Author Topic: Cleveland: Flats East Bank (Read 741562 times)

dar124 · « **Reply #4235 on:** June 29, 2012, 05:53:01 AM »

FEB webcam update.

http://www.flatseast.com/webcam.htm

urbanlife · « **Reply #4236 on:** June 29, 2012, 06:08:28 AM »

Here are a few from last night. You can see the roadway reconstruction near the water underway, as well as some sort of large concrete structure being formed, maybe a fountain or terraced planting area? I haven't seen good drawings of how this building will actually interact with the street.

surfohio · « **Reply #4237 on:** June 29, 2012, 07:02:45 AM »

Quote from: urbanlife on June 29, 2012, 06:08:28 AM

I haven't seen good drawings of how this building will actually interact with the street.

A point which I find nerve racking lol. The new building's lack of interaction with Main St. is a cause for concern.

ragarcia · « **Reply #4238 on:** July 12, 2012, 10:15:39 AM »

Some pics I took while out on my bike about a week ago:

ragarcia · « **Reply #4239 on:** July 15, 2012, 12:58:40 PM »

And some more from today.

ClevelandOhio · « **Reply #4240 on:** July 15, 2012, 01:03:18 PM »

Thanks! Its looking really good IMO

KJP · « **Reply #4241 on:** July 15, 2012, 04:15:09 PM »

I love the first two shots posted on the 12th. I dislike the last one from the 15th -- mainly because of the "hole" in the foreground......

clvlndr · « **Reply #4242 on:** July 15, 2012, 04:59:41 PM »

Coming along quite nicely... sure hope Wolstein can secure financing for Phase II, FEB really needs this to fill out the current footprint so we can move forward with other riverfront/lakefront development...

mrnyc · « **Reply #4243 on:** July 16, 2012, 12:56:27 AM »

yeah i hope they get financing together for the next phase too. most of the abandoned or delayed projects here in ny are being revived lately, although they are having to use creative consortiums of investors, but hopefully thats a good sign that banks and investors are more willing as long as the risk is spread around.

musky · « **Reply #4244 on:** July 16, 2012, 05:01:32 AM »

Quote from: KJP on July 15, 2012, 04:15:09 PM

I dislike the last one from the 15th -- mainly because of the "hole" in the foreground......

You mean this one?

I actually love this shot
(remixed by me)

MayDay · « **Reply #4245 on:** July 16, 2012, 01:38:56 PM »

Folks, posts have been removed - while we would all love to see the surface lots close to Public Square developed, that's not a discussion for this thread. The developers of Flats East Bank don't own those lots, don't have a say as to how/when they get developed, and so, there's no point (other than venting an off-topic sentiment that we all share) to say "I wish this was being built ______ instead of where it is".

dave68 · « **Reply #4246 on:** July 17, 2012, 06:46:07 PM »

http://www.sierraus.com/commercial/office-retail-property-flats-east-bank-cleveland/

this website has further descriptions of the phase 2 plans along with another rendering of The Aloft Hotel and Ernst & Young Tower entrance plaza

jjames0408 · « **Reply #4247 on:** July 17, 2012, 10:35:54 PM »

Ummmm....380,000 workers?

? Where did they get that number?

gotribe · « **Reply #4248 on:** July 18, 2012, 12:06:54 AM »

It says "now leasing phase 2". Is that new? Also, are these apartments or Condo's?

bjk · « **Reply #4249 on:** July 18, 2012, 12:15:26 AM »

Quote from: jjames0408 on July 17, 2012, 10:35:54 PM

Ummmm....380,000 workers?? Where did they get that number?

Well, they didn't say which downtown....

jjames0408 · « **Reply #4250 on:** July 18, 2012, 12:43:21 AM »

This website just seems off. Saying now leasing phase two with no information on phase two and then 380,000 downtown workers. Gotribe: Those will be apartments but I've never seen anything prelease even before floor plans are released.

ClevelandOhio · « **Reply #4251 on:** July 18, 2012, 02:34:52 AM »

thats the best rendering that shows how it will interact with main.

And 380,000 works? Thats more like the city population!

McLovin · « **Reply #4252 on:** July 18, 2012, 02:40:10 AM »

Quote from: dave68 on July 17, 2012, 06:46:07 PM

http://www.sierraus.com/commercial/office-retail-property-flats-east-bank-cleveland/

this website has further descriptions of the phase 2 plans along with another rendering of The Aloft Hotel and Ernst & Young Tower entrance plaza

Gorgeous

McLovin · « **Reply #4253 on:** July 18, 2012, 02:42:50 AM »

Has there been any national retailers that have agreed to sign on to phase 1 at least let alone phase 2?

jjames0408 · « **Reply #4254 on:** July 18, 2012, 04:21:40 AM »

Here is the list of confirmed tenants: New tenants will include Toby Keith’s I love This Bar & Grill, Ken Stewart’s, Lago, Flip Side and Dos Tequilas. I can see some holding out to see what is happening with phase two before they make a decision.

surfohio · « **Reply #4255 on:** July 18, 2012, 05:08:35 AM »

Quote from: ClevelandOhio on July 18, 2012, 02:34:52 AM

thats the best rendering that shows how it will interact with main.

By the looks of the real photo, it doesn't look like there will be any windows fronting Main (vs. as it's depicted on website).
http://www.sierraus.com/commercial/office-retail-property-flats-east-bank-cleveland/

Paul in Cleveland · « **Reply #4256 on:** July 18, 2012, 05:41:45 AM »

Love the new rendering. But can't get past the BS of the 380k number. That's like 2 Browns games, 3 Indians games and 6 Cavs games all sold out and being held concurrently. Imagine the rush hour issues. Not to mention where do a sizable fraction of 380k people park? LOL.

ClevelandOhio · « **Reply #4257 on:** July 18, 2012, 05:58:48 AM »

Quote from: surfohio on July 18, 2012, 05:08:35 AM

Quote from: ClevelandOhio on July 18, 2012, 02:34:52 AM
thats the best rendering that shows how it will interact with main.

By the looks of the real photo, it doesn't look like there will be any windows fronting Main (vs. as it's depicted on website).
http://www.sierraus.com/commercial/office-retail-property-flats-east-bank-cleveland/

Here is a rendering I posted awhile back.

It appears to match both the real picture and the other rendering posted above.

surfohio · « **Reply #4258 on:** July 18, 2012, 06:52:00 AM »

^ Right. Seems they've abandoned the large window.

There's no way around it. They dropped the ball here. It looks like a brutalist concrete bunker circa 1970. The Flats/WH District are supposed to be pedestrian oriented.

I will say if the new website image is to be believed, I'll echo your sentiments that the frontage further up the hill on Main is much much better.

ClevelandOhio · « **Reply #4259 on:** July 18, 2012, 07:03:59 AM »

^ What large window?

Htsguy · « **Reply #4260 on:** July 18, 2012, 07:07:34 AM »

^I had the same question.

surfohio · « **Reply #4261 on:** July 18, 2012, 07:10:24 AM »

The ground floor window fronting Main, as seen here lower right:

http://www.sierraus.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/render-main-avenue.jpg

trav · « **Reply #4262 on:** July 18, 2012, 07:24:12 AM »

You mean that window? See Attached.

jjames0408 · « **Reply #4263 on:** July 18, 2012, 08:23:30 AM »

The fact that there is no window right there doesn't bother me as much as that weird concrete space between the building and the sidewalk. I can't see what that is mean to be.

outjet · « **Reply #4264 on:** July 18, 2012, 08:24:05 AM »

This picture from mrclifton88's June 11 2012 post shows that detail in reality

ClevelandOhio · « **Reply #4265 on:** July 18, 2012, 08:29:43 AM »

Quote from: jjames0408 on July 18, 2012, 08:23:30 AM

The fact that there is no window right there doesn't bother me as much as that weird concrete space between the building and the sidewalk. I can't see what that is mean to be.

Looks like steps possibly. I dont mind the larger "setback" inorder to put the windows and rooms a little bit further away from the highway above, and for more natural light.

ragarcia · « **Reply #4266 on:** July 18, 2012, 09:24:59 AM »

Quote from: KJP on July 15, 2012, 04:15:09 PM

I love the first two shots posted on the 12th. I dislike the last one from the 15th -- mainly because of the "hole" in the foreground......

Yeah, that "hole" brings me nearly to tears every time I see or walk through it.

surfohio · « **Reply #4267 on:** July 18, 2012, 09:58:38 AM »

Quote from: trav on July 18, 2012, 07:24:12 AM

You mean that window? See Attached.

Exactly. A best case scenario would be retail storefronts all along there. You have to think that sidewalk between WHD and FEB will get a great deal of pedestrian activity.

Plus, I can't pull it up on google, but if you look across Main St. at the lower level of the Terminal Apartments, they could also re- open up the brick for windows or maybe even storefronts.

I have the feeling that at night that's going to continue to be a foreboding stretch to walk down. But it doesn't have to be. It could be a really cool little street like E. 4th, and not just a glorified driveway.

ClevelandOhio · « **Reply #4268 on:** July 18, 2012, 10:08:22 AM »

Quote from: surfohio on July 18, 2012, 09:58:38 AM

Quote from: trav on July 18, 2012, 07:24:12 AM
You mean that window? See Attached.

Exactly. A best case scenario would be retail storefronts all along there. You have to think that sidewalk between WHD and FEB will get a great deal of pedestrian activity.

Plus, I can't pull it up on google, but if you look across Main St. at the lower level of the Terminal Apartments, they could also re- open up the brick for windows or maybe even storefronts.

They probably want to be somewhat away from the street to bring in natural light and mainly because they dont want their windows and building right next to a highway. I like the distance because it does allow natural light to shine in during the day, instead of making it dark 24/7

Also there is no sidewalk on the side of the older building because it is all used for bridge supports.

surfohio · « **Reply #4269 on:** July 18, 2012, 10:45:49 AM »

Quote from: ClevelandOhio on July 18, 2012, 10:08:22 AM

They probably want to be somewhat away from the street to bring in natural light and mainly because they dont want their windows and building right next to a highway. I like the distance because it does allow natural light to shine in during the day, instead of making it dark 24/7

I believe that's an excellent point for the higher floors. I don't mind the setbacks at all. But what it is now at ground floor - a windowless bunker - it neither lets in any light, nor is it good design from a sidewalk perspective.

Anyhow, I'm disappointed in the design because FEB continues an "anti-sidewalk" trend that started in the West Bank. At least in regard to the lower Main St. portion of the new building. I'm more optimistic about the west face of the building.

I think this will be my last post on the subject. I just don't like it so far. I bike through downtown every day and most of it is dead space such as parking garages or windowless walls. As a general rule I think every bit of sidewalk should be welcoming and safe, with "eyes on the street" especially in our premier entertainment areas. For now I'll quit the negativity and wait until the place is actually finished.

News:

Author Topic: Cleveland: Flats East Bank (Read 741562 times)