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« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2009, 03:20:06 AM » |
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“give up local control to out-of-state businesses with a singular agenda to make money for the pockets of special interests.”
And that varies from almost every other business how? He basically just summed up capitalism.
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David
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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2009, 07:33:50 AM » |
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Politicians are so easily bought out. You will always find debates on whether or not casinos spur economic development and are good or a detriment to the community. It isn't just the casino's investors who want this thing - it's the people who make the slot machines. These corporations have deep pockets and a lot of money is set aside to get through the red tape and expand into new states. You will always find valid points on both sides of the issue because the guys who run the casinos have the money to hire lobbyists, public relations consultants and researchers that anticipate every argument against their agenda. Then you have people on the other side who only need to use common sense. If you're trying to persuade people to vote for something controversial, it is so easy to manipulate statistics and use a methodology that serves your purpose. At the end of the day, people don't really care about splurging money though. We raise taxes and build $500M stadiums that do little more than let us feel happy about ourselves for being a part of a major league franchise that makes headlines. People know football and baseball aren't the best civic investments but they're fun. So is gambling.
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« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2009, 11:06:04 AM » |
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Rundown of who's for, against and neutral on the casino gambling issue from '09 casino war is quirky: Issue 3 produces odd alliances, defections of past gambling foes. SUPPORT Ohio House Speaker Armond Budish Cleveland Mayor Frank G. Jackson Cincinnati Mayor Mark Mallory Toledo Mayor Carty Finkbeiner The (Cleveland) Plain Dealer The Cincinnati Enquirer Ohio Fraternal Order of Police Ohio AFL/CIO United Auto Workers Akron Mayor Don Plusquellic NAACP, Columbus chapter Cleveland City Council OPPOSITION Gov. Ted Strickland U.S. Sen. George V. Voinovich U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown State Auditor Mary Taylor Ohio Senate President Bill M. Harris Ohio Council of Churches The Columbus Dispatch The (Toledo) Blade Youngstown Mayor Jay Williams ProgressOhio Columbus Chamber of Commerce Franklin County Commissioner John O'Grady NO POSITION Columbus Mayor Michael B. Coleman Attorney General Richard Cordray Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner State Treasurer Kevin L. Boyce Ohio Democratic Party Ohio Republican Party
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rider
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« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2009, 06:50:49 PM » |
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Move Mayor Coleman from the "no position" to the "opposition" column...Coleman votes against casino issue
Business First of Columbus - by Matt Burns
Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 4:41pm Columbus Mayor Michael Coleman is siding with a number of influential Columbus business groups in opposing the casino plan set to go before voters next week, but don’t expect him to hit the trail in the six days that remain before the polls open. Coleman spokesman Dan Williamson confirmed Coleman cast his vote against Issue 3 Wednesday in voting early at the Franklin County Board of Elections. Of the four cities that would see casinos built should voters approve the constitutional amendment, he’s the only mayor against it. Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson, Cincinnati Mayor Mark Mallory and Toledo Mayor Carty Finkbeiner all have publicly endorsed Issue 3, which will ask voters to approve building casinos in Columbus and those three cities. Wyomissing, Pa.-based Penn National Gaming Inc. and Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert would be investors in the $1 billion proposal. Full story at http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2009/10/26/daily27.html?surround=lfn
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rider
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« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2009, 10:35:08 AM » |
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Okay, now move Experience Columbus from the "no position" to the "opposition" column!Visitors bureau comes out against Issue 3
Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 7:36 PM
Updated: Friday, October 30, 2009 - 12:33 AM
By Barbara Carmen and Robert Vitale, The Columbus DispatchThe board of Columbus' convention and visitors bureau backed off an earlier decision to remain neutral on Issue 3, voting yesterday to oppose Tuesday's ballot effort to allow casinos in Ohio. The Experience Columbus board's specific concern about Issue 3 primarily relates to the lack of sufficient state and local government controls over casinos. Furthermore, the board said in a written statement, Experience Columbus is concerned about the proposed location of the Columbus casino site and feels that any site chosen for this purpose should be a community-led decision. The head of the organization said on Oct. 21 that the board would not take a stand on the issue, saying it lacked the information to make a decision. Convention bureaus in Cleveland and Toledo favor Issue 3. Full story at http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/10/29/experience.html
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rider
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« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2009, 12:05:43 AM » |
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Casino backers: ‘Development begins today’
Business First of Columbus - by Matt Burns
Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 4:26pm Standing on the site of a $300 million casino planned for downtown Columbus, developers say they won’t delay in getting on the three-year-long road to open the complex, but acknowledged they may face a tough journey in the state’s capital city where backing for the casinos is weak. Executives of Penn National Gaming Inc. met with reporters Wednesday at the site west of the Arena District along Nationwide Boulevard that will be home to one of four casinos approved Tuesday by voters with the passage of controversial Issue 3. Wyomissing, Pa.-based Penn National will build and operate the casinos in Columbus and Toledo, and Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert will develop the Cleveland and Cincinnati gaming centers. After clinching victory with 53 percent of the vote, Penn National intends to get construction under way in Columbus about a year from now, said spokesman Eric Schippers. Executives hope the Columbus and Toledo casinos, which will be designed in line with the Penn National’s Hollywood Casino brand, will open their doors in late 2012. Full story at http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2009/11/02/daily24.html
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ColDayMan
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« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2009, 08:16:36 AM » |
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Now is it true that the Columbus and Toledo sites will only be blackjack, roulette, and slots?
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LAsam
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« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2009, 10:37:52 AM » |
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If they end up f*ing up the Arena District with this... I will not be a happy camper.
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J.Remy
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« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2009, 11:14:19 AM » |
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I am not at all happy with this. I am with LAsam. If they end up f$&king up the Arena District with this, I will be none to happy. Is it possible for Columbus to put together an initiative to amend the city charter to not allow a casino to be built in the city?
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« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2009, 12:35:07 PM » |
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Now is it true that the Columbus and Toledo sites will only be blackjack, roulette, and slots?
I don't think they've said for sure. But the Columbus and Toldeo casinos are supposed to be modeled on the existing Hollywood Indiana casino. And at www.hollywoodindiana.com, they have slots, blackjack, roulette, poker and craps. As well as celebrity impersonators, like Madonna, Elvis and Michael Jackson (!).
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GCrites80s
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« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2009, 07:44:48 PM » |
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Columbus as a whole seems to be less enamored with the casino as the rest of the state, perhaps due to the Arena District proposal The NE side of Downtown seems sleepiest at this time; the casino might be better off just east of the Convention Center.
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kingfish out of water
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« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2009, 10:11:26 PM » |
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Just east of the convention center is 1) I-71 2) Train Tracks 3) Abbot Laboratories, Columbus Baking, and a number of other active sites. South of that you've got CCCS, CCAD, Franklin University, CMA and a host of other likely disinterested neighbors. Somebody said it: the City Center Mall site. They could pretty much move in now. Frankly, I don't see the casino "f$&king up" the Arena district; it's already pretty much astroturf as it is. A casino won't upset any natural order of things.
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LAsam
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« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2009, 10:42:13 AM » |
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The reason I'm worried koow, is because what I always liked about the arena district was the "feel" of the area. I loved all the beautiful brick, the fact that it was lively but not overcrowded, and the fact that it felt somewhat authentic even though most of it was new build. If they drop some garish, tacky casino there I think it could really mess up the synergy of the area.
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GCrites80s
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« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2009, 11:00:14 AM » |
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Somebody said it: the City Center Mall site. They could pretty much move in now.
I like that idea as well, but as was mentioned by someone else, the Statehouse probably wouldn't like the idea of the casino being so close. It would provide symbolism for those who may think the Statehouse is in the casino's pocket.
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kingfish out of water
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« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2009, 02:43:45 PM » |
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The reason I'm worried koow, is because what I always liked about the arena district was the "feel" of the area. I loved all the beautiful brick, the fact that it was lively but not overcrowded, and the fact that it felt somewhat authentic even though most of it was new build. If they drop some garish, tacky casino there I think it could really mess up the synergy of the area.
From a standpoint of aesthetics, the casino will have to toe the planning line. As for the crowds, don't worry. They'll be inside the casino, hunched over slot machines.
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jking222222
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« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2009, 03:55:57 PM » |
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All I know is that the name, `Hollywood Casino`, is so awesome it's sure to attract people. I mean they must have done study after study to come up with the best possible name ever. I bet the name alone attracts people from all over lowly ohio who want to get a taste of the `Hollywood` atmosphere we all hear so much about! Personally I can't wait!! I'm expecting to see at least a couple `stars` there every time I go... God I love that name!!!
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WalkerEvans
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« Reply #48 on: November 08, 2009, 01:10:02 PM » |
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Somebody said it: the City Center Mall site. They could pretty much move in now. Haven't been by lately, have you?  Anyway, the location was already decided by the casino developers before the vote was held. There's really no point to discussing other "what if" possibilities at this point.
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J.Remy
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« Reply #51 on: November 10, 2009, 03:37:21 PM » |
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Well, since I have no choice in the matter (or my choice was not of the majority), I guess I have to go along with it. So, why is there no hotel associated with the Casino here? They might as well design a hotel tower seeing as though we are in need a of a full service hotel for the sake of conventions.
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danmc
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« Reply #52 on: November 10, 2009, 06:24:01 PM » |
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A full service Hilton is going to be constructed across from the Hyatt Regency on North High Street. It is in the design stage now.
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WalkerEvans
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« Reply #53 on: November 10, 2009, 11:18:27 PM » |
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I believe the casino investors intentionally left the hotel out as a way to woo support from city/county government who are already set on building the Hilton. They didn't want the Casino Hotel to be seen as a competitor.
I'm hearing rumblings from some grassroots folks who are looking to continue the oppositional fight against the Casino. Just because the amendments gives Penn the authority to build the casino in Columbus, it doesn't mean that they have to.
Will post up more details when I hear more...
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WalkerEvans
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Locals Interested in Stopping the Columbus CasinoBy Walker | November 20, 2009  Issue 3 passed on November 3rd, awarding Penn National Gaming the ability to install casinos in four Ohio cities including Columbus. Voters in Franklin County opposed the casino proposal 58% to 42%, and so did every other Central Ohio county. A local movement is being started by Jon Myers and Chuck Hootman to remind Central Ohioans that just because Penn National is allowed to build a casino here, it doesn’t mean that they have to. MORE HERE: http://www.columbusunderground.com/locals-interested-in-stopping-the-columbus-casino
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