Author Topic: Petersburg, KY - Creation Museum (Read 43058 times)

UncleRando · « **Reply #105 on:** April 11, 2007, 06:46:43 AM »

Creation Museum on track
$27M raised to finish center by May 28 opening, execs say
BY RYAN CLARK | RCLARK@NKY.COM
April 11, 2007

PETERSBURG - The Creation Museum in Boone County has raised all of the $27 million needed to finish the center by late May - mostly in small donations, officials said Tuesday.

Originally planned at a cost of $25 million with 50,000 square feet devoted to the museum, more than 10,000 square feet were added in January. Total cost: $27 million.

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UncleRando · « **Reply #106 on:** April 15, 2007, 05:05:25 AM »

Creation Museum touches lives
Workers sharing faith even before building opens
BY RYAN CLARK | RCLARK@NKY.COM
April 15, 2007

PETERSBURG - Jeremy Huff is sawing, measuring and shaping the planks that will make up part of Noah's Ark.

He is a carpenter. He is also a Christian. And he never thought this would happen to him.

He never thought that one day, he would find the church again. Or that one day, he would read the Bible to his children, and together, they would discuss its meaning.

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UncleRando · « **Reply #107 on:** April 25, 2007, 02:25:24 AM »

Museum attracting protests
Creationism foes going to opening
BY RYAN CLARK | RCLARK@NKY.COM
April 25, 2007

PETERSBURG - Opponents of the Creation Museum are organizing to protest the opening, scheduled for Memorial Day, May 28.

"The Creation Museum is a charming fantasy," said Edwin Kagin, a Union attorney and the national legal director of American Atheists. "They are helping to dumb down society and we have to make a response."

The $27 million museum in Boone County has incorporated science into the literal history of the Bible. It also serves as headquarters for the global Answers in Genesis ministry.

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Jeffrey · « **Reply #108 on:** April 25, 2007, 11:06:19 AM »

I am tempted to go to this museum just to check it out.

They could have field trips to Big Bone Lick, as it is just down the road.

Vulpster03 · « **Reply #109 on:** April 25, 2007, 11:26:35 AM »

I just found this thread and knew nothing about the museum. I don't know whether to be troubled, laugh, or actually visit.

cincity · « **Reply #110 on:** April 25, 2007, 12:17:39 PM »

^^Maybe "tempted" isn't the right word. Perhaps you are being "drawn".

^Actually visit. Then tell us your impression.

I am definitely planning to go. I think it sounds like fun. It is definitely a one of a kind destination.
I think people should reserve judgement til they actually see it.

UncleRando · « **Reply #111 on:** April 25, 2007, 12:47:03 PM »

I will never go to the place. It is a place that is claiming to be an actual museum that informs people about something, but that certain something is an incorrect notion. Science and actual facts have essentially proven the whole theory of creationism flat out wrong! Evolution has without a doubt been proven fact, but how the world formed is still being debated. However, on one side of the argument you have some information to back up the argument...on the other side of the argument it is all personal belief. I'm sorry, but I don't go for that kind of stuff...I desire truth over everything else!

X · « **Reply #112 on:** April 25, 2007, 02:47:53 PM »

I predict a religious reawakening in Cincinnati! This museum has the power of the Lord, I tells ya! Oh, glorious day in Boone County!

Seriously though, I think it is lame to go protest their opening. It will only give them the legitimacy that sort of response always confers.

UncleRando · « **Reply #113 on:** April 25, 2007, 02:49:32 PM »

Quote from: X on April 25, 2007, 02:47:53 PM

Seriously though, I think it is lame to go protest their opening. It will only give them the legitimacy that sort of response always confers.

Well put...it doesn't deserve the time of day.

Quimbob · « **Reply #114 on:** April 25, 2007, 02:54:43 PM »

I want to see if they figured out people used dinosaurs to build the pyramids !

Cincinnatus · « **Reply #115 on:** April 25, 2007, 03:33:53 PM »

Quote from: UncleRando on April 25, 2007, 12:47:03 PM

I will never go to the place. It is a place that is claiming to be an actual museum that informs people about something, but that certain something is an incorrect notion. Science and actual facts have essentially proven the whole theory of creationism flat out wrong! Evolution has without a doubt been proven fact, but how the world formed is still being debated. However, on one side of the argument you have some information to back up the argument...on the other side of the argument it is all personal belief. I'm sorry, but I don't go for that kind of stuff...I desire truth over everything else!

To a christian:

I will never go to the place (secular museum). It is a place that is claiming to be an actual museum that informs people about something, but that certain something is an incorrect notion. Science and actual facts have essentially proven the whole theory of the "Big Bang" flat out wrong! Creationism has without a doubt been proven fact, but how the world formed is still being debated. However, on one side of the argument you have some information to back up the argument...on the other side of the argument it is all *"personal belief". I'm sorry, but I don't go for that kind of stuff...I desire truth over everything else!

*Scientific Theory

Scientific- producing knowledge.
Theory- speculation.

Point is, I think you should go, Rando.

UCplanner · « **Reply #116 on:** April 25, 2007, 03:42:31 PM »

Well put Cincy-rise . . . Rando, you are attacking, pretty harshly i might add

, the beliefs of literally billions of people in the world. I say lets go check this thing out...

"Facts" could always be proven wrong

Quimbob · « **Reply #117 on:** April 26, 2007, 01:24:45 AM »

This belief represents only a segment of Christians. Probably a minority.

UCplanner · « **Reply #118 on:** April 26, 2007, 03:50:03 AM »

your probably right...instead 2 billion its probably closer to about 900 million

so its fine to attack

UncleRando · « **Reply #119 on:** April 26, 2007, 02:45:54 PM »

Quote from: UCplanner on April 25, 2007, 03:42:31 PM

"Facts" could always be proven wrong

Yes facts can be proven wrong, but at least there are some kind of facts/information to at least be examined...whereas on the other hand it is almost entirely belief.

If the 'theory' so happens to be true that most all scientific evidence happens to be wrong...then so be it, I'll admit my incorrect judgment. Maybe I put too much trust into some of the smartest people in the world, or maybe its that I don't put enough trust into an institution that has deliberately tried to hide the truth for generations...in fear that it might jeopardize the influence and power their institution has held for so many years.

Cincinnatus · « **Reply #120 on:** April 26, 2007, 04:54:04 PM »

^ Come on now, this isn't "The DaVinci Code".

The best thing you can do to refute a theory is to understand and educate yourself of the opposed end. That's why I think you should go.

This is a museum, not a church. Their argument is in a "Scientific" form. Why not check it out and then question it.

Quimbob · « **Reply #121 on:** April 27, 2007, 12:00:28 AM »

^ Looks more like an amusement park to me.

Cincinnatus · « **Reply #122 on:** April 27, 2007, 02:01:03 AM »

^ True, but I'm sure most Amusement Parks and Museums use similar products or companies to re-create a time in history or characters, agree?

cincity · « **Reply #123 on:** April 27, 2007, 03:11:43 AM »

Quote from: Cincy-Rise on April 26, 2007, 04:54:04 PM

^ Come on now, this isn't "The DaVinci Code".

The best thing you can do to refute a theory is to understand and educate yourself of the opposed end. That's why I think you should go.

This is a museum, not a church. Their argument is in a "Scientific" form. Why not check it out and then question it.

Thank you Cincy-Rise,for for being the voice of reason here.

RANDO:It is extremely important to consider the claims of an argument before you go attacking said argument,shooting imaginary holes through unexamined opinions.

Do some research,examine other sources of information.Fully educate yourself on a matter before deciding your position/where you stand on any topic. You might say: "I already know all the answers to one of the great mysteries of life , therefore, I don't need to hear anymore on this matter". In any other situation we would call this close-minded.

Why do scientists,"some of the smartest people in the world", get a free pass with the "facts" they disseminate? Would you believe the government and all their information,because they have your best interests at heart? It is obvious how you feel about religious organizations. So you don't believe them to be truthful. None of us would simply take these organizations word for it,we would examine their claims.

You know, we would have no problem believing that people being raised around religious zealots,constantly being fed "facts" day in and day out could be indoctrinated to believe exactly the same way as their teachers believe. These people,lets call them students, are usually very dogmatic in their "beliefs", they may not be able to explain them to you but you will rarely ever change their opinion.We accept this scenario without hesitation, we may even know people like this. We may regard all people of faith as falling into this category. Why can't the opposite viewpoint be taken as well? Can a child,a generation of children really, who have been fed only one viewpoint;a virtually unchallenged viewpoint at that,for we all know there are no other explanations of origins offered or even allowed in the classroom;indeed,what child would dare speak a differing opinion in such an environment; can such a child, such a generation,also be considered to have been "indoctrinated" as well?

Is it possible that,in the case of origins,there really is only one side to the story? Apparently scientists really have no vested interest in maintaining their own little paradigm.Unlike the church, which goes to great lengths to maintain their interests,their world view.No,scientists,bless their pure little hearts, are only interested in the "truth".They just toil away in their labcoats,peering over microscopes and test-tubes.They have no ulterior motives;should evolution be proven a hoax,or the big bang a big bust,then they will have lost nothing. RIGHT!!!!! I'm sure all the funds/grants/research foundations will just keep rollin' in. But I'm probably wrong here,I'm sure they don't concern themselves with maintaining the status-quo.No self intrest motivates them to keep the monies flowing. They would be just as content to work at any other endeavor.
There would be no attempt at:
" deliberately trying to hide the truth for generations...in fear that it might jeapardize the influence and power their institution has held for so many years" .

Yeah, I believe them. I mean what reason would they have for not being totally,totally honest with us? I'm sure they
"desire truth over everything else".
Just don't examine this truth too closely....the devil is in the details,don't ja know? And what may appear as FACTS, are themselves in fact, GREAT LEAPS OF FAITH. You may choose to disregard this totally, but the person who WHO REALLY SEEKS TRUTH looks much, much deeper than what is evident from the dismissive tone evident is some previous posts.

UncleRando · « **Reply #124 on:** April 27, 2007, 05:21:02 AM »

I'm not real sure why people are assuming I'm "uneducated" about this topic and do not know the other side of the argument. I HAVE researched both sides of the argument and I have simply stated that one has facts/science to back up its claims...while the other side of the argument has wishful thinking to back it up.

If you want a history about me then fine...I have been raised Roman Catholic and have extensively read the Bible and have learned its teachings. Since this formal upbringing I have re-examined the religion and beliefs that I held near and dear to my heart. Through this process I have questioned a lot of what the Catholic church stands for and what it teaches to its followers. Now obviously Catholicism is not representative of all Christians, but many core things are the same. In terms of this particular issue the institution of the church has deliberately tried to hide the truth over many years.

For example they did not want people to know about the heliocentric (sun-centered) model. This knowledge directly affected what the institution was teaching its followers and the foundation of the church itself. All I know is that the very foundations of the church are shaky at best. You can agree or disagree, but I HAVE seen both sides and this is where I currently stand on the issue. What happens if we find out that we are not the only intelligent life forms out there?? What happens if we find out that we aren't the ultimate 'creations' of 1 powerful god?? I don't have these answers, but does the church have a response to them?? My guess is no...and when that day comes, where do we all stand.

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CincyDad · « **Reply #125 on:** April 27, 2007, 08:37:42 AM »

I suppose I could try to keep an open mind and visit the place, but I wouldn't pay $20 to get into a high-quality exhibit at a world famous museum (and I love to go to museum exhibits), so I'm certainly not paying $20 just to check out something like this. Seems they should price it a lot lower.

Vulpster03 · « **Reply #126 on:** April 27, 2007, 03:42:39 PM »

Quote from: UncleRando on April 27, 2007, 05:21:02 AM

In terms of this particular issue the institution of the church has deliberately tried to hide the truth over many years.

For example they did not want people to know about the heliocentric (sun-centered) model. This knowledge directly affected what the institution was teaching its followers and the foundation of the church itself. All I know is that the very foundations of the church are shaky at best. You can agree or disagree, but I HAVE seen both sides and this is where I currently stand on the issue.

You don't really see a lot of Catholics well represented among creationist supporters. I doubt any of the people working on the museum or donors were Catholics. I don't mean to start a theological debate, but I was raised and educated in Catholic schools. We learned about the helio-centric model of the solar system and evolution. Catholicism can adapt better to scientific discoveries, because unlike other Christian churches it is not limited to the Bible for authority. Catholicism teaches that the use of human reason can be a way to know God - not just the Bible. Also, Catholocism recognizes that what the Bible teaches is moral or spiritual truths - not historic or scientific truths. Catholicism seems "strict", but Catholocism permits its postions to evolve according to divine revalation or human reason. It is part of the salvation history concept.

Jeffrey · « **Reply #127 on:** April 27, 2007, 05:47:18 PM »

^
I attended parochial school, and that is where I learned about evolution. The school library had books on it, as well as geology and such. From what I recall we learned just a bit on the Gensis stories, but it was a minor part of the religous instruction. The big emphasis was the various New Testatment things about the teachings of Jesus, and the dogma, getting us ready for the sacraments. Evolution never even came up.

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Also, Catholocism recognizes that what the Bible teaches is moral or spiritual truths

That is a very good way of putting it.

But there is also there is that "folk Catholicsm", too. Yet this doesn't seem to conflict with evolution. Catholicsm seems to be really more oriented to the the New Testament and the saints and Mary, not so much on the Old Testament.

thomasbw · « **Reply #128 on:** April 28, 2007, 02:27:54 AM »

I went to two catholics schools that taught evolution, the big bang, actually I think the pope (previous pope) said evolution was in line with catholic teaching or something to that effect.

UncleRando · « **Reply #129 on:** April 29, 2007, 07:29:55 AM »

Museum sells education items
Answers in Genesis promotes creationism
BY WILLIAM CROYLE | WCROYLE@NKY.COM
April 29, 2007

PETERSBURG - A school science curriculum, PowerPoint presentations, children's books, DVDs, seminars, Internet courses and field trips are some of the educational features available, or available soon, from Answers in Genesis - and many are selling by the thousands.

The Petersburg-based organization that believes in the literal biblical story of how the world was created will open the $27 million Creation Museum here May 28.

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thomasbw · « **Reply #130 on:** April 29, 2007, 07:51:34 AM »

the title of the previous article is kind of funny

Jskinner · « **Reply #131 on:** April 30, 2007, 12:30:36 AM »

Doesn't it seem like there are an inordinate amount of articles written in the Enquirer about this museum? I mean who really cares about these wackos anyway? One article a year should suffice.

AmrapinVA · « **Reply #132 on:** April 30, 2007, 01:51:28 AM »

The problem with using Evolution is that it has holes that open up this rather ludicrous debate that the Universe is 8000 years old. Want one with no holes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_Light

The formula is a mathematical fact not a theory. If I were to believe in the 8000 year old theory....than I would ignore the fact the light travels at a speed of roughly 186,000 miles per second due to the fact we see stars way beyond the arc of 8000 light years. Or in other words....why send up the Hubble to do Deep Space Imaging when there should be nothing to see.

Also, I'm sure a fair amount of creationists use GPS in their cars or whatnot and they blog all over the net ont their computers. If they really believed in Creationism they should remove these items immediately, since it's accuracy is based on a mathematical model using the speed of light that proves their theory wrong.

The funny thing is I believe in God, but that museum is perputating a bunch of silly stuff that falls along the lines of "the earth is flat because the horizon is straight" bs from 600 years ago.

UncleRando · « **Reply #133 on:** April 30, 2007, 01:57:05 AM »

Quote from: AmrapinVA on April 30, 2007, 01:51:28 AM

The funny thing is I believe in God, but that museum is perputating a bunch of silly stuff that falls along the lines of "the earth is flat because the horizon is straight" bs from 600 years ago.

Well put!

UncleRando · « **Reply #134 on:** May 09, 2007, 10:17:55 PM »

Economic strategy a risk
Museum will rely on donors, regional appeal
BY ALEXANDER COOLIDGE | ACOOLIDGE@ENQUIRER.COM
May 10, 2007

PETERSBURG - Local tourism officials are confident the Creation Museum will attract hundreds of thousands visitors annually. But they are hesitant to quantify the economic benefits that the Petersburg attraction could bring to Greater Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky.

Museum officials project their site can draw at least 250,000 visitors in its first year. They also estimate the site will pump more than $16 million into the local economy as visitors stay in hotels, eat in restaurants and take in other attractions.

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UncleRando · « **Reply #135 on:** May 16, 2007, 05:58:41 AM »

Creation Museum petitioned
BY RYAN CLARK | RCLARK@NKY.COM
May 16, 2007

A national Web site known for opposing the religious right has started two petitions against the $27 million Answers in Genesis Creation Museum, set to open in Petersburg May 28.

The Campaign to Defend the Constitution, which on its Web site is defined as a "grassroots movement combating the growing power of the religious right," developed the petitions Tuesday. One is for educators, another for those outside educational fields, because they say the museum is focusing its beliefs on children, in the same way R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co. used its "Joe Camel" cartoon character to promote Camel cigarettes.

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For more information on the petitions, visit http://ga3.org/campaign/creationmuseum.

the pope · « **Reply #136 on:** May 17, 2007, 03:47:03 AM »

you guys got a shout out from the weekly zine here in cleveland....
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Chatter - Sucks Worse Than Genesis
Science, Schmience: Take a Field Trip To the Creation Museum!

Volume 15, Issue 1
Published May 9th, 2007

Jesus horses

And on the eighth day, God created douchebags. Enough douchebags, apparently, to build a 10,000 square-foot Creation Museum next to the Cincinnati airport, just across the border into Kentucky. Mark your advent calendars and pack your bags. This assault on science, reason, and common sense opens May 28.

UncleRando · « **Reply #137 on:** May 17, 2007, 06:32:37 AM »

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This assault on science, reason, and common sense opens May 28.

What a great piece...this was probably my favorite line out of the many good ones that were in there!

the pope · « **Reply #138 on:** May 17, 2007, 06:35:04 AM »

i was partial to the caption for the dinosaur.

Sherman Cahal · « **Reply #139 on:** May 17, 2007, 07:11:29 AM »

What a f$&king waste. I can't believe people actually believe this pile of steaming crap. I feel so sorry for America right now, while the rest of the world laughs at us.

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