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« Reply #140 on: December 01, 2008, 05:48:39 PM »
so I guess every mayor, commisionner, council person, etc. across the country should never have their name/picture attached to a (x) product/service?

No, they should commission busts of themselves like Roman emperors. 

Of course they shouldn't!!!  Great day in the morning, I can't believe this discussion is taking place.  The office is bigger than the individual holding it.  The office deserves more respect.  That's argument B.  Argument A is that it's completely inappropriate to self-aggrandize with money intended for the peoples' work.  It's theft.  We pay the auditor's office to ensure the gas pumps are properly calibrated.  We pay for stickers to memorialize the inspection.  We do not pay this guy to print 10,000 pictures of his face!

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« Reply #141 on: December 01, 2008, 05:50:04 PM »
so I guess every mayor, commissioner, council person, etc. across the country should never have their name/picture attached to a (x) product/service?

No, they should commission busts of themselves like Roman emperors. 

Of course they shouldn't!!!  Great day in the morning, I can't believe this discussion is taking place.  The office is bigger than the individual holding it.  The office deserves more respect.  That's argument B.  Argument A is that it's completely inappropriate to self-aggrandize with money intended for the peoples' work.  It's theft.  We pay the auditor's office to ensure the gas pumps are properly calibrated.  We pay for stickers to memorialize the inspection.  We do not pay this guy to print 10,000 pictures of his face!

Prove your case.  All I hear is reasonable doubt.
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« Reply #142 on: December 01, 2008, 07:25:01 PM »
so I guess every mayor, commisionner, council person, etc. across the country should never have their name/picture attached to a (x) product/service?

No, they should commission busts of themselves like Roman emperors. 

Of course they shouldn't!!!  Great day in the morning, I can't believe this discussion is taking place.  The office is bigger than the individual holding it.  The office deserves more respect.  That's argument B.  Argument A is that it's completely inappropriate to self-aggrandize with money intended for the peoples' work.  It's theft.  We pay the auditor's office to ensure the gas pumps are properly calibrated.  We pay for stickers to memorialize the inspection.  We do not pay this guy to print 10,000 pictures of his face!

True.  But the "additions" one sometimes sees, particularly the jail bars since the scandal broke, are pretty damn funny.
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« Reply #143 on: December 01, 2008, 07:44:13 PM »
I think what you mean is I'm making allegations without backing them up.  I'm a citizen who feels ripped off.  I'm not the prosecutor and I'm not levying actual charges.  If I were, I would start with RC 2921.41 and 2913.02(A)(2).  The former defines theft in office, while the latter forbids exerting control over property beyond the scope of its owners' express or implied consent.  His campaign owns his campaign materials, while the county owns the inspection stickers.  It could be argued that the county's (i.e. people's) consent for putting personal images on county property at county cost has never been given.  Then again, it could be argued that it has.   

Edit:  I misspoke, he doesn't personally own his campaign materials, his campaign does.  Same difference.  The cost of printing all those pictures should not be covered with tax money.
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« Reply #144 on: December 01, 2008, 10:47:14 PM »
What picture appears on the ballot?

None, but if his did, I'd be upset at having paid for that too.  I'm not sure what you're getting at.  Clear electoral advantage is gained from people associating his smiling face with the role of auditor.  That is a job for campaign ads, not for gas pumps with captive audiences.  When Swartzenegger ran for governor, California TV stations could not show his movies because doing so would have given him free face-time his opponent wasn't getting.  This was premised on the idea that public face-time has an inherent campaign value.

What I'm saying is that name recognition is a bigger factor in the voting booth than knowing what someone looks like. And every county auditor in Ohio gets their name on gas pumps, and even some mayors including Cleveland's Frank Jackson -- whoever oversees the weights and measures staff. If you want to make a legit beef, having the mayors names on the pump inspections is a huge stretch since he doesn't directly oversee the weights and measures staff. An auditor oversees the director of said staff; a mayor oversees a departmental director who oversee the bureau or office of weights and measures. Why does the mayor's name end up on the gas pump? Name recognition.

Now can we please get back to a discussion of THE CUYAHOGA COUNTY COMMISSIONERS?!?!?!
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« Reply #145 on: December 03, 2008, 10:38:27 AM »
I realize eveyone hates the Cuyahoga County Commissioners, but some of this is way off base.

1.  Ohio is not the only state that has the county auditor, or some form of auditor, picture or name/seal of approval on gas pumps.  In fact, almost every state has this...similar to being required by law to display your food service license.  So get over that.  If you don't want to have the "tax payer paid free publicity/campaign advertsing/slap in the face" then change the law requiring fuel pumps to be inspected or to have that inspection prominantly displayed.

2.  The original PD article is filled with statements that are just wrong.  Funny how we are very critical of the PD for doing "poor journalism" on many other articles, but in articles where the Urban Ohio Message Board has the same general opinion being presented in the article, the PD and its journalistic integrity is miraculously spot on.  Did it ever occur to you that the same poor journalistic habits seen in other articles are on display here? 

Knowing personally many of the people listed in the article, I can assure you no one from the PD contacted them to have them confirm statements made by other people - they basically took their word for it and moved on.  Some of the accusations are flat out lies.


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« Reply #146 on: December 03, 2008, 12:25:00 PM »
I realize eveyone hates the Cuyahoga County Commissioners, but some of this is way off base.

I agree, and I think it's because its socially acceptable to pick on Italians.  You know of course, that all Italians have ties to the Mafia.  I only have to make one phone call!
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« Reply #147 on: December 03, 2008, 12:33:01 PM »
1.  Ohio is not the only state that has the county auditor, or some form of auditor, picture or name/seal of approval on gas pumps.  In fact, almost every state has this...similar to being required by law to display your food service license.  So get over that.  If you don't want to have the "tax payer paid free publicity/campaign advertsing/slap in the face" then change the law requiring fuel pumps to be inspected or to have that inspection prominantly displayed.
Seriously?  The way to not have Russo's name and face plastered on every gas pump is to not inspect them at all?  :roll:

I remember when the prominent word accross the center of the sticker read "Inspected".  Now it reads "Frank Russo".  Who authorized that change?  :police:
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« Reply #148 on: December 03, 2008, 12:34:22 PM »
I realize eveyone hates the Cuyahoga County Commissioners, but some of this is way off base.

Speak for yourself, not me.  Thank you.  ;)
 
 
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« Reply #149 on: December 03, 2008, 12:49:26 PM »
There's a big difference between the inspection stickers you see everywhere and these that have a politician's picture on them.  Why doesn't every inspection department include a portrait on their stickers?  Because it costs a lot more money than a text-only sticker!

Next time you get gas, look at the greyscale in those things.  It's intricate enough to slow down the printing process and increase the reject percentage by quite a bit, not to mention additional art time.  I used to set pricing at a printing company, so I'm not making all this up.

I have no problem with the name of the responsible party appearing on the sticker.  That is pretty much universal.  It serves a purpose (whose office do I call), and as basic text it adds zero to the stickers' cost.  The picture is very different.  It's rare if not unique in the inspection-sticker universe, its purpose is essentially political, and it jacks up the sticker cost.           

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« Reply #150 on: December 03, 2008, 02:19:18 PM »
It serves a purpose (whose office do I call),
I think the name of the office is all that needs to be on there.  Outlaw the personal names altogether...
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« Reply #151 on: December 03, 2008, 02:42:38 PM »
1.  Ohio is not the only state that has the county auditor, or some form of auditor, picture or name/seal of approval on gas pumps.  In fact, almost every state has this...similar to being required by law to display your food service license.  So get over that.  If you don't want to have the "tax payer paid free publicity/campaign advertsing/slap in the face" then change the law requiring fuel pumps to be inspected or to have that inspection prominantly displayed.
Seriously?  The way to not have Russo's name and face plastered on every gas pump is to not inspect them at all?  :roll:

I remember when the prominent word accross the center of the sticker read "Inspected".  Now it reads "Frank Russo".  Who authorized that change?  :police:

I mentioned alternatives:

Change the law requiring fuel pumps to be inspected or to have that inspection prominantly displayed

Hang it inside then instead of at each pump.  But still, I didn't know a picture, as opposed to simply his name, was so much more powerful...as if voters who would be swayed with that kind of thing wouldn't just as easily remember his name alone, with or without a picture.

Besides, the "power" in Cuyahoga County is not with Russo or Dimora.  The power is with the Democratic Party.  The leaders of the party may change over time, but it's the people of of Cleveland (and their political views) who ultimately give the party its power.  Remember Russo became Auditor after McCormack (whose name was also at the pump) won the Commissioner seat - Russo was appointed.  Dimora was Mayor of the ever so highly populated Bedford Heights (pop 11,000) before he became Commissioner.  How do you think they won their susbsequent elections (or re-election in the case of Russo)?  Because the political machine that is the Democratic Party got them elected.

This whole "Russo / DiMora" network of politicians/government officials is not so much thier doing, but the doing of the Democratic Party...the same organization that has had a strong hold on the region since who knows when...longer than I've been keeping track.  They were simply next in line.  You want to be elected in Cuyahoga County?  You need the backing of the Democratic Party.  And even then, many Republican mayors became quick to befriend the leaders of the Democratic Party because without them, they knew they were in trouble.  I know of a few who are registered Republicans to appease their constituants, but are just as much a part of the Democratic Party political machine as anyone else.
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« Reply #152 on: December 22, 2008, 09:36:54 PM »
KJP, any theories?  Condolences to her family.
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Rosemary Vinci found dead; county employee had ties to Jimmy Dimora and Frank Russo
Posted by Henry Gomez, Mark Puenta and Joe Guillen / Plain Dealer Reporters December 22, 2008 21:01PM

Rosemary Vinci, the mysterious former strip club manager and close ally of Cuyahoga County Commissioner Jimmy Dimora and County Auditor Frank Russo, was found dead in her home Monday, the county coroner said.
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« Reply #153 on: December 22, 2008, 09:46:53 PM »
wait isn't she involved or some how connected to in the "scandal"?? 
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« Reply #154 on: December 22, 2008, 10:43:58 PM »
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« Reply #155 on: December 23, 2008, 01:28:31 PM »
KJP, any theories?  Condolences to her family.


I won't theorize until the coroner issues his report.

wait isn't she involved or some how connected to in the "scandal"?? 

Yes, she was.
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« Reply #156 on: December 23, 2008, 02:44:37 PM »
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/12/coroner_blames_blocked_artery.html

Coroner blames blocked artery for Rosemary Vinci's death
Posted by Henry J. Gomez/Plain Dealer Reporter December 23, 2008 13:40PM

Cuyahoga County employee Rosemary Vinci died of a blocked coronary artery, according to a preliminary autopsy report released this afternoon by the county coroner's office.

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« Reply #157 on: December 24, 2008, 08:50:12 AM »
Saw this on cleveland.com... rather odd that one says "ruling not expected" and another says "here's the ruling!" :?

Articles posted on cleveland.com are typically done so by reporters. Old/inaccurrate articles can be deleted but not by the reporter. We have to go through a couple of levels of our own newspaper management to get the OK to contact cleveland.com staff so they can delete old/inaccurate articles. That assumes everyone is in their offices, gets the phone call/e-mail right away or isn't on vacation. And sometimes it assumes that we even remember what was in the old/inaccurate article. If we don't, we don't remember that it needs to be changed. Some just don't want to be bothered with it since we're asked to do so much more these days than just research and write articles (ie: take/submit photos, write/submit blog items, write briefs on every local yahoo, etc.).
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« Reply #158 on: February 11, 2009, 10:52:22 AM »
Glad to see the PD is getting closer to the mob links in this story. But I think they have the wrong Tom Patton -- the real Tom Patton is an insurance guy who was nabbed for corruption involving insurance contract with the City of Lorain in the early 1990s....

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/02/county_in_crisis_fbi_demands_p.html

FBI goes after Parma school district files in Cuyahoga County corruption probe
Posted by John Caniglia, Amanda Garrett and Rachel Dissell/Plain Dealer Reporters
February 11, 2009 07:16AM

Federal agents working on the Cuyahoga County corruption investigation expanded their focus yet again last week, demanding documents about Parma city schools' dealings with a state senator, a former Lakewood mayor and businesses that made more than $25 million from the cash-strapped district over the past eight years.

FBI agents delivered a subpoena last week to the district, which serves children in Parma, Parma Heights and Seven Hills. While prosecutors have not revealed the focus of the probe, the subpoena makes this much clear: Investigators want to know who made money when J. Kevin Kelley was school board president.

The subpoena seeks documents connected to a web of Kelley's friends, including his cousin, Ohio Sen. Thomas Patton.

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« Reply #159 on: February 19, 2009, 09:46:06 PM »
I can't begin to tell you how much I'm enjoying reading these names as they come up. Rusty Masetta goes back 10 years for me when I ran the Clevelandmob.com site. I'll post an article that was sent to me back then. Geez, I'm tempted to start a Cleveland Mafia thread here at UO!
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Federal agents raiding Bedford offices as part of public corruption probe
Posted by John Caniglia/Plain Dealer Reporter February 19, 2009 09:11AM

Federal agents investigating public corruption in Cuyahoga County this morning are raiding the Bedford office of a flooring company and a Bedford Heights warehouse that is used by the flooring company.

Agents with the FBI and Internal Revenue Service, armed with search warrants, are at Nature Stone flooring at 15 N. Park St. in Bedford and at the warehouse at 24300 Solon Road in Bedford Heights.

The agents aren't saying what they are looking for, but Russ Masetta, the owner of Nature Stone, was named on a list of items seized last August from county Commissioner Jimmy Dimora's offices.

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« Reply #160 on: February 19, 2009, 10:03:59 PM »
The last time it flared up in Warren was about 10 years ago.  There were several killings and they had to have a guy testify from prison.  Lenny Strollo.  I can't remember if he was the guy killed, the killer, or the one testifying.  Prior to that the last big thing was Joey Naples getting snipered in Canfield, 1991.  I used to remember which ones were on which sides but it's been years since that stuff was in the news.

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« Reply #161 on: February 19, 2009, 10:10:36 PM »
BTW, the two Milano brothers mentioned in the article are the sons of Frank Milano who ran the Cleveland Mafia in the 1930s. Masetta married into the family and now he's doing work for cash for Commissioner Dimora and Auditor Russo. Yep, but I'm sure it's all legit......
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« Reply #162 on: February 24, 2009, 08:50:32 AM »
BTW, the two Milano brothers mentioned in the article are the sons of Frank Milano who ran the Cleveland Mafia in the 1930s. Masetta married into the family and now he's doing work for cash for Commissioner Dimora and Auditor Russo. Yep, but I'm sure it's all legit......

When is doing work for cash illegal?  Should they pay him in gift certificates? 

Again, always fun to watch people blast the PD or other local media for horrible journalism, then completely agree with it when they write something else of similar ilk just be/c you happen to *think* it's true.

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« Reply #163 on: February 24, 2009, 04:52:14 PM »
327, Lenny Strollo was the boss of Youngstown. He flipped for the prosecution following the bungled murder attempt on Mahoning County Prosecutor Paul Gains. Joey Naples was the former mob boss who was killed by Clevelander Bobby Poghen. I don't remember if Poghen got pinched for that, but the authorities and some of his friends said he did it. And if you're hearing about mob activities in the press (such as arrests or killings), then that means something is going wrong for the mob. When all is quiet, that's when it's time to start looking under rocks and to start asking questions.

shs96, How many honest public officials do you know who make enough money to have any cash on hand, let alone $8,000 to $10,000? And if Russo or Dimora earned that money, then I'm as tall as Zydrunas and as good looking as Brad Pitt.

I'm familiar with who is greasing who's palms, and Russo and Dimora are as sleazy as they get.
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« Reply #164 on: February 24, 2009, 06:13:18 PM »
shs96, How many honest public officials do you know who make enough money to have any cash on hand, let alone $8,000 to $10,000? And if Russo or Dimora earned that money, then I'm as tall as Zydrunas and as good looking as Brad Pitt.

Well, I don't know how much re-doing the flooring in your basement would cost, but if someone is writing a check for a home renovation project, I would not be surprised.  A suitcase of cash...yeah.  But I am not aware of that.

But when the FBI shows up at you or your families office/house, starts making all kinds of accusations and using leading questions - i.e., you tell me what you know about this person and we'll make sure you're OK - when A) you aren't aware of any wrong doing on said person's part, and B) you don't have anything to hide yourself you start to think something fishy is going on with the reporting/investigating.  Like they are searching - using fear as their motivator - looking for someone to give them something to work with b/c they haven't been able to find anything on their own.
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« Reply #165 on: March 09, 2009, 03:09:18 PM »
I'm putting this in here because it states there are links to the county.

This is gets more strange each day.


K&D Group manager charged with bribing inspectors; case has tie to county corruption probe
Posted by Peter Krouse/Plain Dealer Reporter March 09, 2009 13:53PM

CLEVELAND — Federal prosecutors have charged Henry J. Picozzi, a superintendent and project manager for K&D Group Inc., with bribing two Cleveland housing inspectors in connection with the Stonebridge development on the West Bank of the Flats.

The inspectors are not named. One did electrical inspections. The other examined structural work.

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« Reply #166 on: March 09, 2009, 03:54:26 PM »
I had really hoped the price was higher for something like that.  Did they mention the parking garage?

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« Reply #167 on: March 10, 2009, 09:05:09 PM »
^maybe the dinners and strip club cost a lot?

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« Reply #168 on: March 11, 2009, 11:08:18 AM »
Well, everyone remember this when we're fighting over the viability of this or that consipiracy theory.  All it takes is $1000 and some strippers to get someone official to say anything you want, about something as serious as structural integrity.  It's that simple. 

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« Reply #169 on: March 11, 2009, 12:05:05 PM »
So all the inspectors did was expedite the approval process? Did they approve some sort of faulty construction or just speed up the approval process? If they only sped up the process, then maybe this is more of an indictment of the City than of K&D. The City needs to get things done quicker or else it will continue to scare off developers.

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« Reply #170 on: March 11, 2009, 02:30:40 PM »
I want to know which strip club. Not because I want to go, but because I want to see if it's one of the mobbed-up clubs. Of course, the odds are pretty good it is.....
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« Reply #171 on: March 11, 2009, 02:41:19 PM »
So all the inspectors did was expedite the approval process? Did they approve some sort of faulty construction or just speed up the approval process? If they only sped up the process, then maybe this is more of an indictment of the City than of K&D. The City needs to get things done quicker or else it will continue to scare off developers.

That is possible.  I would hold both parties accountable for bribery, though it's certainly a bigger deal for the official party.  There have been some inexplicable problems with that development... people who live there say it's not well built, and there was a specific issue with the parking spaces being illegally small.  I remember the city having no answer for how that got approved. 

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« Reply #172 on: March 11, 2009, 03:04:27 PM »
I remember the city having no answer for how that got approved. 

They must've been new to town!
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« Reply #173 on: March 12, 2009, 04:23:42 AM »
From this week's Cleveland Scene.
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She's Not Talking
New Details About The Death Of Rosemary Vinci
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« Reply #174 on: March 12, 2009, 01:52:00 PM »
...cue shocking music
“When I disagree with a rational man, I let reality be our final arbiter; if I am right, he will learn; if I am wrong, I will; one of us will win, but both will profit.” - Ayn Rand

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