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DanB
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Yeah, as if the Taliban wasn't empowered before we got there.
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EagleFan
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The Taliban may be more empowered than this time last year, but that is because of a US President that does not have the balls to make a tough decision to fortify.
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kingfish out of water
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No, we have a president with the brains to grasp the complexity of the operation and the balls to authorize more deadly force against the Taliban in his first year than Bush did in 7. Or to put a finer pine on it, Obama authorized more Predator Drone hits on high-value Taliban targets in his first 9 1/2 months than did Bush in his final 3 years. Source: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/10/26/091026fa_fact_mayer
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Hts121
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Now you're hitting them with facts KOOW. Play nice.
I don't know much about Afghanistan, but I do know that Afghanistan was a mess before we invaded, it has been a mess since we set up our occupation and it is going to be a mess long after we leave.
The strategy after 9/11 should have been hit them and hit them hard and (key word) quick. This nonsense of prolonged occupation and forced democracy is just silly. If history has taught the world anything over the millenia, you might as well invade Russia before you try to occupy this forsaken land. Continued prolonged occupation will result in nothing but more dead American soldiers.
I really hope Obama realizes this and makes decisions going forward accordingly.
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eastvillagedon
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No, we have a president with the brains to grasp the complexity of the operation and the balls to authorize more deadly force against the Taliban in his first year than Bush did in 7. Or to put a finer pine on it, Obama authorized more Predator Drone hits on high-value Taliban targets in his first 9 1/2 months than did Bush in his final 3 years.
Source: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/10/26/091026fa_fact_mayer
I'm surprised you would support such a warmonger.
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EagleFan
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No, we have a president with the brains to grasp the complexity of the operation and the balls to authorize more deadly force against the Taliban in his first year than Bush did in 7. Or to put a finer pine on it, Obama authorized more Predator Drone hits on high-value Taliban targets in his first 9 1/2 months than did Bush in his final 3 years.
Source: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/10/26/091026fa_fact_mayer
I'm surprised you would support such a warmonger.
Particularly one pushing ethical, legal, and moral boundaries. 
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kingfish out of water
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I find it abhorrent; just addressing the "Balls" issue.
And I quote DanB:
"Whatever works!"
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The Taliban may be more empowered than this time last year, but that is because of a US President that does not have the balls to make a tough decision to fortify.
Wow, how about Bush's balls then? Must be pretty shriveled considering all he did for Afghanistan. Let's not confuse bluster with courage, and let's not confuse courage with sound military planning.
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Boreas
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Dick Cheney, David Brooks and others urge the president to man up. Why is foreign policy always about machismo? by Gene Lyons ... Obama may not then have understood how bad things were in that remote corner of Asia historically designated "the graveyard of empires," nor his Washington foes' willingness to put party over country for short-term political advantage. Any doubts ought to have been resolved by the recent contributions of the Cheneys, father and daughter. ... First came former Vice President Dick Cheney, architect of today's failing policy. To "Big Time," everything boils down, as everything always does, to a question of toughness. "The White House," he announced, "must stop dithering while America's armed forces are in danger." Coming from a guy who spent eight years in a hidden bunker, it's remarkable hearing a White House policy review described as "waffling." On cue, Washington's influential corps of Keyboard Commandos demanded a quick end to strategic thinking. Charles Krauthammer, David Brooks, Max Boot, the lot of them, ... it does get old hearing this cohort of Ivy League toughs -- most of whom one suspects haven't had even a fistfight since third grade -- describe every U.S. foreign policy issue as a testosterone test. One suspects it may not be Obama's virility they're worried about. ...more Democratic polemic at:... http://salon.com/news/opinion/feature/2009/11/04/obama
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EagleFan
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Obama will have a press conference at 2:30 for anyone who wants to hear his comments on the Fort Hood tragedy. I don't know if he had time to comment yesterday with his busy schedule. I have a friend on the base and several family members who have served in the Middle East. They face such horrific situations over there, but we'd all like to think they are safe over here. My heart goes out to all the victims. Kudos to two young ladies for their heroic actons: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33717790/ns/us_news-tragedy_at_fort_hood/
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diaspora
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Obama will have a press conference at 2:30 for anyone who wants to hear his comments on the Fort Hood tragedy. I don't know if he had time to comment yesterday with his busy schedule.
I watched Obama's press conference yesterday evening...probably around 5:00...where he addressed it. His comments were appropriate and thoughtful, in my opinion.
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Obama will have a press conference at 2:30 for anyone who wants to hear his comments on the Fort Hood tragedy. I don't know if he had time to comment yesterday with his busy schedule.
I watched Obama's press conference yesterday evening...probably around 5:00...where he addressed it. His comments were appropriate and thoughtful, in my opinion.
I didn't see the press conference yesterday, but I've seen that there's been some "outrage" to the order of his statements. Apparently he started off the press conference by closing out the conference that was held today in regards to American Tribes or some such thing? Apparently he went from a very light hearted President to a somber, mournful one very quickly. A little too quickly for some I guess. He probably should have spoke about the shooting first, but I don't think it's that big of a deal.
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EagleFan
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Obama will have a press conference at 2:30 for anyone who wants to hear his comments on the Fort Hood tragedy. I don't know if he had time to comment yesterday with his busy schedule.
I watched Obama's press conference yesterday evening...probably around 5:00...where he addressed it. His comments were appropriate and thoughtful, in my opinion.
Went right from work to Cavs last night, so I must have missed it. I do believe he will make sure the effort is made to try to make sense of it all and revise psycological screening and pysical security security measures if necessary.
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diaspora
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I didn't see the press conference yesterday, but I've seen that there's been some "outrage" to the order of his statements. Apparently he started off the press conference by closing out the conference that was held today in regards to American Tribes or some such thing? Apparently he went from a very light hearted President to a somber, mournful one very quickly. A little too quickly for some I guess.
He probably should have spoke about the shooting first, but I don't think it's that big of a deal.
He did speak to the people that were gathered, i guess it was something about native americans...i'm not sure why...maybe he was scheduled to give a speech to them anyway and it was the best available venue at the moment. I didn't think he was inappropriate in any way. he thanked them for doing what they were there to do and that...but then moved into the somber news story. It would have been more inappropriate to give the press conference to them without mentioning it. might have ended up being his "my pet goat" story. The only person that i thought acted inappropriately was Gov. Rick Perry...held a long press conference when clearly he didn't know anything and wasn't going to be told anything because he has no authority on the base. He didn't know any more than I did.
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eastvillagedon
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Obama will have a press conference at 2:30 for anyone who wants to hear his comments on the Fort Hood tragedy. I don't know if he had time to comment yesterday with his busy schedule.
I have a friend on the base and several family members who have served in the Middle East. They face such horrific situations over there, but we'd all like to think they are safe over here. My heart goes out to all the victims. Kudos to two young ladies for their heroic actons: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33717790/ns/us_news-tragedy_at_fort_hood/
Unless the President gets down to brass tacks and addresses what yesterday’s shooting was really all about—radical Islam—I would just as soon not waste time on it. Hopefully some intrepid reporter (there must be at least one left in America!) worthy of being called a journalist will have the guts to pursue it.
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Grumpy
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Obama will have a press conference at 2:30 for anyone who wants to hear his comments on the Fort Hood tragedy. I don't know if he had time to comment yesterday with his busy schedule.
I have a friend on the base and several family members who have served in the Middle East. They face such horrific situations over there, but we'd all like to think they are safe over here. My heart goes out to all the victims. Kudos to two young ladies for their heroic actons: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33717790/ns/us_news-tragedy_at_fort_hood/
Unless the President gets down to brass tacks and addresses what yesterday’s shooting was really all about—radical Islam—I would just as soon not waste time on it. Hopefully some intrepid reporter (there must be at least one left in America!) worthy of being called a journalist will have the guts to pursue it.
I doubt too many reporters/news organizations would persue that line of thought for fear of being considered bigoted/racist.
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Civvik
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I am curious to know why Fox wouldn't release the shooter's name until long after the other networks. Aside from their broadcast being exceptionally reverential to the military, I wonder what the deal was with that one? Political?
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eastvillagedon
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Obama will have a press conference at 2:30 for anyone who wants to hear his comments on the Fort Hood tragedy. I don't know if he had time to comment yesterday with his busy schedule.
I have a friend on the base and several family members who have served in the Middle East. They face such horrific situations over there, but we'd all like to think they are safe over here. My heart goes out to all the victims. Kudos to two young ladies for their heroic actons: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33717790/ns/us_news-tragedy_at_fort_hood/
Unless the President gets down to brass tacks and addresses what yesterday’s shooting was really all about—radical Islam—I would just as soon not waste time on it. Hopefully some intrepid reporter (there must be at least one left in America!) worthy of being called a journalist will have the guts to pursue it.
I doubt too many reporters/news organizations would persue that line of thought for fear of being considered bigoted/racist.
well, if they don't this time, then we might as well fold up the country and turn out the lights. If something this horrific doesn't finally turn the tide against all the p.c. b.s. that's turned us into a nation of wusses over the past generation, then nothing will.
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shs96
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Obama will have a press conference at 2:30 for anyone who wants to hear his comments on the Fort Hood tragedy. I don't know if he had time to comment yesterday with his busy schedule.
I have a friend on the base and several family members who have served in the Middle East. They face such horrific situations over there, but we'd all like to think they are safe over here. My heart goes out to all the victims. Kudos to two young ladies for their heroic actons: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33717790/ns/us_news-tragedy_at_fort_hood/
Unless the President gets down to brass tacks and addresses what yesterday’s shooting was really all about—radical Islam—I would just as soon not waste time on it. Hopefully some intrepid reporter (there must be at least one left in America!) worthy of being called a journalist will have the guts to pursue it.
I doubt too many reporters/news organizations would persue that line of thought for fear of being considered bigoted/racist.
Yeah, if a reporter were to start pursing that line of thought after a Mulsim killed innocent American soldiers while screaming "Allahu Akbar"...I mean, they must be racist! There are no signs that warrant that line of thought!
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diaspora
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I think they need to focus on getting the facts straight before they come to the conclusion that this was the result of radical islam. There is a lot of confusion as to what happened. They're not even ruling out the possibility that several of the wounded were hit with "friendly fire."
This doesn't need to devolve into an argument over religion. First, the military authorities need to focus on what happened.
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eastvillagedon
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I think they need to focus on getting the facts straight before they come to the conclusion that this was the result of radical islam. There is a lot of confusion as to what happened. They're not even ruling out the possibility that several of the wounded were hit with "friendly fire."
This doesn't need to devolve into an argument over religion. First, the military authorities need to focus on what happened.
the guy yelled "Allah Akbar" before he started the massacre!! (Am I living in some parallel universe??)
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kingfish out of water
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Everything that is known about the shooter points away from elaborate Muslim plot and directly at the actions of a Lee Harvey Oswald-type. Either way, conspiracy theorists rejoice!
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Hts121
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Unless the President gets down to brass tacks and addresses what yesterday’s shooting was really all about—radical Islam—I would just as soon not waste time on it. Hopefully some intrepid reporter (there must be at least one left in America!) worthy of being called a journalist will have the guts to pursue it.
Even at a time like this, you never pass up a chance to score political points EVD, do you? FWIW, EVERY story I have read on this shooting has pursued that angle, especially considering that the gunman allegedly yelled the commonly used (by islamic militants) "Alluha Akbar" when he opened fire. The real issue is how in the world this man was ever allowed to enlist in the military and/or keep his status once it became obvious (or even suggested) that he had radical leanings... whatever form they took. No radical - black, white, muslim, whatever - should be allowed to serve and we need a better screening process apparently. I am curious to know why Fox wouldn't release the shooter's name until long after the other networks. Aside from their broadcast being exceptionally reverential to the military, I wonder what the deal was with that one? Political?
They are too pre-occupied with trying to find a way, any way to pin this on Obama.
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eastvillagedon
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Everything that is known about the shooter points away from elaborate Muslim plot and directly at the actions of a Lee Harvey Oswald-type. Either way, conspiracy theorists rejoice!
nobody said anything about an "elaborate Muslim plot." One person acting as a loner can still hold radical convictions characteristic of a much larger group--as perhaps happened in this case--and still cause widespread death and destruction, as we witnessed.
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kingfish out of water
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The real issue is how in the world this man was ever allowed to enlist in the military and/or keep his status once it became obvious (or even suggested) that he had radical leanings... whatever form they took. No radical - black, white, muslim, whatever - should be allowed to serve and we need a better screening process apparently.
Well, at least it would appear he is not a homosexual.
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diaspora
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the guy yelled "Allah Akbar" before he started the massacre!! (Am I living in some parallel universe??)
As of right now that is an unconfirmed rumor that could prove to be true or not. before anyone starts condemning entire religions it's important to get the facts straight.
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MyTwoSense
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The real issue is how in the world this man was ever allowed to enlist in the military and/or keep his status once it became obvious (or even suggested) that he had radical leanings... whatever form they took. No radical - black, white, muslim, whatever - should be allowed to serve and we need a better screening process apparently.
Well, at least it would appear he is not a homosexual.
Honey, we wouldn't claim him!
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Grumpy
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"Allah Akbar" simply means "God is great" and is not used exclusively by extremists.
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eastvillagedon
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Unless the President gets down to brass tacks and addresses what yesterday’s shooting was really all about—radical Islam—I would just as soon not waste time on it. Hopefully some intrepid reporter (there must be at least one left in America!) worthy of being called a journalist will have the guts to pursue it.
Even at a time like this, you never pass up a chance to score political points EVD, do you?
FWIW, EVERY story I have read on this shooting has pursued that angle, especially considering that the gunman allegedly yelled the commonly used (by islamic militants) "Alluha Akbar" when he opened fire.
The real issue is how in the world this man was ever allowed to enlist in the military and/or keep his status once it became obvious (or even suggested) that he had radical leanings... whatever form they took. No radical - black, white, muslim, whatever - should be allowed to serve and we need a better screening process apparently.
I am curious to know why Fox wouldn't release the shooter's name until long after the other networks. Aside from their broadcast being exceptionally reverential to the military, I wonder what the deal was with that one? Political?
They are too pre-occupied with trying to find a way, any way to pin this on Obama.
 believe it or not, not everything is an anti-Obama conspiracy; sometimes, when a national tragedy like this occurs, we just want honesty and facts!! okay?
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