Author Topic: Cincinnati: Hyde Park: The Residences at 2801 Erie Avenue (Read 16658 times)

The_Cincinnati_Kid · « **on:** September 26, 2007, 02:54:28 AM »

13 condos, 2,000 - 4,0000 s.f.

Here is the website: http://www.2801erie.com/

atlas · « **Reply #1 on:** September 26, 2007, 03:03:09 AM »

looks like 4 of them are already sold.

UncleRando · « **Reply #2 on:** September 26, 2007, 03:46:56 AM »

I like the design...modernism done right, imo.

PhattyNati · « **Reply #3 on:** September 26, 2007, 05:10:49 AM »

yeah that looks pretty slick. hopefully it isnt overwealming

ink · « **Reply #4 on:** September 26, 2007, 06:20:45 AM »

Quote from: UncleRando on September 26, 2007, 03:46:56 AM

modernism done right

Oxymoron.

David · « **Reply #5 on:** September 26, 2007, 06:42:07 AM »

Quote from: UncleRando on September 26, 2007, 03:46:56 AM

I like the design...modernism done right, imo.

Agreed. It definitely looks high quality. Not surprised to see that Bloomfield Schon and Jose Garcia are involved. They're also developing the American Can factory :p

buildingcincinnati · « **Reply #6 on:** October 20, 2007, 04:33:57 AM »

Tree-clearing for 2801 Erie
Building Cincinnati, 10/17/07

Trees are being cleared for the 2801 Erie condo project at Erie and Shaw avenues in Hyde Park.

Bloomfield, Schon & Partners is planning a modern-styled, four-story condo building with 13 units and underground parking.

The $10 million project, which was designed by architect Jose Garcia, fits within the multi-family zoning of the site and required no variances.

According to the project website, five of the units have been sold. Remaining units are listed for $651,575 to $1.575 million.

Three houses, built between 1900 and 1925, will be demolished.

http://www.building-cincinnati.com/2007/10/tree-clearing-for-2801-erie.html

RiverViewer · « **Reply #7 on:** October 20, 2007, 04:51:22 AM »

Holy crap! That looks very cool, but definitely not in the character of the area...a block east of the square, right? Wow...I don't know what I think about that...

Jimmy_James · « **Reply #8 on:** October 20, 2007, 05:15:05 AM »

Quote from: RiverViewer on October 20, 2007, 04:51:22 AM

Holy crap! That looks very cool, but definitely not in the character of the area...a block east of the square, right? Wow...I don't know what I think about that...

I'm right there with ya. It definitely looks cool, but I'm not sure that it goes with the neighborhood. I'd probably be more excited if it were on empty lots, but I hate to see 100-year-old buildings destroyed needlessly. Does anyone know if those are extremely run down or just "in the way"? I'm not in Hyde Park that often and I'm having a hard time envisioning that particular location.

edale · « **Reply #9 on:** October 20, 2007, 05:44:51 AM »

In a weird way, I actually think this will look very cool in that location. Adding some moderninity to the Hyde Park landscape could really help with creating a feeling of coolness around the Square, which HP sometimes lacks a little. Think about what Beluga does for the other side of the Square...

David · « **Reply #10 on:** October 20, 2007, 07:32:43 AM »

Quote from: Jimmy_James on October 20, 2007, 05:15:05 AM

Quote from: RiverViewer on October 20, 2007, 04:51:22 AM
Holy crap! That looks very cool, but definitely not in the character of the area...a block east of the square, right? Wow...I don't know what I think about that...

I'm right there with ya. It definitely looks cool, but I'm not sure that it goes with the neighborhood. I'd probably be more excited if it were on empty lots, but I hate to see 100-year-old buildings destroyed needlessly. Does anyone know if those are extremely run down or just "in the way"? I'm not in Hyde Park that often and I'm having a hard time envisioning that particular location.

Hyde Park seems to get a lot of infill that isn't really in context but I like the diversity. It's becoming a pretty dynamic neighborhood even though I'm not too fond of the kind of people that live there. The worst thing I've seen is a mansion built right in front of another one on the same lot, on Observatory. It looks so confusing. I thought that maybe it was a bank in front of a house. That was the ultimate false step.

MyTwoSense · « **Reply #11 on:** October 20, 2007, 08:12:40 AM »

Nice exterior. Not sure I like the floor plans but its a nice project otherwise.

Jimmy_James · « **Reply #12 on:** October 20, 2007, 08:18:34 AM »

Quote from: David on October 20, 2007, 07:32:43 AM

The worst thing I've seen is a mansion built right in front of another one on the same lot, on Observatory. It looks so confusing. I thought that maybe it was a bank in front of a house. That was the ultimate false step.

If I'm not mistaken, there was a big dust up about that when it was built. If it's the same place that I'm thinking of, the rest of the neighborhood was none too pleased.

The_Cincinnati_Kid · « **Reply #13 on:** October 20, 2007, 08:33:08 AM »

Quote

The worst thing I've seen is a mansion built right in front of another one on the same lot, on Observatory. It looks so confusing. I thought that maybe it was a bank in front of a house. That was the ultimate false step.

If I'm not mistaken, there was a big dust up about that when it was built. If it's the same place that I'm thinking of, the rest of the neighborhood was none too pleased.

Indeed, it even spurred a change in the zoning code. The builder/developer built within the existing code and permitting, but it of course looks ridiculous. The code has now been amended to a more flexible one that relies on average distances of houses adjacent (or possibly two on each side) to the proposed construction to keep the setbacks more uniform.

CiNYC · « **Reply #14 on:** October 20, 2007, 11:03:33 PM »

There are thousands of buildings that look(ed) exactly like that rendering rotting away in Florida, SoCal, and elsewhere. I like the idea of new archicecture in Hyde Park, but this is uninspired schlock. If the outspoken community doesn't object now, they will 10 years from now.

ugly.

prolix · « **Reply #15 on:** October 21, 2007, 10:40:31 AM »

do we really need more half million dollar + condos? is that all developers can build anymore?

building does look cool, but its beyond me how people are affording this stuff being built around town. would be nice if the rest of us could afford to buy into one of these projects

UncleRando · « **Reply #16 on:** October 21, 2007, 10:51:28 AM »

^That would be nice...but with the value of land in Hyde Park, Downtown, Mt. Adams and other attractive areas developers either can build these projects with $500,000 and up units or they would have to get a lot more density and build a lot more units to get the bang for their buck. Unfortunately the US only likes to subsidize housing for the middle-class out in the 'burbs.

Htsguy · « **Reply #17 on:** October 21, 2007, 02:01:02 PM »

David...What "kind of people" live in Hyde Park (I am a Clevelander and don't understand your reference).

moonloop · « **Reply #18 on:** October 21, 2007, 02:34:58 PM »

^People who aren't a tax burden. David doesn't like those types living in the city.

David · « **Reply #19 on:** October 21, 2007, 03:16:30 PM »

Quote from: moonloop on October 21, 2007, 02:34:58 PM

^People who aren't a tax burden. David doesn't like those types living in the city.

Not everyone in HP is a total snob yuppie but it has a fair share. Far worse than any other east side neighborhood including Mt. Adams when it comes to that, in my opinion. I love the restaurants and stores in HP, it's a fun neighborhood to walk around, it's just not where I'd permanently want to live and it has too many people who I wouldn't want to be surrounded by. I have nothing against upper class people, it's not about wealth; I admire most of them because people usually work damn hard to get where they are. I just don't like elitism.

I'm glad you're already aware of how much I hate economic development inside the city. All that new development in C-T, East End, OTR, Clifton Heights and Northside just depesses me. I think I need a Xanax now.

I think it was in one of those Images of America books or something where I read that you had to be approved by a committee to even live there, in the early 1900s. That type of elitism carries on today, but in the form of 350k bland farmhouses that have vinyl siding and kitchens stuck in the 1950s.

I mean look at this:

$499,900
3 Bed, 2 Bath

Amazing what some people are trying to get out of their houses.

Btw, Knickers "of" Hyde Park gets broken into and robbed frequently but probably it's not something you'll hear about on the news.

Sherman Cahal · « **Reply #20 on:** October 21, 2007, 03:39:14 PM »

I agree with David here.

A great neighborhood needs a diverse mix of incomes. It does not necessairly need to be an equal proportion of low-, middle- and high-income tenants and residents, as that could lower property values and destabilize a great development project. But a healthy mix of middle-, upper-middle and high-income tenants and residents would ensure that a viable commercial district nearby can prosper. In other words, a district not filled with Starbucks, high-end restaurants and art galleries, but one filled with Starbucks, Kroger's, and etc.

moonloop · « **Reply #21 on:** October 22, 2007, 05:28:36 AM »

There seems to be a lot of harping on upscale neighborhoods in the city and I don't get it. Really, out of 52 neighborhoods, maybe 6 or 7 could be classified as upscale at most. The city needs more not less of these types of neighborhoods. There will still be plenty of neighborhoods where lower income people can live. There seems to be a faulty logical that whenever there's an upscale development, it must cater to all incomes.

What purpose to you think the streetcar running through OTR is trying to achieve? It's not to attract low income families. I'm sure in due time there will be complaints that low-income people are being run off a cliff. CityBeat, The Beacon, and David will all be ready to pounce.

atlas · « **Reply #22 on:** October 22, 2007, 05:52:33 AM »

no, we need diversity when and where we can get it. This city is certainly too polarized economically a sis the rest of the country. Its obvious and known that if poverty is concentrated, effects resulting from that magnify. The streetcars can and could bring diverse incomes together. Public transit is cheap and affordable and desirable for young professionals as well as the lower income residents.

moonloop · « **Reply #23 on:** October 22, 2007, 06:41:44 AM »

Bloomfield/Schon website has some more images. http://www.bloomfieldschon.com/ Go to projects/2801 Eric Ave. It Flash so I can't upload. I like the project, of course.

David · « **Reply #24 on:** October 22, 2007, 07:05:03 AM »

Quote from: moonloop on October 22, 2007, 05:28:36 AM

There seems to be a lot of harping on upscale neighborhoods in the city and I don't get it. Really, out of 52 neighborhoods, maybe 6 or 7 could be classified as upscale at most. The city needs more not less of these types of neighborhoods. There will still be plenty of neighborhoods where lower income people can live. There seems to be a faulty logical that whenever there's an upscale development, it must cater to all incomes.

What purpose to you think the streetcar running through OTR is trying to achieve? It's not to attract low income families. I'm sure in due time there will be complaints that low-income people are being run off a cliff. CityBeat, The Beacon, and David will all be ready to pounce.

When the hell do I pounce new urban development? Did I not COMPLIMENT the building? I said I don't like the people in HP (generalization, yes but HP is about as bad as it gets when it comes to the qualities I don't like). HPs population gets younger and younger as the real estate value continues to go up; why? I don't think it makes sense for someone right out of college to be house broke. I just don't have any respect for the yuppie mindset. New construction and a lot of rehabs are inherently expensive and I'm glad that is what's happening in Cincinnati. Hey if you have the money, go for it. If you have the money. I'm not anti-development, I would just like to see poverty more dispersed. There has to be a balance between making money and not doing what's detrimental to disadvantaged and disabled people who need to live near where they work and shop. I want to see OTR gentrify but not to the point where poor folks are kicked out. I believe there's plenty of room for growth in OTR and other Cincinnati neighborhoods without that happening. I just think there should be a balance. With gov't subsidies like Hope VI and TIFs it's entirely possible.

Maybe you should read an urban planning book. There's a lot more to development than the building itself.

The street car will attract upper class people and Im glad it will, but it's going to be most beneficial for those who have no option other than public transit.

RiverViewer · « **Reply #25 on:** October 22, 2007, 07:44:06 AM »

Quote from: David on October 22, 2007, 07:05:03 AM

I just think there should be a balance.

Amen...

Quote from: David on October 22, 2007, 07:05:03 AM

The street car will attract upper class people and Im glad it will, but it's going to be most beneficial for those who have no option other than public transit.

...and amen!

Public transit and parks - among the most progressivist policies there are!

nasdun · « **Reply #26 on:** October 22, 2007, 07:59:14 AM »

Moonloop - thanks for the heads up on the Bloomfield/Schon website (http://www.bloomfieldschon.com). I was able to get the images from there and post them below.

Image from Bloomfield/Schon website

thomasbw · « **Reply #27 on:** October 22, 2007, 08:31:30 AM »

"timeless contemporary architecture"

Jimmy_James · « **Reply #28 on:** October 22, 2007, 09:49:53 AM »

I think I may have done a 180 on this thing. I liked it a lot at first, but in those new images the structure just reminds me of a parking garage. Sign me up for something a bit more conventional. I guess I'm officially lame now.

David · « **Reply #29 on:** October 22, 2007, 03:30:54 PM »

Quote from: RiverViewer on October 22, 2007, 07:44:06 AM

Quote from: David on October 22, 2007, 07:05:03 AM
I just think there should be a balance.

Amen...

Quote from: David on October 22, 2007, 07:05:03 AM
The street car will attract upper class people and Im glad it will, but it's going to be most beneficial for those who have no option other than public transit.

...and amen!

Public transit and parks - among the most progressivist policies there are!

You and your parks!!

UncleRando · « **Reply #30 on:** October 23, 2007, 03:11:57 AM »

These kinds of units aren't widely available in Cincinnati, so I welcome the addition.

prolix · « **Reply #31 on:** October 26, 2007, 08:14:29 AM »

the new renderings are pretty amazing looking.

my previous comments weren't to say that this development wasn't wanted. if anything, i'm jealous b/c i can't afford to live there! i live in mariemont, which is extremely nice, but i just see all these new condo's and i wonder where the money is coming from. yeah, we want high scale developments, but from all the stuff being built it just seems like we're building on one end of the scale, and not much else. its like if you can't afford 400k+, you have to look elsewhere. i know a few dip under that scale (parker flats, etc), but not many do

UncleRando · « **Reply #32 on:** October 26, 2007, 10:23:51 AM »

Quote from: prolix on October 26, 2007, 08:14:29 AM

yeah, we want high scale developments, but from all the stuff being built it just seems like we're building on one end of the scale, and not much else. its like if you can't afford 400k+, you have to look elsewhere. i know a few dip under that scale (parker flats, etc), but not many do

I couldn't agree with you more...the real estate investors out there will tell you that the market will correct itself though. I guess it just needs some time.

edale · « **Reply #33 on:** October 27, 2007, 05:20:17 AM »

^this trend is happening nationwide, though. The suburbs are building the cheaper housing, and the city is becoming the place where people with money live. See: San Francisco, Chicago, Washington DC, New York, etc.

beachkbk · « **Reply #34 on:** October 29, 2007, 04:13:39 PM »

^ See: London, Paris, Berlin,...

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Author Topic: Cincinnati: Hyde Park: The Residences at 2801 Erie Avenue (Read 16658 times)