTAM 1100 (Indians games) from a car radio when driving on the East Coast at night, north of NYC (as far north as VT or NH). On a single drive from NYC to Boston two summers ago, I could pick up home baseball broadcasts from NYC and Boston (duh) but also Baltimore, Philly, Cleveland, and Toronto. Maybe others too- but I remember those distinctly.
WTAM is a clear channel station so you can hear it at night in most of the easter half of the US http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTAM
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C-Dawg Njaim
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« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2009, 06:52:09 PM » |
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In Toledo, you often got better reception from Windsor stations than from some Toledo stations and certainly from Detroit/Ann Arbor stations. 89X out of Windsor was big @ least in the late 90s.
89X at its peak was actually the number one alternative rock station in Toledo! So it was dominant in three cities- Windsor/Detroit/Toledo. I'm not sure how reception was in Ann Arbor (no Lake Erie to help broadcast), but if they got it there, it was probably number one. 89X used to be one of the best alternative stations in North America. Sadly, it kind of sucks today. 93.9 The River is much better and fills the void. Also, Detroit's 101.1 WRIF is big in Toledo. Water aids in broadcast (reflects signals). Generally speaking, in Downtown Toledo or anywhere close to the water, Detroit and Windsor stations come in clear with regular antennas. In suburbs, it varies. They come in pretty well in Maumee and Perrysburg, but Sylvania and Springfield are a different story. It works the other way too. Toledo stations, particularly ones who broadcast from Downtown or the eastern metro area (antennas by Lake Erie) are picked up in Detroit and Windsor.
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« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2009, 08:10:44 PM » |
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The most amazing radio phenomenon to me is that I can often pick up WTAM 1100 (Indians games) from a car radio when driving on the East Coast at night, north of NYC (as far north as VT or NH). On a single drive from NYC to Boston two summers ago, I could pick up home baseball broadcasts from NYC and Boston (duh) but also Baltimore, Philly, Cleveland, and Toronto. Maybe others too- but I remember those distinctly.
WTAM is a clear channel station so you can hear it at night in most of the easter half of the US
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTAM
You can get WTAM at least as far south as Washington DC at night too. But only when travelling on letter streets, not numbers.
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« Reply #46 on: November 11, 2009, 09:12:20 PM » |
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89X at its peak was actually the number one alternative rock station in Toledo! I used to get 89X in Cleveland, esp after John Carroll went off the air around 11pm. 89X was the best! WAPS in Akron was also one of THE best alternative stations by far. Ran by the Akron Public Schools at the time, they had music that you would never hear anywhere else, all commercial free, and the DJ's were HS students (that were pretty bad actually). You could win passes to 9 of clubs or Aquillon sooooo easy....and 12" records. None of the neighbor kids had a rotating antenna, so our basement was Browns fan central We had that exact same gadget! We used to turn it on and run outside to watch the antenna turn
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dmerkow
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« Reply #47 on: November 11, 2009, 09:27:35 PM » |
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700 WLW would come in clear after dark in the car in Newport News, Virginia.
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Cleburger
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« Reply #48 on: November 11, 2009, 10:55:07 PM » |
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^Exactly what sources are you looking at?
The research in my office. I do this for a living. 
If you do research for a living, then you know the results of statistical research are different depending on who conducts the polling. Media outlets buy their research many times based on who has the better numbers.
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westakron1
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« Reply #49 on: November 12, 2009, 05:42:50 AM » |
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You can get WTAM as far south as Charlotte NC at nights as I've listened to Cavs games when down there.
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MyTwoSense
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« Reply #50 on: November 12, 2009, 09:35:51 PM » |
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^Exactly what sources are you looking at?
The research in my office. I do this for a living.
If you do research for a living, then you know the results of statistical research are different depending on who conducts the polling. Media outlets buy their research many times based on who has the better numbers.
I never said that I did research for a living. Don't make assumptions I'm well aware how stats are compiled.
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Cleburger
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« Reply #51 on: November 12, 2009, 10:52:54 PM » |
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Sorry my bad--by implying you had access to resear ^Exactly what sources are you looking at?
The research in my office. I do this for a living.
If you do research for a living, then you know the results of statistical research are different depending on who conducts the polling. Media outlets buy their research many times based on who has the better numbers.
I never said that I did research for a living. Don't make assumptions
I'm well aware how stats are compiled.
Sorry my bad--by indicating you had research in your office it implied that you were somehow professionally involved with market research. I stand corrected. Now how about spatulas or deep fryers?
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