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Re: Living Car Free
« Reply #420 on: May 02, 2012, 02:34:14 PM »
OMG I would love to see old folks rollerskating through my neighborhood.

There is a whole posse of old folks they hang with.  They play Tennis three times a week, they swim twice a week, they run (ok walk fast), roller skate, play volleyball and bike.  They are a hot mess.
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« Reply #421 on: May 03, 2012, 12:21:20 PM »
Hell no, I'd never cook again if my meals were covered. That was one of the best things about college -- never having to keep a bunch of food around or having to eat the same things over and over again to keep from having to throw a bunch of food out.
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Re: Living Car Free
« Reply #422 on: May 07, 2012, 11:50:16 PM »
Everytime I think about getting a new car....I want one eventually.....I stop when I receive this bill:



$17.25 which includes gas, insurance, unlimited miles, and tolls is pretty damn cheap for an evening in the suburbs.  That's all the time I needed it for that month. 
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« Reply #423 on: May 08, 2012, 07:32:04 AM »
Roughly how long of a drive was that for each instance?
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« Reply #424 on: May 08, 2012, 11:21:25 AM »
^ It says 57 miles total. So break that into 3 trips. My guess is one trip was about 25 miles, the others about 16 each? Roughly...
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« Reply #425 on: May 08, 2012, 11:52:23 AM »
Well, the intervention was unsuccessful.  We were moving them from one unit in the complex to another, and grandpa freaked out because the unit they were moving to was a mirrored floor plan from what he thought he was getting.  This set him off and he never returned to earth.

So the bottom line is he still has his car and will continue to roam the area until something happens. 

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« Reply #426 on: May 08, 2012, 11:57:33 AM »
We were moving them from one unit in the complex to another, and grandpa freaked out because the unit they were moving to was a mirrored floor plan from what he thought he was getting.

How do you expect him to live his life backwards?!
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« Reply #427 on: May 08, 2012, 11:57:51 AM »
^ It says 57 miles total. So break that into 3 trips. My guess is one trip was about 25 miles, the others about 16 each? Roughly...

Sorry, I missed seeing the distance in the invoice. Thanks.
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« Reply #428 on: May 09, 2012, 07:51:49 PM »
My bad.  Total trip was 57 miles, roughly 28 miles in each direction.  The trips listed under adjustments are I-Pass / EZ-Pass checkpoints.  When I passed under the gantry the tollway authority bills the carsharing service, and they then bill me. 

My trip used approximately 2 gallons of gas since much of it was city driving.  Gas runs around $4.50-$4.90 / gallon here in Chicago...so nearly half of my bill covered gas...then there was tolls.  That leaves $6 left for the cost of insurance and just being able to drive the car. 

Considering time, money, and convenience there's no other transportation alternative in existence that is comparable to reach remote destinations.  Keep in mind, my only other alternatives were bus, taxi, or conventional rental services like enterprise.   And obviously those are either expensive or require alot of time.

......Of course, I could always borrow a friend's car nearby.  But that's risky, and you have to work with their schedule.
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Re: Living Car Free
« Reply #429 on: May 10, 2012, 10:20:24 AM »
I wish we had something like igo in Dayton.  If they did I would give up my car.

Would a car-share thing work for longer distance trips...like down to Cincy or Louisville?  Right now I'm limited to the car rental places...tho the Avis place downtown is a great convient place to rent cars.


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« Reply #430 on: May 10, 2012, 04:38:49 PM »
I wish we had something like igo in Dayton.  If they did I would give up my car.

Would a car-share thing work for longer distance trips...like down to Cincy or Louisville?  Right now I'm limited to the car rental places...tho the Avis place downtown is a great convient place to rent cars.



There are mileage limits, but if you go over the limit they charge a fee.  With Zipcar it's $.45/mile.  Factoring in gas and insurance, it sometimes works out to take Zipcar over other rental companies.

 I took a Zipcar from Milwaukee to Cincinnati and back.  4 day rental was $280 and included 720 miles.  The trip was 800 miles.  80 miles * $.45/mile = $36.    That's $316 total.    The cheapest rental from Hertz is $294 PLUS gas.  No contest there.
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« Reply #431 on: May 10, 2012, 10:55:07 PM »
They charge high fees for day rentals.  The intention of the service is for short trips and they discourage long term rentals.  Like zipcar, they start running the mileage counter after 180 miles.

I use enterprise for long trips, and always from a neighborhood location.  For some reason it tends to be cheaper.  Base price is usually $25/day.  Then Taxes add $8.  Then the insurance your credit card doesn't cover is $15 (since I don't own a car).  So it's close to $50 / day without gas.  igo's rate is $60 with gas.  So it's an ok deal if you're just driving around the suburbs or something.  But a long trip is probably not worth it. 

The only time I ever rent cars is to go to Ohio actually!  I'll ask for a prius and was able to do a round trip from Chicago to Cincy for $55 in gas....and that's when prices had peaked this year.
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« Reply #432 on: May 12, 2012, 11:27:57 AM »
Enterprise has worked out well for me and my buddies for long trips back when we only had big ass trucks and needed something easier on gas. But we did have to select a location that would let us take the car out of the area. Not all of them would let us do it. We always told them ahead of time that we'd be taking the car out of the region they specified (for Cincinnati it was the Tri-State -- not sure if that meant we could drive it from Ashtabula to Paducah or had to stay in the Cincy metro). This was a few years back, so I may not be up on current policy. Since several of us now have small sports cars, we'd go back to them for small cars that have more interior space for long trips.

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Re: Living Car Free
« Reply #433 on: May 12, 2012, 02:00:41 PM »
When I didn't have a car and rented from Enterprise, I would always reserve a compact, but often they didn't have one when Friday rolled around, and once I ended up with a Chevy Silverado King Cab.  Fueling up at a country gas station, the country boys looked at me with the deepest envy I've ever experienced.  Seriously, I can't believe that pickup trucks really mean that much to people. 

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« Reply #434 on: May 12, 2012, 02:51:51 PM »
New trucks bore me, but old trucks without all those stupid "features" have lots of character. Basically, trucks from back when people who actually needed trucks bought them. Oh, and the old school monster trucks that were real trucks with vikings airbrushed on the sides:

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« Reply #435 on: July 30, 2012, 02:26:25 PM »

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Hah!  So I'm not the only one who's notice the 'pick-up truck bloat'!


 

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Re: Living Car Free
« Reply #436 on: November 19, 2012, 08:36:31 PM »
Figured I'd bump this thread now that there are 2 new Zipcars outside my place at 12th & Vine.

Looks as though there are two locations in the CBD & 1 in OTR. I've been at free for 6 months and this is going to be awesome.

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« Reply #437 on: November 20, 2012, 01:05:24 AM »
Fueling up at a country gas station, the country boys looked at me with the deepest envy I've ever experienced.  Seriously, I can't believe that pickup trucks really mean that much to people. 

First time I've seen this. That's hilarious. And what a contradiction in values.... You, who apparently held the car in such relatively low esteem that you didn't own one. They, who held motor vehicles in such high esteem that they almost tripped over their tongues at the sight of "your" vehicle. If only those good ol' boys knew the truth.

Since I view all the world as my own personal test tube, I would have been tempted to see their reaction upon telling them "Sorry boys, not only is this not my truck, but I don't own any vehicle at all. In fact I can't stand these friggin' things and the clod-kicking morons who usually drive them."

Wonder what them thar fellas woulda thunk about that??
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« Reply #438 on: July 20, 2014, 07:28:40 PM »
We did a recent four-part article on locals who go car-free in Columbus to find out how they do it, why they do it, and whether or not they're planning to get a car in the future. Long story short, most people have said that it's gotten much easier to go car-free in Columbus with new services from car2go, CoGo Bike Share, CBUS Circulator, Uber, Lyft, COTA upgrade and cycling infrastructure updates.

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Part 2 - Getting Started: http://www.columbusunderground.com/car-free-in-columbus-part-2-getting-around

Part 3 - The Challenges: http://www.columbusunderground.com/car-free-in-columbus-part-3-the-challenges

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« Reply #439 on: July 21, 2014, 01:53:09 AM »
That was a pretty good idea for a series.  I moved out of Columbus in 2007 and anecdotally it certainly seems to me that bicycling has increased exponentially in popularity there.  As for how many of those people are also car-free, I don't know. 

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« Reply #440 on: July 21, 2014, 09:14:36 PM »
That was a pretty good idea for a series.  I moved out of Columbus in 2007 and anecdotally it certainly seems to me that bicycling has increased exponentially in popularity there.  As for how many of those people are also car-free, I don't know.

Speaking for myself… my wife and I have been a one-car household since we first started dating in 2001. She came to college (OSU) with no car, and I came to Columbus with one, so we immediately became a couple with one car between the two of us.

Eventually we got married, bought a house and started having kids (two of em). And we've yet to find a reason to add another car.

We've been pretty frequent bus riders for the past 6 or 7 years and often used it as our "secondary vehicle". We kind of gave up the bikes when our kids were born. Just didn't seem practical with a baby or two.

When CoGo Bike Share launched last year I picked up a $75 annual membership and began using it. I found it fun to get back on a bike after a hiatus. After 3 months of that I figured it would be worthwhile to have an old bike in my basement tuned up and started riding it again too.

And then last fall, car2go launched and we got a membership for that.

So… we're not exactly car-free, but I'd say we're pretty "car-light". We only work a little over a mile from home, and most of our day-to-day activities occur within a 1 or 2 mile radius. It's nice to have our own car when we need to make a trip to Lowe's or Target for a bulk-buy, but it's also very easy to leave it parked in the driveway all week without ever needing it, which is often the case. It's definitely gotten easy to do that in recent years.
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« Reply #441 on: July 21, 2014, 10:17:12 PM »
Great real-world tales of the low-mileage lifestyle, Walker. The more that can be done to help demystify it and erode fears, the better. Keep up the great work!
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« Reply #442 on: February 04, 2015, 04:18:34 PM »


70 American Cities Ranked Based on Access to Uber and Other Car-Free Options
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The facts are indisputable: Americans are driving less and car ownership is down, especially among younger people. A plethora of transportation options has come online in recent years: car-sharing, ride-sharing, bike-sharing, new taxi services and improved public transit. And while navigating these options has been daunting in the past, new technology-based tools and smartphone apps have been developed to make it easier.

A new report from U.S. PIRG and Frontier Group, The Innovative Transportation Index, explores the range of available options for accessing alternatives to car ownership and reveals the cities where these technologies and tools make not owning a car a more attractive option.

“Technology is fueling a revolution in transportation,” the report says. “Rapid technological advances have enabled the creation of new transportation tools that make it possible for more Americans to live full and engaged lives without owning a car. Many of these new tools have been in existence for less than a decade—some for less than five years—but they have spread rapidly to cities across the United States.”

The report looked at 11 technology-based transportation services and 70 cities. It found that 19 cities with a combined population of nearly 28 million have access to at least eight of the 11, and other cities are rapidly joining them.

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Re: Living Car Free
« Reply #443 on: February 04, 2015, 04:39:34 PM »
Interesting study. I was reading this earlier today. Here is a cut out of the full rankings comparing Cleveland (#24) to Columbus (#13).



Cleveland could really use car sharing. Also, we unfairly get credit for having bike share, but I'm sorry, Zagster isn't real bike share. Also, the chart says Moovit and Transit Authority (not sure what that one is) use real time data. I was skeptical of this, so I tested it out during my lunch break on the HealthLine and other buses...and let's just say it wasn't "real time."
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« Reply #444 on: February 04, 2015, 05:03:07 PM »
Ugh! Cincinnati isn't even on there.  Sigh.

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« Reply #445 on: February 04, 2015, 05:10:56 PM »
Ugh! Cincinnati isn't even on there.  Sigh.

Sorry that's my fault. Cincy is number 32. I don't know how they scored below Cleveland though. Here's the link to the full report: http://www.uspirg.org/sites/pirg/files/reports/Innovative_Transportation_Index_USPIRG.pdf
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« Reply #446 on: February 04, 2015, 05:16:21 PM »
^^^Thanks for posting the comparison. Not sure if the study has a minimum car count or something, but Cleveland does have some Zipcar service near CSU and at University Circle: http://www.zipcar.com/csuohio

As for real-time tracking, I assume "Transit Authority" refers to RTA's own system, "NextConnect," which it just relaunched today or yesterday. I can't remember the technical limitations it suffers from, but they were dicussed in the RTA thread in the last few years, with some info from JeTdoG, IIRC.
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« Reply #447 on: February 04, 2015, 05:40:12 PM »
^^^Thanks for posting the comparison. Not sure if the study has a minimum car count or something, but Cleveland does have some Zipcar service near CSU and at University Circle: http://www.zipcar.com/csuohio

As for real-time tracking, I assume "Transit Authority" refers to RTA's own system, "NextConnect," which it just relaunched today or yesterday. I can't remember the technical limitations it suffers from, but they were dicussed in the RTA thread in the last few years, with some info from JeTdoG, IIRC.


I do use the Zipcar at CSU occasionally, but that's only because I work at CSU and it's convenient. Plus, the accounts are through CSU and CWRU exclusively, so it doesn't count as a city wide network. If you look at Zipcar's list of cities served, Cleveland isn't on there.

And that makes sense about Next Connect, which despite its update, is still FAR from user friendly.
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« Reply #448 on: February 04, 2015, 06:53:15 PM »
^Actually, I'm pretty sure those Zipcars cars can be used by any Zipcar member, just like anywhere else. I've never used them (I usually have a rental car when in town), but the site lets me reserve them without a problem with my account.  Also, on its website, Zipcar does list Cleveland as one of the city it serves: http://www.zipcar.com/cities 
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« Reply #449 on: February 04, 2015, 07:27:54 PM »
^Actually, I'm pretty sure those Zipcars cars can be used by any Zipcar member, just like anywhere else. I've never used them (I usually have a rental car when in town), but the site lets me reserve them without a problem with my account.  Also, on its website, Zipcar does list Cleveland as one of the city it serves: http://www.zipcar.com/cities

Touché haha. I should have double checked before speaking I guess, but last time I checked Cleveland wasn't listed as one of the cities and I had to enter in my CSU email in order to reserve those cars. Regardless though, the city could use a lot more Zipcar locations.
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« Reply #450 on: February 04, 2015, 07:34:35 PM »
^Yeah, I definitely agree with your bottom line. And with only a handful of cars, I can't blame that report for ignoring it. Hopefully more downtown residents take the plunge and go car free and Zipcar takes notice.
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« Reply #451 on: February 07, 2015, 11:39:55 AM »
I call BS on this study for a couple of reasons.  For me, "Car Free" means not only not owning a car, but not using one either.  Car-share only fixes one of those standards- car ownership, but you're still basically relying on a car to get you around.  Truly car-free is using public transit (buses, trains, bikes, walking), and in that measure, Columbus is going to rank way lower unfortunately.  None of them have great public transit, but Cleveland does have the most, so they should realistically be ranked higher if we're talking about being able to truly be car-free. In Columbus, you could around the High Street corridor and Downtown, but not many other places.   

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« Reply #452 on: February 07, 2015, 11:56:53 AM »
I call BS on this study for a couple of reasons.  For me, "Car Free" means not only not owning a car, but not using one either.  Car-share only fixes one of those standards- car ownership, but you're still basically relying on a car to get you around.  Truly car-free is using public transit (buses, trains, bikes, walking), and in that measure, Columbus is going to rank way lower unfortunately.  None of them have great public transit, but Cleveland does have the most, so they should realistically be ranked higher if we're talking about being able to truly be car-free. In Columbus, you could around the High Street corridor and Downtown, but not many other places.   

To be fair, this wasn't a ranking of cities that are easiest to live car-free in.  It's a ranking of cities with the most types of "innovative transportation" options.

I agree with you to a certain degree though.  My best friend and I both live car-free in Cincinnati.  He rents Zipcars a few times per week and takes Uber almost daily.  That's just crazy to me and I harass him for it all the time.  I probably rent a Zipcar once every month or so and take Uber maybe once every other week.  To me though, being "car-free" is about having the freedom to choose what mode I want to take and when.  My friend chooses to use those options WAY more than I ever will, but I still classify him as car-free.  He's not being forced to use a car all the time by owning one.
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« Reply #453 on: February 07, 2015, 12:48:32 PM »
Heard a great statistic the other day....

If you don't earn $15 per hour or more, you probably can't afford to own a car. Consider that car ownership is 25-30% of a typical household transportation costs. AAA says it costs $9,000 to own/operate a car each year.

Also, interest.com reported last year that residents in only USA city (Washington DC) had a high enough average income to afford owning a car along with their other costs of living.
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Re: Living Car Free
« Reply #454 on: February 07, 2015, 02:08:11 PM »
I call BS on this study for a couple of reasons.  For me, "Car Free" means not only not owning a car, but not using one either.  Car-share only fixes one of those standards- car ownership, but you're still basically relying on a car to get you around.  Truly car-free is using public transit (buses, trains, bikes, walking), and in that measure, Columbus is going to rank way lower unfortunately.  None of them have great public transit, but Cleveland does have the most, so they should realistically be ranked higher if we're talking about being able to truly be car-free. In Columbus, you could around the High Street corridor and Downtown, but not many other places.

I see your point but disagree with you. I think it's unrealistic to say being 'car free' means never using a car. I don't own a car, but have used Zipcar quite a few times for things like grocery shopping or for purchasing furniture items at Target or Walmart. The thought of lugging a bookshelf or television on the 81 bus back can't possibly be appealing to anyone. Even when I lived in DC (a very care free friendly city) I would still use Zipcar or Car2go for things like that. Or even if I needed to get somewhere really quickly and didn't have time to wait for the bus or Metro. Cars themselves are not the problem, but the way in which we build our cities around the use of them.
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