Topic: Hispanic populations in Ohio's Cities

[cleveland_east99]

What is the hispanic populations in the major Ohio Cities? I am in particular interested in the mexican american populations.

Thank You

[MyTwoSense]

People I'm only going to say this ONE more time!  We're Latin - Not Hispanic!  ughhhhhhhhhh

Maybe census information?

Are you doing research or something?

[Florida Guy]

As of the 2000 Census,GR2 there were 478,403 people, 190,638 households, and 111,904 families residing in the city. The population density was 6,166.5 people per square mile (2,380.9/km˛). There were 215,856 housing units at an average density of 2,782.4 per square mile (1,074.3/km˛). The racial makeup of the city was 50.99% Black or African American, 41.49% White, 1.35% Asian, 0.30% Native American, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 3.59% from other races, and 2.24% from two or more races. 7.26% of the population was Hispanic or Latino of any race.[1] Ethnic groups include Germans (9.2%), Irish (8.2% ), Poles (4.8%), Italians (4.6%), and English (2.8%). There are also substantial communities of Hungarians, Arabs (mostly Maronite Christians and Sunni Muslims), Jews, Romanians, Czechs, Slovaks, Greeks, Ukrainians, Albanians, Croats, Serbs, Lithuanians, Slovenians, Koreans, and Han Chinese. The presence of Hungarians within the Cleveland proper was so great that the city once boasted the highest concentration of Hungarians in the world outside of Budapest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland,_Ohio

[cleveland_east99]

MyTwoSense , my appologies, I'm part mexican myself and I guess I am ignorant of the differences of the terms.

I am just interested in demographics of different cities. Doesn't Toledo have a fairly large mexican population?

Is this topic taboo on this forum? I am not trying to upset anyone.

Have a nice day.

[MayDay]

The topic isn't taboo, but obviously there are certain parts of the issue that are a little touchy.

[JDD941]

Would someone explain the correct definition of a "Latino/a" and "Hispanic"...then in the future we can all use the proper term 

[Jeffrey]

Actually this is an open question as the census counts might be undercounting the undocumented Mexican or latino immigrants. 

And, yes, Toledo is the only city in Ohio that has a true Mexican barrio as one would find in Chicago or on the West Coast (though it is small relative to those areas).

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Whats the difference between Latino & Hispanic?  Not much.

Seriously, google "Latino vs Hispanic and you get a page of hits. We could discuss this for hours.

Latino would mean a Spanish speaker from Latin America, meaning Mexico, Central America, South America and the Carribean (but where does that leave Brazil?)

Hispanic might include people from Spain, too. 

[Jeffrey]

Oh, to answer the question, 1.58% of the city is Latino.  Dayton is in Montgomery County, and 1.27% of the county population is Latino.

So, not many at all in this area, by census count.

[mrnyc]

And, yes, Toledo is the only city in Ohio that has a true Mexican barrio as one would find in Chicago or on the West Coast (though it is small relative to those areas)/

totally incorrect. although often forgotten, lorain's is much older and larger. certainly per capita it is, lorain is by far ohio's most ethnically diverse city thanks in large part to it's pr/mex population. the key census stat for lorain is that you have a 1 in 4 chance of seeing someone who doesn't look like you, which is unmatched in the rest of ohio and much of the usa as well.

the whole "latino/hispanic" term issue is best left to the hispanic/latinos to dicker over. hispanic was an early term used by the census (ie., the government) and latino is a newer term that came out of the communities. thats all i know or care, either are preferred by various groups, so imo its best just change over to "historic country of family origin" on the census someday if anything rather than try to define such a ridiculously silly concept as "race" so definitively.

[MyTwoSense]

MyTwoSense , my appologies, I'm part mexican myself and I guess I am ignorant of the differences of the terms.

I am just interested in demographics of different cities. Doesn't Toledo have a fairly large mexican population?

Is this topic taboo on this forum? I am not trying to upset anyone.

Have a nice day.

No worries, now I know why you used the "h" word.

And, yes, Toledo is the only city in Ohio that has a true Mexican barrio as one would find in Chicago or on the West Coast (though it is small relative to those areas)/

totally incorrect. although often forgotten, lorain's is much older and larger. certainly per capita it is, lorain is by far ohio's most ethnically diverse city thanks in large part to it's pr/mex population. the key census stat for lorain is that you have a 1 in 4 chance of seeing someone who doesn't look like you, which is unmatched in the rest of ohio and much of the usa as well.

the whole "latino/hispanic" term issue is best left to the hispanic/latinos to dicker over. hispanic was an early term used by the census (ie., the government) and latino is a newer term that came out of the communities. thats all i know or care, either are preferred by various groups, so imo its best just change over to "historic country of family origin" on the census someday if anything rather than try to define such a ridiculously silly concept as "race" so definitively.

good Catch MrNYC, Lorain has a large Latino, predominately Puerto Rican population.

 

Actually this is an open question as the census counts might be undercounting the undocumented Mexican or latino immigrants. 

And, yes, Toledo is the only city in Ohio that has a true Mexican barrio as one would find in Chicago or on the West Coast (though it is small relative to those areas).

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Whats the difference between Latino & Hispanic?  Not much.

Seriously, google "Latino vs Hispanic and you get a page of hits. We could discuss this for hours.

Latino would mean a Spanish speaker from Latin America, meaning Mexico, Central America, South America and the Carribean (but where does that leave Brazil?)

Hispanic might include people from Spain, too. 

In my experience, most Caribbean and S. American countries use Latino including Panama.  Most Central American countries use "Hispanic".  East Coast/S. East - Latino, West Coast/S. West - Hispanic.  In the midwest it could go either way.  I just know growing up, my Grand Parents always used "Latino". Although my mom's older brother always say "Puerto Rico, from x city) I'm guess he says that becasue he was a married adult, when they came to Cleveland.

Brazilians are Latino, it's just that there national language is Portuguese.

No person form Portugal or Spain would refer to them self as Latino.  They would say "Spanish", "Portuguese" and to a lesser extent "European".

In many "Latino" homes, some people say they are "Spanish"  (a typical Spanglish term) in place of "Latino" or their nationality, which annoys Spaniards.  They do not think we should use that word since we are not "Spanish". 

[JDD941]

My other half is Spanish and Peruvian...she speaks "proper" Spanish (according to her) and identifies her heritage as Spanish....SUCH an elitist!!!  lol

[X]

Wouldn't "Latin" indicate Roman descent?  Sorry, but it seems to be appropriating someone else's culture.

[3231]

My other half is Spanish and Peruvian...she speaks "proper" Spanish (according to her) and identifies her heritage as Spanish....SUCH an elitist!!!  lol

From where in Peru is she? I lived there for two years.

[Mov2Ohio]

^^No, because Latin was only a language that was part of Roman culture. Latin is sometimes used as an umbrella term for cultures that may have origins in Portugal, Spain, Italy or Romania and of course languages evolved from The latin language. I believe.

[Florida Guy]

Living in a state with one of the largest Latino populations, most here use:

Central & South America, Latino
Spain, Spanish

Generally the term Hispanic is not used because some find it offensive.

[KJP]

Oh how do we get into these discussions.... The guy asked a question about Ohio cities and to what extent the ethnic group was represented in them. He's a new poster. Help him out. Don't scare him out.

[X]

^^No, because Latin was only a language that was part of Roman culture. Latin is sometimes used as an umbrella term for cultures that may have origins in Portugal, Spain, Italy or Romania and of course languages evolved from The latin language. I believe.

Actually, Latin was the people as well.  Rome was a Latin city state.  It is still an Italian province, Lazio.

Even by the standard of saying that a Latin(o/a) is someone from a country with a Latin derived language, it is a problematic designation.  Are the Quebecois Latin(o/a)?  Italian Americans?  Romanians?

[Mov2Ohio]

^^No, because Latin was only a language that was part of Roman culture. Latin is sometimes used as an umbrella term for cultures that may have origins in Portugal, Spain, Italy or Romania and of course languages evolved from The latin language. I believe.

Actually, Latin was the people as well.  Rome was a Latin city state.  It is still an Italian province, Lazio.

Even by the standard of saying that a Latin(o/a) is someone from a country with a Latin derived language, it is a problematic designation.  Are the Quebecois Latin(o/a)?  Italian Americans?  Romanians?

True, it gets a little hairy especially when you add the French (and their cultural descendants) into the equation. We still have some anomallies as to what we should call certain races. For instance, if you are from Africa and move to the US, Are you African-American no matter what your race (I know several white African-Americans)? If that's true then how are blacks born in America, African-America? Its all messed up.

[Florida Guy]

Cleveland 7.26%
Youngstown 5.00%
Toledo 5.47%
Columbus 2.46%
Dayton 1.58%
Cincinnati 1.28%
Akron 1.16%

(Desperately tries to steer the thread back on topic)

[East_Side_Brian]

Painesville in Lake County and Ashtabula City in Ashtabula County both have pretty significant latino populations. Painesville is particularly mexican and ashtabula is split between mexicans and puerto ricans.
And on the 'off-topic' topic, I once saw a map of the "Latin World" from the begining of the 20th century and it included the Philippines and Western Sahara
And on another note, hispanophone is the term used for people or cultures that speak spanish.

[StrapHanger]

^^No, because Latin was only a language that was part of Roman culture. Latin is sometimes used as an umbrella term for cultures that may have origins in Portugal, Spain, Italy or Romania and of course languages evolved from The latin language. I believe.

Actually, Latin was the people as well.  Rome was a Latin city state.  It is still an Italian province, Lazio.

Even by the standard of saying that a Latin(o/a) is someone from a country with a Latin derived language, it is a problematic designation.  Are the Quebecois Latin(o/a)?  Italian Americans?  Romanians?

I think "Latin" in this sense comes from the use of "Latin America" to describe all of the Americas that were not Anglo-colonized.  Regardless of it's origins, "latin" is a very common way to describe things/people of Mexican/Central American/South American origin- I don't think there is any confusion with the language/culture of the Roman empire.  I guess 400 years ago "Latin" might have picked up Quebec, but people probably don't mean to today.  I suspect lots of people don't mean to pick up Brazil either, but there doesn't seem to be much consensus on that one.

[8ShadesofGray]

I was always under the impression that Hispanic was disfavored by many people of Central and Southern American heritage because it emphasizes the role of Spain in their culture as an infiltrator, rather than that of the indigenous populations that existed there for millenia before. I think these difficulties exist for just about any population group you can think of ... Aboriginal v. Native American v. American Indian v. Indian, Asian American not necessarily being applied to central and northern Asian emigrants, African American v. African emigrants to any other area of the world (e.g. African-Canadian?). It's a fascinating topic (though admittedly not the topic of this thread) ... I wonder if anyone's truly happy with their ethnic/racial classifications.

[westakron1]

Lorain 21%

[mrnyc]

just to muddy the mix, many tend to refer to all the romance language speakers, portugal, spain, france and italy as latins as well.

[X]

I was always under the impression that Hispanic was disfavored by many people of Central and Southern American heritage because it emphasizes the role of Spain in their culture as an infiltrator, rather than that of the indigenous populations that existed there for millenia before.

And Latin(o/a) doesn't?

[LovesIt]

Cincy is seriously only 1.28%?

[8ShadesofGray]

And Latin(o/a) doesn't?

My impression was that the distinction is that Hispanic references the conquistadors' home country of Spain, while the term Latino is derived from Latin America, which of course, is itself derived from that influence. But the second term at least pays homage to home countries and home continents, rather than having no tie whatsoever to the people it is describing. I'm definitely not a scholar on this topic, so I could be totally off base, but this was my understanding.

[JDD941]

3231....off topic for a second..Father Lima, Peru..Mother Leon, Spain...the other half grew up in Queens..( and a little in St. Croix and Vienna)    feel free to GET BACK ON TOPIC!  lol

[Florida Guy]

Cincy is seriously only 1.28%?

I'm not surprised but I find Akron's 1.16% surprising.

[westakron1]

Cincy is seriously only 1.28%?

I'm not surprised but I find Akron's 1.16% surprising.

It's grown some since the 2000 census. There are a couple of neighborhoods that I personally know of that now have sizable Latino populations including the Bodegas.

[JDD941]

^ any upscale (or descent) latin dance clubs in Akron?  (restaurants as well?)  I tried looking online the other day and could find nothig at all...

[westakron1]

^ any upscale (or descent) latin dance clubs in Akron?  (restaurants as well?)  I tried looking online the other day and could find nothig at all...

Not that I know of....I know that there's a club downtown that has a "latin" night with Reggaeton, Salsa, Merengue..etc. I don't know the name though.

[Cincinnatus]

Cincy is seriously only 1.28%?

Believe or not, most of our noticeable hispanic population is in the Tri-County area which is north of the city and in NOKY areas, which would be outside city limits.


I think it's a geographical thing ... Where I used to live in Mississippi, they used to have a large hispanic population.

[dmerkow]

Cincinnati hasn't done serious immigration from outside the country since pre-WWI and that was small compared to the Great Lakes.

[UncleRando]

Cincy is seriously only 1.28%?

Believe or not, most of our noticeable hispanic population is in the Tri-County area which is north of the city and in NOKY areas, which would be outside city limits.


I think it's a geographical thing ... Where I used to live in Mississippi, they used to have a large hispanic population.

This is true, but still doesn't make up for the difference you see between Cincy and the other cities.  I would venture to say that it would push Cincy closer to the 3%-3.5% range.

[MyTwoSense]

My other half is Spanish and Peruvian...she speaks "proper" Spanish (according to her) and identifies her heritage as Spanish....SUCH an elitist!!!  lol

You two are "back together"?  I swear you two are "on again", "off again", "on again" more than any couple I know!  Hey, I can't knock it.  Whatever works for you!

^^No, because Latin was only a language that was part of Roman culture. Latin is sometimes used as an umbrella term for cultures that may have origins in Portugal, Spain, Italy or Romania and of course languages evolved from The latin language. I believe.

Yes the Latin "romance" languages link us together.  However, we're talking about a cultural perspective not a nationality.